9ball without the break is NO 9ball...

[itsfroze]

What?



Sure it is. Shane's 9-ball break is good, but it's nothing special (in the way his 10-ball break is). He's always going to be one of the better breakers in a tournament, but playing 9-ball there are definitely players who can outbreak him.

Thanks for the laughs, I enjoy your posts. :thumbup:

 

[Petros Andrikop]

I really doubt that SVB would have problems under "open" break rules, most possibly the exact opposite.
Let's be honest: break rules were not changed to protect players like SVB, break rules were changed to protect others from players like him.
I don't have to restate my opinion on this...

 

[sjm]

Sure it is. Shane's 9-ball break is good, but it's nothing special (in the way his 10-ball break is). He's always going to be one of the better breakers in a tournament, but playing 9-ball there are definitely players who can outbreak him.

Shane has dominated with his break at Derby City far more in 9-ball than in 10-ball.

In the Derby City 9-ball event, there are typically 400 entrants, and Shane has won three of the last six of them.

Shane's 9-ball break is about as special as it gets.

 

[SakuJack]

Shane has dominated with his break at Derby City far more in 9-ball than in 10-ball.

In the Derby City 9-ball event, there are typically 400 entrants, and Shane has won three of the last six of them.

Shane's 9-ball break is about as special as it gets.

They've only been running a 10-ball event for the last 2 years, haven't they?

 

[sjm]

They've only been running a 10-ball event for the last 2 years, haven't they?

Six years, to my recollection. The sixteen man single elimination 10-ball event at the Derby was known as the Fatboy Challenge from 2009-12 and the Bigfoot Challenge from 2013-14. Going from memory alone, I believe the winners, in order, were Lee Vann Cortezza (2009), Darren Appleton (2010), Rodney Morris (2011), Francisco Bustamante (2012), Dennis Orcullo (2013) and Shane Van Boening (2014). Kind of doubt I got all of that right.

 

[The Renfro]

The break is huge advantage in 9 ball. I rack very good and my friend breaks and make the corner ball every time and hes a good player so he runs out a lot. So he racks and he stinks at racking so I make a ball about 50 percent of the time so I have the equal chance only 50 percent of the time and it shows up in the score because your 50/50 to get a lock up safe and youre 50/50 he will shoot you one back.

Any way you slice it I would be on the losing end and I would have a right to ***** but we are playing for fun, when he starts talking his smack then I start inspecting the rack and things equalize, funny how that works.

If I had an opinion that mattered I would say this:

Either everyone use a magic rack and learn to shoot better safes and let that determine the better rack runner or

Make it so its harder to make the wing ball by changing the position of the break.

I would be perfectly fine if you took the break out of play by making the thing square instead of diamond shaped it wouldn't matter to me but I don't like the fact that spaces in the rack end up being a determining factor of who is winning.

C'mon Robin... make him switch to rack your own... I bet he learns how to rack realllllll fast........

 

[SakuJack]

Six years, to my recollection. The sixteen man single elimination 10-ball event at the Derby was known as the Fatboy Challenge from 2009-12 and the Bigfoot Challenge from 2013-14. Going from memory alone, I believe the winners, in order, were Lee Vann Cortezza (2009), Darren Appleton (2010), Rodney Morris (2011), Francisco Bustamante (2012), Dennis Orcullo (2013) and Shane Van Boening (2014). Kind of doubt I got all of that right.

Ah, I forgot about the Fatboy Challenge days. Good point.

I'm not saying Shane doesn't have a very good 9-ball break, but what I am saying is a lot of players can break as well as or better than him playing 9-ball. In 10-ball that absolutely isn't the case. I don't think a set of DCC results (despite Shane's excellent showings in the 9-ball event) disproves that.

 

[sjm]

Ah, I forgot about the Fatboy Challenge days. Good point.

I'm not saying Shane doesn't have a very good 9-ball break, but what I am saying is a lot of players can break as well as or better than him playing 9-ball. In 10-ball that absolutely isn't the case. I don't think a set of DCC results (despite Shane's excellent showings in the 9-ball event) disproves that.

Gotcha.

If you're saying that a few guys can match Shane's nine ball break on a good day but nobody can match his 10-ball break, you may have a point. I just feel that with two US Open 9-ball titles and 3 DCC 9-ball titles, he has, perhaps surprisingly, dominated more with his 9-ball break in tournament play.

Of course, a point worth noting is that the Bigfoot is played on 10-footers, which somewhat changes the break and slightly reduces Shane's breaking advantage. In fact, I would suggest that on a 10-footer, Bustamante breaks as well as Shane in 10-ball.

Thanks for your insights.

 

[itsfroze]

Gotcha.

If you're saying that a few guys can match Shane's nine ball break on a good day but nobody can match his 10-ball break, you may have a point. I just feel that with three US Open 9-ball titles and 3 DCC 9-ball titles, he has, perhaps surprisingly, dominated more with his 9-ball break in tournament play.

Of course, a point worth noting is that the Bigfoot is played on 10-footers, which somewhat changes the break and slightly reduces Shane's breaking advantage. In fact, I would suggest that on a 10-footer, Bustamante breaks as well as Shane in 10-ball.

Thanks for your insights.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[SureShot21]

A lot of players can outbreak Shane playing 9-ball.

Who can outbreak SVB racking the 1 on the spot? The European tours rack the 9 on the spot so they can probably outbreak him in that format but if I had to bet my life that someone would make a ball on the break racking the 1 on the spot, I'd be putting SVB in.

 

[sjm]

Fixed that for ya.

Oops, forgot 2007. Thanks.

 

[AtLarge]

Six years, to my recollection. The sixteen man single elimination 10-ball event at the Derby was known as the Fatboy Challenge from 2009-12 and the Bigfoot Challenge from 2013-14. Going from memory alone, I believe the winners, in order, were Lee Vann Cortezza (2009), Darren Appleton (2010), Rodney Morris (2011), Francisco Bustamante (2012), Dennis Orcullo (2013) and Shane Van Boening (2014). Kind of doubt I got all of that right.

Darn good from memory, Stu -- 5 out of 6. The winner in 2010 was Reyes (over Shuff) rather than Appleton. (I had to look it up.)

But don't forget about basically the same event at the Southern Classic in 2012 (winner Pagulayan) and 2013 (winner Boyes). In fact, the use of the 10-foot table in these 10-Ball events started at the 2012 Southern Classic in Tunica and then continued at the DCC as well thereafter.

 

[sjm]

Darn good from memory, Stu -- 5 out of 6. The winner in 2010 was Reyes (over Shuff) rather than Appleton. (I had to look it up.)

But don't forget about basically the same event at the Southern Classic in 2012 (winner Pagulayan) and 2013 (winner Boyes). In fact, the use of the 10-foot table in these 10-Ball events started at the 2012 Southern Classic in Tunica and then continued at the DCC as well thereafter.

Yeah, forgot about those Tunica 10-ball invitational events. I never was lucky enough to attend the Southern Classic, but I was at all six Derby City 10-ball events to which I referred.