9 Ball Spots

[Sweet Marissa]

If the break is the same as the 7 ball than the 6 and the breaks is a better spot. That would be like getting the 6 and the 7, where the other game was just the 7 and the 8. So take the 6 and the breaks.

That made my head hurt...

 

[Jimmy M.]

for nothing Jude. JK. I know it's complex, but I'm just looking for some general guidance here. I've heard it argued that the last two is better than the eight, and vice versa. What do you think - I mean, other than you can't really answer.

The 8 is more of a spot than the last two. In order for "the last two" to ever mean anything, the player getting the spot needs to be at the table when there are only two balls left. You may have heard someone argue that but, well, they're wrong.

 

[1pRoscoe]

Giving up the break is about the same as giving up the 7-ball.

You are used to being around your "crew" a little too often....

The odds of me giving up the break and my opponent running out are much slimmer than that of the company you keep.

I'd lay a $100 on anyone in my area playing the ghost, minimum 10 games. I'll come out ahead.

So why not let them break and either:

a: come up dry
b: scratch
c: run to the 5-6 and let me finish

 

[Billy_Bob]

Here are the various terms.

Definitions of most of these terms can be found in the book "The New Illustrated Encyclopedia of Billiards" by Shamos


$1 = Jellybean
$5 = Fin
$10 = Sawbuck
$20 = Double sawbuck
$100 = Buck, C Note
$500 = Nickel
$1000 = Dime
Action -
Action Room -
Around the world -
Backer -
Bad hit -
Bank the eight/nine -
Barrels -
Betting -
Breaks -
Buck - $100
C Note - $100
Call Eight -
Cheese -
Clock -
Dime - $1000
Discount -
Dog -
Dog the Nine -
Double Cheese -
Double Discount -
Double sawbuck - $20
Dump -
Eight Safe -
Even up -
Fast -
Fin = $5
Firing/Shooting Air Barrels -
First Break -
Fish -
Five Ahead -
Flush -
Freeze up the Money (Money in the rack) -
Gambling -
Get in Gear -
Go Off -
Go-Back Game (Cramp Game) -
Grand Discount -
Handicap -
Hard Eight -
Heads Up -
Hill -
Hill-Hill -
Hold your man -
Hop the Eight -
Horse -
House Win -
Hustler -
In the Money -
Inning -
Intentional Foul -
Intentional Miss -
Jail -
Jellybean - $1
Knocker -
Last Two - (Nine-Ball)
Lay-Off -
Lemon -
To lemonade -
Let Up -
Lie Down -
Liking it -
Lock -
Locksmith (Lockup Artist) -
Lockup -
Loser Breaks -
Make -
Mark -
Marker -
Make a Game -
Matching Up -
Milk the game -
Miscue -
Money Ball -
Natural -
Natural Bank -
Nickel - $500
Nit -
Nut Artist -
Nuts -
Odds -
On -
On the Hill -
On the Wire -
Open your nose -
Out -
Pay Ball -
Pigeon -
Pool Shark -
Professional Player -
Proposition Bet -
Proposition Shot -
Psych -
Pumped Up -
Purse -
Put on the heat (Turn on the heat) -
Put the money in the rack -
Race -
Rail Bird -
Rail Marker -
Rat in -
Rattle -
Ride -
Ride the Cash -
Ring Game -
Road Player -
Road Warrior -
Roll -
Rolling the Cheese -
Round-Robin -
Royal Discount -
Rub the Wire -
Run -
Run Out -
Safety -
Safety Break -
Sandbagging -
Saver -
Sawbuck - $10
Scoop Shot -
Score String (Wire) -
Scramble -
Score -
Screw -
See - T
Sell out -
Session -
Set -
Set-Up -
Sewer -
Shake Ball -
Shake Bottle -
Shark -
Sharking -
Shortstop -
Shotmaker -
Shot Safety -
Single Elimination -
Sitter -
Six-Ahead -
Slop Shot -
Slug Rack -
Snap -
Sneaky Pete -
Snookered -
Speed -
Spit Shot - A
Spot -
Spot the Break -
Stake -
Stakehorse -
Stall -
Stand-Up -
Steer Man (Wheel Man) -
Stiff -
Stop -
Straight up -
String -
Suck -
Sucker -
Sweating the action -
Sweator -
Sweep -
Tally Ball -
Ten-game $500-freeze-out -
The table's wet -
Three-Handed-Game -
Tit -
To the Wire -
Tournament Tough -
Tout -
Treble Discount -
Wad -
Wastebasket -
Weapon -
Weight -
Wheel Man -
Wild -
Wire -
Woof -

 

[Sweet Marissa]

Here are the various terms.

Definitions of most of these terms can be found in the book "The New Illustrated Encyclopedia of Billiards" by Shamos

I don't suppose you could have just included a link or even used a smaller font, maybe use commas...

 

[Billy_Bob]

Following are just the "spots" terms. Some of these can be found here:
http://www.sfbilliards.com/jargon.html

Or in the book "The New Illustrated Encyclopedia of Billiards" by Shamos


Bank the eight/nine -
Breaks -
Call Eight -
Discount -
Double Discount -
Eight Safe -
First Break -
Go-Back Game (Cramp Game) -
Grand Discount -
Hard Eight -
Heads Up -
Hop the Eight -
Last Two - (Nine-Ball) -
Loser Breaks -
Odds -
Royal Discount -
Spot the Break -
Stop -
Treble Discount -
Wild -

 

[Guru]

Ugh

Thanks for the worthless 5 page of scroll referencing a book we don't own.

Now, back to the spots.

 

[mapman72]

Glossary Additions

I think we can add a few more courtesy of Mr. McCready this weekend in Richmond.

During one match where he was struggling, but still won 9-6, he was breaking up 8-6 and said, "Let me win this game and get the hell off of this 'box'!"

Later, against the 15yr. old from Va Beach, tied at 8-8. Keith bobbles a 7 ball and still gets it to fall. He cuts the eight in and as the cue ball starts heading for perfect shape on the nine, I hear Keith yell, "Gin, youngster!" That was classic.

 

[Sweet Marissa]

Sorry, dumbdumb. where's my pm from you.

I think I like Sweetness better. And I'm thinking right now. As a writer, my thoughts are often deep and can be found to have more meaning when written. Sometimes it's easier for me to say something than write it out.

 

[Cory in DC]

If the break is the same as the 7 ball than the 6 and the breaks is a better spot. That would be like getting the 6 and the 7, where the other game was just the 7 and the 8. So take the 6 and the breaks.

I said the wild 6-out and breaks, which I take to mean the wild 6, 7, and 8, plus breaks. Of course I could be biased since I may be the "local FISH". (That might have been a better screen name than "Cory in DC", or at least more accurate).

Here's a more specific hypothetical:

Player A: Very good player. I usually get the call 7 and 8 from him. He's a slight favorite with that spot.

Player B: Considering going pro. Should at least give player A the 8 ball; probably more to make it a coin-toss.

Given this information, what's a fair spot if I play Player B?

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Giving up the break is about the same as giving up the 7-ball.

That depends. How does the guy break? I've given out the breaks to guys that routinely fly off the table. I kept asking myself, 'who's spotting whom?'

 

[Sweet Marissa]

Thanks for the worthless 5 page of scroll referencing a book we don't own.

Now, back to the spots.

I know, right... Now would be an ideal time to make use of that edit button and get rid of that crap. If someone doesn't know a term by now, they'll find out soon enough!

 

[1pRoscoe]

That depends. How does the guy break? I've given out the breaks to guys that routinely fly off the table. I kept asking myself, 'who's spotting whom?'

That is what I was referring to in my reply to amc4.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Games on the wire is way more weight than the 8-ball or the last two.

How can you say that across the board? If I give you 1 on 11, that equals far less weight than the last-two (smallest ball spot). I've been giving out games on the wire almost exclusively for the past few years so I know a bit about how it equates to ball-spots. I assure you, when the guy giving out the weight ties it up in a hurry, those spots don't look like much.

 

[ScottR]

If the break is the same as the 7 ball than the 6 and the breaks is a better spot. That would be like getting the 6 and the 7, where the other game was just the 7 and the 8. So take the 6 and the breaks.

There's a reason I rarely gamble with a spot, giving or getting. Now what was that reason????

 

[NewGuy]

Ok, here are some stupid questions about spots. Can you tell that I don't gamble much?

Giving someone a ball means that if they shoot that ball or the 9, they win. Can they combo it in? Do they have to call the shot?

I'm assuming that giving someone a ball and out means all the balls from that number on. For example, 7 out would mean that if the 7, 8, or 9 is pocketed, they win? Is that correct?

What the hell is the orange crush? 5 and out?

Jude, I'll play you in a race to 11 for $100... but I'll need 10 games on the wire.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I don't suppose you could have just included a link or even used a smaller font, maybe use commas...

Ok, I changed the big list to the smallest font.

This question comes up frequently, but so far as I know, there is no link with definitions except the one I gave above.

 

[zeeder]

Okay, I'll take the breaks, 7 on the wire to 11 and the wild 4 out!

Edit: Forgot to mention I get 3:1 on the money...lol.

 

[Sweet Marissa]

Ok, here are some stupid questions about spots. Can you tell that I don't gamble much?

Giving someone a ball means that if they shoot that ball or the 9, they win. Can they combo it in? Do they have to call the shot?

That depends... you can state stipulations, for example giving up the 7: it could be call 7 (they have to call the pocket), wild 7 (don't have to call it), you can say no combos, not off the breaks, et cetera...

I'm assuming that giving someone a ball and out means all the balls from that number on. For example, 7 out would mean that if the 7, 8, or 9 is pocketed, they win? Is that correct?

That would be correct.

What the hell is the orange crush? 5 and out?

That's a Coke, er, soda. With all this food talk with Terry, I need a drink, too.

Jude, I'll play you in a race to 11 for $100... but I'll need 10 games on the wire.

I think you need to refer to our little morality debate in the gambling thread.

 

[NewGuy]

I think you need to refer to our little morality debate in the gambling thread.

I never claimed to have morals.

We really need a little evil smiley face. Something like these;