90/90 And The SEE System

Less sane than those arguing the irrational side for 18 years? Hmm... who could that be?

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This is how your logic works? You better not be using the word again because you have none.

You justify two decades of endless derisive assaults on CTE and it's users because John Barton had the unmitigated gall to defy your warped ideology of CTE when he took a live lesson with Hal Houle and then shared a positive learning experience to then becoming a staunch supporter? WTF is wrong with you? Based on when he started posting about it, you had a 3-5 year head start on him before he first saw Hal which means he hasn't been at it for 18 years as you and Lou have.

And so what? The system has grown greater than it's ever been since Stan has devoted his time and efforts into it's current development. It isn't going to stop and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it except run your insane mouth as you have for all those wasted years.

But now all of us who have taken lessons either from Hal or Stan, purchased the DVDs to learn how it worked and now use it with praise for improving our games are the ones at fault for your continued psycho onslaughts. Man, you take the cake!

Nope...nothing wrong with your brain and way of thinking. :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
Pat contributes a ton of very useful stuff to this forum, and has for years. Bashing CTE is only a sideline.

I think you need to reexamine the definition of full time vs. part time. He has contributed useful stuff to this forum on a part time basis. Bashing CTE and it's users is his full time job.
 
I think you need to reexamine the definition of full time vs. part time. He has contributed useful stuff to this forum on a part time basis. Bashing CTE and it's users is his full time job.

Whatever. The point is that he isn't here just to "stalk" CTE users. Besides, no stalking is needed, they are easy to find since you find them posting in every aiming-related thread, even GB.

There's something very weird to me about how similar CTE users have gotten to fundamentalist religious groups. It's just aiming. Why all the hate for those who don't believe in your thing? You call the non-believers "Haters", but sitting here in the bleachers, "objectively" watching the fray, the most vile, hateful, and threatening posts all seem to be coming from the CTE camp. Why is that?
 
Whatever.

Don't summarily dismiss his full time posting habits over two decades with a "whatever". I guarantee if a number count was done here on AZ alone, his posts on CTE would far outweigh all the rest.

The point is that he isn't here just to "stalk" CTE users.

You could have fooled me.

Besides, no stalking is needed, they are easy to find since you find them posting in every aiming-related thread, even GB.

And here you are with zero interest in learning or performing CTE
spending time and making an inordinate number of posts in CTE threads. Why are you even there? Stalking or just curious?


There's something very weird to me about how similar CTE users have gotten to fundamentalist religious groups.

Cut the crap with that comparison. I've said it before and I'll say it again. We're ALL pool players. Nobody wants to play worse by using a method that doesn't work. If you still think that way, STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY CHURCH!

It's just aiming. Why all the hate for those who don't believe in your thing?

There's no hate nor do I want you to believe or use CTE. We could care less what you use or do. Leave the subject alone. Don't bother us. It's like you're a radical Islamic extremist trying to get us from believing in something else other than Allah

You call the non-believers "Haters",

No, we call the misinformed, uneducated in the system, and the unwilling to STFU haters until they get off their butts to do it in order to carry on a normal discourse.

but sitting here in the bleachers, "objectively" watching the fray, the most vile, hateful, and threatening posts all seem to be coming from the CTE camp. Why is that?

I have news for you, this post as well as others you've made puts you on the playing field and you've been here for a while as an antagonist.
 
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I have news for you, this post as well as others you've made puts you on the playing field and you've been here for a while as an antagonist.

Piss off.

I bought the DVD in good faith, gave it a try, asked for advise here and got nothing but grief from all of you... except for Stan. You even called me a hater, so I contacted Stan on FB (after he said he was done with this place) and asked him if he saw anything I wrote that was offensive to him. Not only did he not take offense at anything I've posted on here, he went out of his way to thank me for a Photoshop overlay I did that showed he was right on the money with a question of alignment that came up on a thread.

So, let the man himself speak up if he doesn't like me or my posts. He's not the fanatical one, he's just promoting a system he believes in. It's you, Barton and Cookie who are the ones holding the CTE flag so high and taking on all comers. Get a life, dude. Your attacks on well intentioned members like myself are just fanning the flames... which is what I'm convinced you really want.
 
Piss off.

You can do likewise, SloppyMouth. Now you're stalking. You're in MY THREAD uninvited. Stay the hell out!

I bought the DVD in good faith, gave it a try, asked for advise here and got nothing but grief from all of you... except for Stan. You even called me a hater, so I contacted Stan on FB (after he said he was done with this place) and asked him if he saw anything I wrote that was offensive to him. Not only did he not take offense at anything I've posted on here, he went out of his way to thank me for a Photoshop overlay I did that showed he was right on the money with a question of alignment that came up on a thread.

Good for you. Now get the hell out of MY THREAD and stay out of MY CHURCH.


So, let the man himself speak up if he doesn't like me or my posts. He's not the fanatical one, he's just promoting a system he believes in. It's you, Barton and Cookie who are the ones holding the CTE flag so high and taking on all comers. Get a life, dude. Your attacks on well intentioned members like myself are just fanning the flames... which is what I'm convinced you really want.

Did I come into your thread or did you come into MINE looking for trouble? Here you are once again on the playing field and not in the bleachers.
STAY THE HELL OUT!
 
Did I come into your thread or did you come into MINE looking for trouble? Here you are once again on the playing field and not in the bleachers.
STAY THE HELL OUT!

Have I stated lately that CTE sucks?

Well it does and no ranting my you will change the fact it sucks.

Oh it ain't your thread jerk off.
 
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Here's a couple of different ones for you physics wizards to figure out and dedicate your lives to screaming IMPOSSIBLE, HERESY, MATH CAN'T BE PROVED, GOES AGAINST LOGIC, SNAKE OIL SALESMEN, IT'S NOT OBJECTIVE, I HAVE ISSUES WITH THE WORDING, PIVOTS ARE BAD, ETC., ETC, ETC.

Here's a hint: Pool is played on a POOL TABLE that's either 4 1/2' x 9'...4'x8'...or
3 1/2' x 7'. There are 16 balls. The white one is struck with a cue into one of the balls numbered 1 - 15. The object is to knock all the numbered balls into a pocket before your opponent does. The person who makes the most balls or shoots the winning numbered ball in first wins. Pool is not played any other way than on the table.

Pool is not played on a calculator, or with protractors, or with 2D drawings, or requires a numeric and algebraic formula explanation after the balls go into a pocket to validate why or how it went there to get credit for the shot. All it has to do is go in.
If balls are made consistently and at a high rate with a specific system that causes them to go into pockets, it's a valid system and works.

KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT:

http://9090aiming.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_dJHZiN01A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjgp2lmYSPg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Y28VgvId0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urKYpAC1BEI

Did I come into your thread or did you come into MINE looking for trouble? Here you are once again on the playing field and not in the bleachers.
STAY THE HELL OUT!

You INVITED us all in for f*ck sake!
 
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To discuss, praise, or knock 90/90 and the SEE SYSTEM!!

Be my guest, say whatever you wish about those two aiming systems. Got anything to say about them? I didn't think so. (surprise me)

I was going to buy Ron's material a few years ago at SBE, but he couldn't and wouldn't answer a single question about it right there in person. He seemed to just want me to buy the material first on faith alone. I passed. I do smart stuff like that all the time.

SEE I know very little about because no one will discuss it here, and again, I'm not plopping my dough down without a good preview of what I'm buying. I do know that Appleton claims to use it on rail shots, but it didn't stop him from dogging an easy cut along the rail yesterday, a shot that any APA 5 would make 95% of the time.

The game is not played in the practice room, it is played under stressful competitive situations. You have to ask yourself if your system will hold up under that pressure. What was the last major you placed in the money at?
 
Have I stated lately that CTE sucks?

Well it does and no ranting my you will change the fact it sucks.

Oh it ain't your thread jerk off.

Where are the mods now. I'm willing to bet I, Neil, Cookie, JB, and a bunch of others would get a ban for a name calling post like this. How does he slide?
 
Where are the mods now. I'm willing to bet I, Neil, Cookie, JB, and a bunch of others would get a ban for a name calling post like this. How does he slide?

Probably would. Duckie provides us with great comic relief, along with a few other players who ride to the pool hall on the short bus. Would you deprive us of our little giggles?
 
Probably would. Duckie provides us with great comic relief, along with a few other players who ride to the pool hall on the short bus. Would you deprive us of our little giggles?

In other words what you're saying is you have absolutely nothing of intelligence to offer regarding 90/90 or the SEE System. That's what I figured.

As far as Duckie goes...you have got to be kidding!
 
I was going to buy Ron's material a few years ago at SBE, but he couldn't and wouldn't answer a single question about it right there in person. He seemed to just want me to buy the material first on faith alone. I passed. I do smart stuff like that all the time.

He probably didn't have the strength or energy to answer and shouldn't have even been there. He was very ill at the time, and I mean very ill with the worst thing any human can come down with.
That's all I'm going to say about it.


SEE I know very little about because no one will discuss it here, and again, I'm not plopping my dough down without a good preview of what I'm buying. I do know that Appleton claims to use it on rail shots, but it didn't stop him from dogging an easy cut along the rail yesterday, a shot that any APA 5 would make 95% of the time.

It wasn't that much dough. None of them are. Maybe you're just a cheap know it all and need nothing new. It must have been the SEE system that made him miss. Pros can't miss easy shots? LMAO. I've seen pros miss shots with BIH and the CB and OB 12" apart to a wide open pocket.

The game is not played in the practice room, it is played under stressful competitive situations.

Not if you're a keyboard cowboy, then it's only played on the computer with words. Do you stress yourself often in competitive situations? Like where?

You have to ask yourself if your system will hold up under that pressure. What was the last major you placed in the money at?

What about your last major you placed in the money? Earl Strickland was a multiple major winner and used to post many years ago. CJ Wiley was a multiple big tournament winner (don't know about a major) and both got blown out of forums from the know it all keyboard cowboys never to return.
 
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Did I come into your thread or did you come into MINE looking for trouble? Here you are once again on the playing field and not in the bleachers.
STAY THE HELL OUT!

You started this thread as an argument. You also seem to be having a mental breakdown as of late.

I asked him about aiming systems and he basically said just shoot it in the hole.

Have a Snickers bar.
 
You started this thread as an argument.

They could have done anything they wanted. Positive or negative since they're also offset and pivot systems.

I asked him about aiming systems and he basically said just shoot it in the hole.

Who is him? Never mind, don't answer. Stay out if you have nothing to say about 90/90 or SEE.

All of the stalking trolls are out today and I'm surprised you haven't been here earlier.
What is this, a national holiday for stalking trolls or something?
 
I tested various systems including SEE, CTE, CP2CP aiming, etc. All works for me.
I also talked with Gene about his perfect aim thing, I was surpised because I'm aiming and visualizing exactly the same way like how he recommends.... and I'm doing this since I turned 13....

I rarely miss a shot during my usual 4hrs daily practice, with out without any system.

I think the key to these system is to follow every steps exactly as described by the instructor. It's worked for me. I tried to evaluate these systems with open mind, so I started to practice with SEE and CTE like a complete beginner, so I "kept out" everything what I learned before.

No system will do any good for you if you don't have a routine and a consistent stroke.

Sorry for my english, I'm not a native speaker, this is why I don't post here often.
I'm a pro player in my country, but as I see pros aren't welcome here :(
This is also why I don't want to identify myself, plus sometimes I really don't want to argue with somebody who cant run 3 balls......
 
I tested various systems including SEE, CTE, CP2CP aiming, etc. All works for me.
I also talked with Gene about his perfect aim thing, I was surpised because I'm aiming and visualizing exactly the same way like how he recommends.... and I'm doing this since I turned 13....

I rarely miss a shot during my usual 4hrs daily practice, with out without any system.

I think the key to these system is to follow every steps exactly as described by the instructor. It's worked for me. I tried to evaluate these systems with open mind, so I started to practice with SEE and CTE like a complete beginner, so I "kept out" everything what I learned before.

No system will do any good for you if you don't have a routine and a consistent stroke.

Sorry for my english, I'm not a native speaker, this is why I don't post here often.
I'm a pro player in my country, but as I see pros aren't welcome here :(
This is also why I don't want to identify myself, plus sometimes I really don't want to argue with somebody who cant run 3 balls......

Oh my God! An incredibly good post and exactly the way something new has to be approached for it to be learned and internalized.

I wish you would post here more often, but I can't blame you one bit and fully understand.
 
Whatever. The point is that he isn't here just to "stalk" CTE users. Besides, no stalking is needed, they are easy to find since you find them posting in every aiming-related thread, even GB.

There's something very weird to me about how similar CTE users have gotten to fundamentalist religious groups. It's just aiming. Why all the hate for those who don't believe in your thing? You call the non-believers "Haters", but sitting here in the bleachers, "objectively" watching the fray, the most vile, hateful, and threatening posts all seem to be coming from the CTE camp. Why is that?

It's actually the non users of cte that bring up cte in every thread they start.
It seems when there thread sits dormant for a while then they mention cte.
I think they are just seeking attention. CTE gives them that attention.
 
I was going to buy Ron's material a few years ago at SBE, but he couldn't and wouldn't answer a single question about it right there in person. He seemed to just want me to buy the material first on faith alone. I passed. I do smart stuff like that all the time.

SEE I know very little about because no one will discuss it here, and again, I'm not plopping my dough down without a good preview of what I'm buying. I do know that Appleton claims to use it on rail shots, but it didn't stop him from dogging an easy cut along the rail yesterday, a shot that any APA 5 would make 95% of the time.

The game is not played in the practice room, it is played under stressful competitive situations. You have to ask yourself if your system will hold up under that pressure. What was the last major you placed in the money at?

I finished ninth at the U S Amateurs. CTE held up just fine
 
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