I am no saint, but I do the exact same thing no matter what. I also will let my opponent know when he goes to shoot the wrong ball.
I don't care to "Win at all cost".
Good job Sunny!!!!!!
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I am no saint, but I do the exact same thing no matter what. I also will let my opponent know when he goes to shoot the wrong ball.
I don't care to "Win at all cost".
Good job Sunny!!!!!!
Wow... Thanks everyone with kind words... And I can't believe Mark posted it here :embarrassed2:
Trust me, it was one of the hardest thing to do - but it was the right thing to do in my mind and no one can change my stubborness to be an honest player! I was told by few experienced players after that I didn't that it's because I'm not competitive enough, didn't want to win it enough or they would had never done it if they were in my shoes. Many argued it's ref's job/ call to foul - you just shoot! And believe me I WANT to win as much as everyone else, but if I cheated I could never look at myself as a player - even if no one, not a single person in the crowd saw my foul...
I can always go to another tourney but my integrity cannot be replaced.
I accepted the fact I lost that match cause "I fouled - it was my careless mistake".
However, I feel like I won something much greaterMark bragged to everyone who would listen all yesterday and this...
Thanks all. Next time I won't be so careless and just WIN
S.G.
I do the same thing and I can attest to the fact that it is not easy. I remember once my cue barely touched a ball I was bridging over in a difficult stance. No one else noticed. I stood up and called the foul. I don't even remember now if I won or lost the match.
Sunny has always been a class act. You've known that for a long time and so have most of us that have passed her way.
Personally, I would like to see a rule in pocket billiards which states that the PLAYER is required to call fouls on themselves.
Additionally, a referee should of course be able to call fouls on either player.
Even more so, I think referees should take a pro-active approach to pocket billiards and when an opponent is talking TO ANYONE, while it is the other player's turn (whether that person is at the table or getting ready to come to the table, shooting a shot, preparing to shoot a shot ----you get the idea, the referee should tell the non-shooter that talking is not allowed when it not your turn at the table. A second warning comes with a penalty. A third warning becomes loss of game. A fourth warning and it is loss of match.
There is no need for non-shooting players to be flapping their gums when it is not their turn.
Furthermore, this talking business should be discussed at the player's meeting and the players should be warned in advance that talking is no longer tolerated.
There are a few exeptions but it is generally understood that a non-shooting player may call a ball frozen, call a referee etc. My whine is about players making unnecessary chit-chat, whether it is designed to shark an opponent, to be friendly, or to let off a little tension.
JoeyA
Personally, I would like to see a rule in pocket billiards which states that the PLAYER is required to call fouls on themselves.
Additionally, a referee should of course be able to call fouls on either player.
Even more so, I think referees should take a pro-active approach to pocket billiards and when an opponent is talking TO ANYONE, while it is the other player's turn (whether that person is at the table or getting ready to come to the table, shooting a shot, preparing to shoot a shot ----you get the idea, the referee should tell the non-shooter that talking is not allowed when it not your turn at the table. A second warning comes with a penalty. A third warning becomes loss of game. A fourth warning and it is loss of match.
There is no need for non-shooting players to be flapping their gums when it is not their turn.
Furthermore, this talking business should be discussed at the player's meeting and the players should be warned in advance that talking is no longer tolerated.
There are a few exeptions but it is generally understood that a non-shooting player may call a ball frozen, call a referee etc. My whine is about players making unnecessary chit-chat, whether it is designed to shark an opponent, to be friendly, or to let off a little tension.
JoeyA
Williebetmore, while in the past I have agreed with you in you eloquent responses---there are three sides to this situation.
1. Integrity is important and I highly respect it. I play by the rules and do not bend them.
2. Players on both sides of the game have a responsibility to pay attention and to KNOW the rules. Not all sports have a tradition of calling penalties on yourself. (Golf vs. football)
3. The third side of this situation is: What is the rule? The WPA and the BCA have not addressed this. AND THEY SHOULD.
Just to make this clear, I call fouls on myself but I believe it is the opponents responsibility to pay attention to the game. If a player does not elect to call them on her/his self it is not a lack of character, it's just playing the game. If it is important to the players they should agree on the self made rule before play begins.
Now from a One Pocket perspective: there may be times a player could call a foul on her/him self to gain an advantage. These some of the subtleties of One Pocket and it may be why experienced One Pocket players have a different perspective on this. It is a different game.
With all due respect.
Not a surprise
Mark, I'm proud of your wife Sunny too, but not surprised. You have been a very honorable part of the national pool community for many years and I know you would have called the foul on yourself, as she did. Well done, Mrs. Griffin....:thumbup:
Mark, I'm proud of your wife Sunny too, but not surprised. You have been a very honorable part of the national pool community for many years and I know you would have called the foul on yourself, as she did. Well done, Mrs. Griffin....:thumbup:
Truly not surprising at all. One of the reasons why Sunny is such a class act all the way.
That is some real sportsmanship...Orrr sportswomanship lol.... Goooo Sunny!!! Good luck to her in future events
An opponent can have their view blocked by the player shooting and therefore not be able to see something like an elbow accidentally touching a ball. And many tournaments dictate that you remain seated while your opponent shoots. It's unrealistic to have a ref at every match in every tournament in every city.
I think your argument is contradictory... if, as you state, there is no rule on calling fouls on yourself, then not calling a foul on yourself when you have actually fouled is, and can only be, a lack of character. What else would it be?
If there is no rule (which I'm not sure is even the case... but I don't know for sure), character is all that drives us. With no character to be honest when the rules of a tournament say "all ball fouls", then what is stopping you from calling a foul on yourself?
Your attitude and outlook on this topic is just a synonym for dishonesty. And that, by definition, is a lack of character.
JMHO.
Ray
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One word...Integrity. It goes a long way. I would rather be respected than win a match due to a lack of integrity.
Carl
The Easter weekend was the only date in the first half of the year that worked with all scheduals, host site (remember they brought in all 9 ft Diamonds), mens and womens pro events. If you wopuld like a more detailed answer I am speaking to Zack this week and will be glad to bring it up
Thanks Kennan Keffe
In my experience with the OB cues womens tour, I have seen many times were a player would call a foul on themselves, I wish more players in all aspects of billiards would have the same integrity that Sunny shows.
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Love the Wabbit picture!!!!Ain't love grand! Nothing better than being proud of your other half! :smiling-heart:
Good for Sunny!
BTW, I'm not sure if this has been addressed on the forum yet, but does anybody find it odd that this tournament is happening on Easter weekend, to include Easter Day?
I guess in the pool world, holidays such as this don't mean as much as they might in other fields, but I do find it kind of unusual to schedule a tournament on a high holy day. Then again, I'm working today myself. LOL
Thanks all. Next time I won't be so careless and just WIN
S.G.
Sunny, had you not touched that ball you might or might not have won that match.
But by calling the foul on yourself you definitely won in the only match that counts.
Good job and great success in your game and in your life.
Ron
Awesome .....!