9 foot table room size 34x13

[Pjaze]

If I had nowhere else to put a 9' table and had no way to somehow widen that 13' room, here's what I'd do.

I'd stick with the 9-footer rather than getting a smaller table, and I'd place it off-center in the room. I'd place one of the long sides of the table so the edge of the cushion (edge of the 50" wide playing surface) is 66" from the wall. That will put the opposite cushion edge just 40" from the other side wall. 66" + 50" + 40" = 156" = 13'.

That will give you full-cue/full-backswing access to three sides of the table plus some shots on the fourth side. For shots where a full cue could not be used on that fourth side, you could use a shorter cue.

Obviously, this is not ideal, and may even sound kind of crazy. But I think I'd find it plenty acceptable for the way I use a home table, which is for practice more than for playing games with other people. With the full use of three sides, you would have no limitation on the types of shots you could practice.

You're lucky to have the 9' GC IV. I'd want to use that to better my game regardless of any room limitations. Good luck, whatever you do.

^ I agree 100%

 

[Island Drive]

This thread has me worried. After reading numerous posts here planned on buying 9' Diamond Pro and I am building a house - built a room 14 x 18 because that is what Diamond site says:

(sorry can't post link as I don't have 5 posts)

No way to go back as there is brick involved - and really wanted 9' table (complete novice) am I making a mistake?

You won't be happy.

 

[msubilliards]

msubilliards...No, you have to figure from the outside dimensions to accomodate a full backswing. Steveharn has it right. Add 10' to the length and width, and you'll be fine for a 9' table.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

If the ball is that close to the rail then you have to place your cue over the rail to hit it, you need to use the playing dimensions, not outer dimensions. My table is getting delivered tomorrow, I have painters tape put down for both the outer and playing dimensions of the table. My basement is 24' long and 16' wide except where the bathroom and stairs are then it goes down to 12'. What I did was put the table at least 60" from the wall on 3.5 sides and 36" on the one half side where the bathroom is. I have a 36" cue for this. I'll post pictures later tonight.

 

[AtLarge]

50 playing surface plus 58 inch cue off both sides assuming ball on rail, is 13 feet 8 inches, thus 2 inches of cue stroke, tight but I guess I see where diamond is coming from

And a 58" cue normally means excluding the tip and the bumper.

 

[RackOnTour]

You don't have to add it to the outside dimensions since you can cue over the outside. You need to add to the playing dimensions 100"x50".

Someone told me to add 10 to table size, that was room size needed for comfortable play.

msubilliards...No, you have to figure from the outside dimensions to accomodate a full backswing. Steveharn has it right. Add 10' to the length and width, and you'll be fine for a 9' table.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

This thread has me worried. After reading numerous posts here planned on buying 9' Diamond Pro and I am building a house - built a room 14 x 18 because that is what Diamond site says:

(sorry can't post link as I don't have 5 posts)

No way to go back as there is brick involved - and really wanted 9' table (complete novice) am I making a mistake?

This is the link: http://www.diamondbilliards.com/index.php/about/pool-room-dimensions

I don't know why Diamond and Brunswick say that. I can't imagine a 14x18 room would be sufficient for actual play on a 9 footer.

Ok just constructed mock table with sawhorses, a 4x8 plywood, and some taped cardboard to simulate 50 x 100 space - walked around don't seem to have any cuing issues - it might be tight to have 4-6 people but with just 2 or myself practicing it seems fine - what am I missing?

If the ball is that close to the rail then you have to place your cue over the rail to hit it, you need to use the playing dimensions, not outer dimensions. My table is getting delivered tomorrow, I have painters tape put down for both the outer and playing dimensions of the table. My basement is 24' long and 16' wide except where the bathroom and stairs are then it goes down to 12'. What I did was put the table at least 60" from the wall on 3.5 sides and 36" on the one half side where the bathroom is. I have a 36" cue for this. I'll post pictures later tonight.

I really hope that sanity prevails here.
Sorry Scott but the playing area should dictate the room size.
Don't worry jhugo, you will be fine. A little snug but no issue.
msubilliards is correct.

It is funny that there is another thread on the front page that has the same content and msubilliards is the only honest appraisal there too.
I will repost my reply here again.

The table playing area is 100" x 50"
A standard length cue is 58"
This means that the actual minimum room size without intrusions is:
The length of the table plus 2 x the length of the cue = 216" (18')
multiplied X
The width of the table plus 2 x the length of the cue = 166" (13'10")

You may be surprised that this will still give you ample cueing room because it is only on very rare occasions that a shot presents itself where the ball is frozen to the rail and you must shoot away at a 90 degree angle. In these instances you will raise the cue slightly and are not likely to take a longer stroke for this type of shot anyway.

YES we would all like to have some extra room but that is not always possible. Unless you like to swing your arm wildly...14' x 18' is OK.

You will also get more play by placing the table exactly in the centre of the room. Again, not often do you need to shoot straight out from a rail.
:thumbup:

 

[msubilliards]

Here's the pictures, I used the outer dimensions of the Diamond Professional that's listed on their website 114" x 64" and the inner dimensions are 100"x 50". Its not perfect all the way around but close enough for what I was looking for. As you can see, I only have to use the short cue on the part of the wall that has the bathroom, everything else is fine.

 

[flash5153]

You might need to practice and use a short stick . It may be the only option.
It might not be all that bad really. Other than getting good with it on a 9 footer. Like it's not tough enough already.

But could you imagine a guy walking into a pool hall shooting with a short stick,,,saying,,"Wana bet???". Oh,,boy ,,the action he would get!!!

Maybe put some tape on your glasses,,,and hike up yur pants !!! LOL


And call your pocket!! lol "I think I will attempt to install the number 9 ball into thee corner pocket!!!"

 

[flash5153]

Here's the pictures, I used the outer dimensions of the Diamond Professional that's listed on their website 114" x 64" and the inner dimensions are 100"x 50". Its not perfect all the way around but close enough for what I was looking for. As you can see, I only have to use the short cue on the part of the wall that has the bathroom, everything else is fine.

That's not bad at all,,IMO. Nothin else you can do??

 

[ENGLISH!]

Hey it is what it is. We don't notice it when there is no problem but you will be surprised how often you DO have to shoot near straight across from off the rail. my table was in my parents attached single car garage before I moved it to my new house so I know. But a 52" cue is not that bad for those shots. They even have some nice 54" 2 pc. cues made mostly for females by Athena & some of them come with extensions.

Good Luck with it &

 

[brandoncook26]

I really hope that sanity prevails here.
Sorry Scott but the playing area should dictate the room size.
Don't worry jhugo, you will be fine. A little snug but no issue.
msubilliards is correct.

It is funny that there is another thread on the front page that has the same content and msubilliards is the only honest appraisal there too.
I will repost my reply here again.

YES we would all like to have some extra room but that is not always possible. Unless you like to swing your arm wildly...14' x 18' is OK.

You will also get more play by placing the table exactly in the centre of the room. Again, not often do you need to shoot straight out from a rail.
:thumbup:

I take it you have a table in your house with these dimensions or you have first hand knowledge playing in such a place?

Lots of people, including myself, posting on this thread with tables in their house. Wouldn't it seem the wisest course of action to listen to the people who have actually went through the issue instead of someone adding dimensions?

Whatever you choose to believe, good luck to those with the questions.

<----Off to play downstairs in my adequately sized pool table room

 

[msubilliards]

I was in the same boat as you DoubleD when looking for houses, all the ones in my price range had basements that were long enough but not wide enough. I guess the difference is, I'd prefer to have my own table and have to deal with the rare shot where the cue ball ends up on the rail and I have to either use the short cue or jack my cue up a little bit to hit it.

But I'll agree with you if you plan on having more than a couple of people down there and plan to have furniture then yes the 18' x 14' will not be enough.

 

[purpdrag]

Did the real estate agent accommodate you? When I eventually look for a house, a pool room sufficient for a 9 footer will be the one absolutely non-negotiable aspect. I would like to think a real estate agent would understand if you say it is 100% non-negotiable, but I've heard stories of agents who try to get you to "compromise" no matter how much you explain it.

I've also heard that it's tough explaining to an agent that a 15x20 room is not the same as a 300 square foot room with different dimensions.

As I said, she was a bit annoyed by so many houses being eliminated for that reason, but it was non-negotiable and of course no one can force you to buy a house. It was only a minor nuisance for my real estate agent though because although she tried to send me a list of prospects, her list sucked, so I did all the research myself and gave her the list of places that needed to be looked at. Many can be eliminated just by looking at the listing. Even some that didn't show room dimensions I could tell enough by looking at the pictures to know it wasn't going to work.

As I mentioned before the hardest thing is that 13 to 14 foot wide rooms are fairly common but that's just not quite big enough. The length was less of a problem since 20 - 22 feet or more was common.

 

[Hungarian]

Minimum dims using your 58" cue


50" + 58" + 58" = ~14'

100" + 58" +58" = ~18'

I'd recommend a diamond bar box

Ok so wanted opinions I just bought a house with a 13 foot wide room. I want to put a 9 footer in, does anyone have thoughts on it? Personal experience?

I already have a gold crown 4 so getting a newer smaller table isn't really an option

 

[RackOnTour]

I take it you have a table in your house with these dimensions or you have first hand knowledge playing in such a place?

Lots of people, including myself, posting on this thread with tables in their house. Wouldn't it seem the wisest course of action to listen to the people who have actually went through the issue instead of someone adding dimensions?

Whatever you choose to believe, good luck to those with the questions.

<----Off to play downstairs in my adequately sized pool table room

Yes Brandon, I have had many different tables in a range of room sizes.
I also think that my job as a table installer affords me a better idea than most. I am liaising with clients regarding table area within their homes on a regular basis. I always tell them that they will be much more comfortable with more room than less...obviously.
It is important to remember that not all table owners have the luxury of larger rooms and want to play anyway. I quoted the minimum requirements which are correct.

Sent from my phone while moving a snooker table by myself - 135 years old with 4 x 186 kg (410 lb) slates.

 

[brandoncook26]

Yes Brandon, I have had many different tables in a range of room sizes.
I also think that my job as a table installer affords me a better idea than most. I am liaising with clients regarding table area within their homes on a regular basis. I always tell them that they will be much more comfortable with more room than less...obviously.
It is important to remember that not all table owners have the luxury of larger rooms and want to play anyway. I quoted the minimum requirements which are correct.

Sent from my phone while moving a snooker table by myself - 135 years old with 4 x 186 kg (410 lb) slates.

While I appreciate your experience, I disagree with your assessment. A 14 x 18 room is too small for a 9 foot table. I agree that not all people have the luxury of larger rooms, but that is why God or someone had the wherewithal to invent 8' and 7' tables, to accommodate those very people.

The "minimum" requirements leave zero room to play if the cueball gets anywhere near the rail:

50"+58"+58" = 166" ------ 14' x 12" = 168", 1" of clearance on each side

100"+58"+58" = 216" ----- 18' x 12" = 216", exactly zero clearance on each side.