9ball Racking.
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Nine ball in bottom 2 should not count and Rack your own should be the norm... For years guys learned how to fix the rack so you didn't make a ball... Rack high, rack low, tilt it, leave balls loose, ect... I am no mechanic... All I do is make sure they are all touching and the 1ball gets loaded... I would dare anyone to try and call one of my racks illegal....
Now how is it a fair match when I am giving my opponent my best rack and they seem to always give me something where the balls come apart like they were stuck in the mud...... Sure I can go check the rack and raise a stink but arguments in rack your own are exponentially less than in opponent racks......
Now how is it a fair match when I am giving my opponent my best rack and they seem to always give me something where the balls come apart like they were stuck in the mud...... Sure I can go check the rack and raise a stink but arguments in rack your own are exponentially less than in opponent racks......
I see what your saying and im not sure what the right answer is but i still feel better racking for my opponent.
It has happen twice to me during tournament play where my opponent was fixing the rack and when confronted they play the i dont have a clue card.Just makes you wonder how many guys are being cheated and dont know it.
Loser racks = bad racks
Rack your own = mechanic
Magic Rack = consistency with small downsides
I play with MR at my home hall. Last night I was elsewhere and we were using a Delta. I had at least 6 bad racks given to me. And my opponents are gentlemen that were paying attention. Twice they were adamant that I be given a new rack. Twice other times I said "nevermind". Arrgghhh.
Racking is a biatch all around.
Rack your own = mechanic
Magic Rack = consistency with small downsides
I play with MR at my home hall. Last night I was elsewhere and we were using a Delta. I had at least 6 bad racks given to me. And my opponents are gentlemen that were paying attention. Twice they were adamant that I be given a new rack. Twice other times I said "nevermind". Arrgghhh.
Racking is a biatch all around.
I would agree with this.
I'm more in favor of the magic rack than anything else. Don't really care if you rack it or the other guy racks it. Not a fan of saying 9 ball in bottom corners doesn't count, but then again, I made two of those my last 9 ball match :grin: ... of course we were not using the magic rack, it was opponent racks
actually, if we are talking what we would prefer, I would prefer that Michaela Tabb be present to rack every game that I am playing in
actually, if we are talking what we would prefer, I would prefer that Michaela Tabb be present to rack every game that I am playing in
What the h*ll does "I make sure the one ball GETS LOADED" mean. Do you mean that you make sure the 1-ball is frozen to the balls behind it? I've been playing for years in the North East and have never heard that term except on here recently.
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Rack your own is the only way to go, it avoids so much arguing. I know everybody in here is an angel, but I know I dont trust the guys in my room to keep giving me good racks if I'm breaking well. I cant see anybody not cool with this, its not that hard to pocket a ball on the break. If someone strings games on you, run for the hills! Or tip your hat and ask to play loser breaks.
Well, if your post in JohnnyT's thread is true about intentionally racking the two in the back so it comes up table where you have a shot at it - then your rack would indeed be illegal, unless it was required to be put there by a local rule.
Well, if your post in JohnnyT's thread is true about intentionally racking the two in the back so it comes up table where you have a shot at it - then your rack would indeed be illegal, unless it was required to be put there by a local rule.
Smartass LOL.... Yeah if the 2 wasn't required in the back you could possibly bust me for pattern racking... Which leads to the question of If I put the 2 in the back is the intentional placement of a single ball enough to call it pattern racking???
LOL. Interestingly, the way APA rules are written pattern racking is legal in that league. Other than that though, my interpretation of the rules (WPA, BCAPL) would be that yeah, even a single ball would be an infraction. I suppose one could argue that a single ball only gives one a slight edge, and only maybe at that. But you could also say even if you pattern the entire rack, the break shot is by definition a somewhat random event so it too is only an edge. But that's what the rules are about I think, one player not getting an unfair advantage no matter how small.
The two in the back is a particularly interesting example because I have played in tournaments that required the 2 to be racked in the back.
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I agree with rack your own for two reasons. It is almost always faster, and I'm not comfortable when my opponent gets a bad rack, even if it wasn't my fault (balls shifted after I've racked or less than a solid full hit on the one. This way he has only himself (or I myself) to blame.
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I agree with this.
I hate racking for other people in tournaments or leagues. I'm always a 'perfectionist' about it and try to make it perfect (tough on some high-mileage tables!) then if you get it right and the other guy breaks badly they want to cry about it, or give you the fish eye.
I understand the 'rack mechanic' aspect of 'rack your own' being a problem for some folks I guess.
So I see both sides of it and am totally confused I guess.
I'll still go with 'rack your own' though. I'd rather risk my opponent gaming his racks than gaming mine.
Best of both
I always check the rack but never complain. Then adjust the cue ball position accordingly. Drives the racker crazy thinking I am somehow taking advantage of their crappy racks. Sometimes I walk back and forth from the rack two or three times. They quickly become a lot more careful about how they rack. LOL....LOL...LOL
Solves the problem except from the very knowledgeable players who usually rack well anyway.
I always check the rack but never complain. Then adjust the cue ball position accordingly. Drives the racker crazy thinking I am somehow taking advantage of their crappy racks. Sometimes I walk back and forth from the rack two or three times. They quickly become a lot more careful about how they rack. LOL....LOL...LOL
Solves the problem except from the very knowledgeable players who usually rack well anyway.
Regardless who racks, the non racker has the right to inspect the rack.
Generally rack your own makes the 9 on the break or on the break in the foot corners spot.
Should be no issues like that.
Generally rack your own makes the 9 on the break or on the break in the foot corners spot.
Should be no issues like that.
2 in the back
The U.S Open Ball 9-Ball Tournament requires the players to rack the 2-ball in the back. That's so they can't rack the one, two and the three in the front.
Well, if your post in JohnnyT's thread is true about intentionally racking the two in the back so it comes up table where you have a shot at it - then your rack would indeed be illegal, unless it was required to be put there by a local rule.
The U.S Open Ball 9-Ball Tournament requires the players to rack the 2-ball in the back. That's so they can't rack the one, two and the three in the front.
I think the rules need to change in another part of the game.
LEt me ask everybody a question, if a guy makes a ball on the break in 6 games in a row, and runs those games.... WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM?? Shut up!! That is pool. Would you complain if a guy threw down 5 aces on you in a row in tennis too??? No, probably not. You know why... because tennis doesn't allow this sniveling based on the incidental fact that it is hard to come up with an excuse.
There are built in excuses in pool (ie the rack). THAT IS THE PROBLEM. The guy ran a 6 pack... "oh, he was putting the rack on me". Yeah buddy, good one.
The new rule should have nothing to do with racking. The new rules SHOULD state.....
THE GUY IN THE CHAIR NEEDS TO SIT THERE AND SHUT HIS MOUTH IF HIS OPPONENT IS PUTTING THE PACKAGES DOWN.
But, we'll just never get that. We'll just continue to complain.
Why cant we just recognize good pool for what it is.... ie GOOD POOL! The rest is simple, just shut the F up.
LEt me ask everybody a question, if a guy makes a ball on the break in 6 games in a row, and runs those games.... WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM?? Shut up!! That is pool. Would you complain if a guy threw down 5 aces on you in a row in tennis too??? No, probably not. You know why... because tennis doesn't allow this sniveling based on the incidental fact that it is hard to come up with an excuse.
There are built in excuses in pool (ie the rack). THAT IS THE PROBLEM. The guy ran a 6 pack... "oh, he was putting the rack on me". Yeah buddy, good one.
The new rule should have nothing to do with racking. The new rules SHOULD state.....
THE GUY IN THE CHAIR NEEDS TO SIT THERE AND SHUT HIS MOUTH IF HIS OPPONENT IS PUTTING THE PACKAGES DOWN.
But, we'll just never get that. We'll just continue to complain.
Why cant we just recognize good pool for what it is.... ie GOOD POOL! The rest is simple, just shut the F up.
Lots of players can out up packages if you cannot slug them.... Rack mechanics are out there in rack your own but they are not near as prevalent as the guys that will slug you in opponent racks.......
