9 Ball Spots

amc4 said:
Sorry, I guess I'm use to making games with real strong players. If you are playing with guys that can't break and run out then you would know more about what the breaks is worth than me. To the guys I'm use to staking people against, the 8-ball or the last two doesn't mean shit and a game or two on the wire would be way stronger. I guess if you are playing people like you say than it sounds as if they are giving you weight by taking all the breaks.
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AMC, I'm simply saying that what you say is not absolute. It's subjective. Depending on the length of the race and the number of games given, game spots can also amount to little.

This is kinda silly. I've played hundreds of sets of each. I know both quite well. It sounds like you have your reservations to one over another. That's typical. I'll just leave it at that.
 
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Cory in DC said:
I said the wild 6-out and breaks, which I take to mean the wild 6, 7, and 8, plus breaks. Of course I could be biased since I may be the "local FISH". (That might have been a better screen name than "Cory in DC", or at least more accurate).

Here's a more specific hypothetical:

Player A: Very good player. I usually get the call 7 and 8 from him. He's a slight favorite with that spot.

Player B: Considering going pro. Should at least give player A the 8 ball; probably more to make it a coin-toss.

Given this information, what's a fair spot if I play Player B?
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First, a fair spot is subjective, and it does not mean 'THE NUTS'.
To me, the burden of playing should fall on the person getting spotted
to BRING their game UP, not for the better player to spot SO much weight
that they have to play ABSOLUTELY perfect to win.

You don't have to be the best of players to be a HUSTLER. I know lessor
players that HUSTLE big spots that give them the NUTS in a match.

I tell players what I will give them, and maybe adjust from it 1 time, BUT
don't sit there and argue with me for 20 minutes about spots, IF you don't
like what I offer, then don't play - IT is that simple. And I am usually the
one approached for a game, not me going to the other guy.

Pool players will DO anything to get an edge over another pool player.
Keep that in mind at all times.

And different people playing different people, the psychology and feel is
different from opponent to opponent. Base your spots on your game
and your possible opponents game, not on what they spot someone else,
you will be better off in the long run.
 
ok, i've been debating this with someone for a little while now, and after reading a few posts, i think i might have something confused.

when i give up the last two........it means the 9 and the next highest numbered ball on the table.

this means that if the other person is breaking, the 8 ball and 9 ball would be the last two and if pocketed would win the game.

or say the person giving the spot breaks and makes the 7 and 8, then misses a shot, the person getting the spot now has the 6 and 9 ball as money balls.


they way that posts in this thread read, you don't have but the 9 ball as the money ball on the break.

so it seems that the "last two" people are talking about here mean when there are only TWO balls left on the table.


so......just to clarify so i can re analyze my opinion on this............

someone define their definition of the LAST TWO.

thanks

VAP
 
vapoolplayer said:
someone define their definition of the LAST TWO.

VAP
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Last two = the last two balls left on the table. A player given this spot would win if they made either of the last two balls on the table. It could be the 1 and 9 that are left as the last two.

Rick
 
hustlefinger said:
Last two = the last two balls left on the table. A player given this spot would win if they made either of the last two balls on the table. It could be the 1 and 9 that are left as the last two.

Rick
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whoops.........i've been giving up the WRONG spot :D

VAP
 
hustlefinger said:
Last two = the last two balls left on the table. A player given this spot would win if they made either of the last two balls on the table. It could be the 1 and 9 that are left as the last two.

Rick
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I'm still not clear . . . . the last two at all times on the table? In VAP's example, the spot-ee is breaking and makes the 8, does he/she win?

How about after an empty break by the spot-ee, the spot-er runs down to the 7 and the 9 and misses, making a combo on the 8 during the run. Is the 7 now a money ball for the incoming spot-ee?

I'm not "what-if"-ing for fun. I have been involved and seen serious fights about this definition in different parts of the country. Thanks.
 
that's the same definition everyone I've ever known has of last two...I've never heard it defined differently in any action I've been in or seen.

vapoolplayer said:
ok, i've been debating this with someone for a little while now, and after reading a few posts, i think i might have something confused.

when i give up the last two........it means the 9 and the next highest numbered ball on the table.

this means that if the other person is breaking, the 8 ball and 9 ball would be the last two and if pocketed would win the game.

or say the person giving the spot breaks and makes the 7 and 8, then misses a shot, the person getting the spot now has the 6 and 9 ball as money balls.


they way that posts in this thread read, you don't have but the 9 ball as the money ball on the break.

so it seems that the "last two" people are talking about here mean when there are only TWO balls left on the table.


so......just to clarify so i can re analyze my opinion on this............

someone define their definition of the LAST TWO.

thanks

VAP
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Egg McDogit said:
that's the same definition everyone I've ever known has of last two...I've never heard it defined differently in any action I've been in or seen.
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I have seen a serious disagreement about this. The situation was that player A was giving the "last two" to player B. A takes the 8 off the table with a legal combo/carom and says that B only has the 9 as a money ball.

My understanding of this example is A is only correct if the spot is "the 8 and 9", not the "last two". Do I understand correctly?
 
i know that when i've asked for the last two, thats what i was asking for, whichever 2 HIGHEST numbered balls were on the table at any given time. i never got it, had to settle for the 7 or the 8.

by MY definition the last two is a harder spot for someone to give up than the 7 or the 8.

by OTHER PEOPLE's definition the last two is an easier spot to give up.

VAP
 
ScottR said:
I have seen a serious disagreement about this. The situation was that player A was giving the "last two" to player B. A takes the 8 off the table with a legal combo/carom and says that B only has the 9 as a money ball.

My understanding of this example is A is only correct if the spot is "the 8 and 9", not the "last two". Do I understand correctly?
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this is a prime example why whenever i'm getting or giving spots, i don't just say "last two" or what not.

i explain or ask EXACTLY what is being given. i also explain or ask EXACTLY what happens if a money ball goes down illegally, legally, etc etc.

thats the best way to avoid problems.

VAP
 
vapoolplayer said:
this is a prime example why whenever i'm getting or giving spots, i don't just say "last two" or what not.

i explain or ask EXACTLY what is being given. i also explain or ask EXACTLY what happens if a money ball goes down illegally, legally, etc etc.

thats the best way to avoid problems.

VAP
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Yes, it's best to get that out of the way. Also, you should go over the rules for both players since frequently, the rules will be different for one than the other. A good example is illegally pocketing the spot-ball. If it's the player getting weight, that ball stays down. If its the player giving the weight, that ball usually gets respotted.
 
vapoolplayer said:
i know that when i've asked for the last two, thats what i was asking for, whichever 2 HIGHEST numbered balls were on the table at any given time. i never got it, had to settle for the 7 or the 8.

by MY definition the last two is a harder spot for someone to give up than the 7 or the 8.

by OTHER PEOPLE's definition the last two is an easier spot to give up.

VAP
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I always thought that the last two was where, at any time, if you made the nine or the ball before it then you won. However, I was playing a guy that was spotting me the last two and when I made a combo on the 8 I started rolling the other balls to be racked. He then informed me, along with others in the hall, that the last two doesn't come into play until there are only two balls on the table. I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one confused with this particular spot!
 
think I misread your previous post. Last 2 is a smaller spot than the 8. Basically it means the spottee can win by running out through the ball before the 9. Last 2 is a bit more than the straight 8.

vapoolplayer said:
i know that when i've asked for the last two, thats what i was asking for, whichever 2 HIGHEST numbered balls were on the table at any given time. i never got it, had to settle for the 7 or the 8.

by MY definition the last two is a harder spot for someone to give up than the 7 or the 8.

by OTHER PEOPLE's definition the last two is an easier spot to give up.

VAP
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Wha...?

Egg McDogit said:
think I misread your previous post. Last 2 is a smaller spot than the 8. Basically it means the spottee can win by running out through the ball before the 9. Last 2 is a bit more than the straight 8.
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You contradict yourself there...
 
Sweet Marissa said:
You contradict yourself there...
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straight 8 is very different from the call 8 or wild 8.

straight 8 - runout through the 8 ball. combo's on the 8 aren't a win. if the 8's been pocketed already, then you have to make the 9 to win. basically it's like last 2, except if the 8's already been made, you're playing without a spot
 
Sweet Marissa said:
Ah, thanks :) Never heard the term "straight 8" before.
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Funny thing, up north, when I give someone the 8, it's implied that it's called-shot, never wild. When I go south of Jersey, it's implied that it's wild, never called. When I was gambling in Fairfax, I had to learn how to rack in such a way that they didn't make that thing on every break! The fellas were nice though. They actually would remind me when I racked it on the corner.
 
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