A history of Trudeau

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This is an email that I received last night:

As the father of one of the unpaid pool players, I recently received a document that outlines the past of the IPT founder, Kevin Trudeau. It is a very disturbing look into the past of the man who is now making promises. He has made promises before. Take a look. I will number the footnotes and will put them underneath the first reference. From then on I will use only the number to reference that same footnote.

“In the mid 1980’s Trudeau was a consultant for Consumer Express, a multilevel marketing group that later merged with Nutrition for Life to form Nutrition for Life International, Inc. (1) From: Michael Davis, “He Brings Trouble, Growth”, The Houston Chronicle, 1996.

NOTE: Multilevel marketing programs become illegal pyramid schemes when their incentives stem from signing up more members rather than actually selling products or services.

In 1990 Trudeau filed for Chapter 13 bankruptcy in Dallas. (1)

Also in 1990 Trudeau posed as a doctor to increase his credibility with a bank and deposited $80,000 in false checks. He later pled guilty to larceny and spent 21 days in jail. (2) From: The Skeptic’s Dictionary and (3) Michael Davis, “Nutrition Suit: Firm is a Pyramid Scheme”, Houston Chronicle, April 17, 1996.

In 1991 Trudeau pled guilty in Boston Federal District Court to credit card fraud after using his Mega Memory customer’s credit card numbers for his own purposes. (4) From: “Nutrition for Life’s Top Recruiter Has a Criminal Past: Despite Convictions, Trudeau Gets New Distributors to Fork Out the Cash”, The Wall Street Journal, January 19, 1996.

While serving prison time for two years in Boran Federal Penitentiary in Southern California Trudeau met his future NFLI business associate, Jules Lieb, who was serving time for conspiracy. (1)

In 1994 Trudeau became a business partner for NFLI and in March of 1995 began marketing distributorships for them. (1)

In September of 1995 NFLI posted sales of over $32 million, up from $17.6 million in 1994. Trudeau was given stock options that held paper profits of more than $11 million.

In April of 1996 NFLI disclosed that it was being investigated by the SEC for how it recruited dealers to sell it’s products and how it signed up distributors. That same month Trudeau was rewarded with $3 million from NFLI for recruiting thousands of new distributors. At the same time KPMG Peat Marwick resigned as NFLI auditors without explanation. (3)

On April 17, 1996, under the Illinois Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Practices Act, the Illinois Attorney General filed suit against Trudeau and Lieb charging them with running an illegal pyramid scheme with NFLI and another multilevel marketer, Nightingale Conant. On April 24th NFLI stock lost approximately half of it’s value.(1)

In July of 1996 Trudeau and Lieb made out-of-court settlements with eight states that had accused them of running illegal pyramid schemes. Part of that settlement was a cash payment of $185,000. (5) From: “Nutrition for Life Expanding to Britain”, The Houston Chronicle, August 7, 1996.

That same year Trudeau was banned from operating in the state of Michigan. (1)

On August 23rd, 1996, a Texas class action lawsuit charged Trudeau and other NFLI executives with misrepresenting and/or omitting material information concerning NFLI’s business, marketing, sales and earnings. The suit was settled when NFLI agreed to pay $2 million in cash to individuals who purchased common stock and warrants in the company during the class period. NFLI also agreed to pay $60 thousand to the plaintiff’s attorneys for their fees. (2)

In 1998 the FTC charged Trudeau with making false or misleading claims relating to six of his infomercials. (7) From: Kevin Trudeau excerpt from Wikipedia. Trudeau was forced to pay $500,000 in fines to the FTC, was barred from making false claims for products in the future, and was made to put aside another $500,000 to assure compliance.

In August of 1998 NFLI dropped Trudeau because of a decreasing sales force and negative publicity brought about by his criminal history. NFLI bought Trudeau’s stock and warrants for approximately $450 thousand. NFLI CFO David Rodrigue reported that Trudeau’s negative comment about the company and lawsuits against the company and the salesmen left independent distributors disenchanted. (6) From: Jenalia Moreno, “Trudeau’s Only a Mega Memory Now: Nutrition For Life Drops Infomercial Salesman”, The Houston Chronicle, August 20, 1998.

In June of 2003 the FTC filed complaints against Trudeau for fraudulent and unsubstantiated disease claims concerning coral calcium. The FTC additionally filed a complaint that Trudeau violated the former FTC order. (8) From: FTC Press Release, September 7, 2004. In July of that same year Trudeau entered into a stipulated preliminary injunction prohibiting him from making the challenged coral calcium claims. (8) The following month Trudeau was fined for violating the July injunction when he disseminated a direct mail piece and an infomercial making the prohibited coral calcium claims. Trudeau was again ordered to cease all coral calcium marketing. (2)

In September of 2003 the FTC and Trudeau reached a settlement. (8) Trudeau must pay a $2million fine to the FTC. He was further banned from appearing in, producing, or disseminating future infomercials that advertise any type of product, service, or program to the public, except for truthful infomercials for informational publications.

In September of 2003 an infomercial selling “Natural Cures They Don’t Want You to Know About” debuts. (9) From: Salon.com, Christopher Dreher, “What Kevin Trudeau Doesn’t Want You to Know About”, July 26, 2005.

On February 28, 2005 Trudeau filed two separate lawsuits against the United States government, charging the FTC with publishing false and misleading information. In response, FTC attorney Daniel Kaufman said: “I would describe (Trudeau) as a habitual fraud artist. The simple fact is, once Kevin Trudeau stops lying to consumers, we will stop suing him.” (10,11) From (10) PRNewsire, Chicago, “National Consumer Advocate and FTC Critic Seeks End to Ongoing Retaliation”, Feb 28, 2005 and (11) “Many Say Natural Cures Claim Hard to Swallow”, ABCNEWS.com, March 1, 2005

In July of 2005, Trudeau’s “Natural Cures” became the NY Times #1 bestseller, nut is one of the most negatively criticized best-selling books in history. Health-fraud expert Dr. Stephen Barrret described Trudeau as “the undisputed king of false infomercial advertising.” (9)

END OF DOCUMENT

And this is the man whom everyone is now supposed to trust will pay them and to believe his promises? Tigers do not often change their stripes.
 
What amazes me is that even before reading this it was clear that KTs plan was to fund the IPT via this type of pyramid marketing (eg qualifiers). When you see this info as well its mind blowing that he managed to convince so many people otherwise. A truly talented if tainted guy.
 
And this is the man whom everyone is now supposed to trust will pay them and to believe his promises? Tigers do not often change their stripes


No, but they make a beautiful rug, if you kill and skin them just right... imo

Doug
( sharpening my filet knife - to loan out )
 
What amazes me is that anyone can digest that litany of sleaze, witness the current unfolding scam, and still implore others to have "patience" or "faith". I guess some people, after getting bitten by a rattlesnake will say "the snake was just having a bad day. Maybe when I stick my hand down his hole tomorrow, he'll be in a better mood. I'm not going to let the doommongers deter me from "believing". Everyone deserves another chance. You just have to stay positive"
 
What would the Affiliate program be considered, MLM or a pyrimad scheme? You would get $20 for every person you sign up, if they pay for a year of service. This is what KT is hawking on the home page of IPT. Nothing about upcoming Chicago tournament except for buy tickets.

scott
 
8-ball bernie said:
all i can say is i'm glad i didn't have to spend 2 grand to "qualify"


He used you and Linda and Colin and others to salt the mine and lure the others in. You guys were the bait.
 
No Secret

jjinfla said:
Gee. This is bad. Why didn't someone tell us all this right at the beginning?

Honestly, this info has been available for years.
 
People just do not want to believe the facts. They do not want to believe that they have been had.

Watch. This weekend poolrooms will still hold qualifiers and players will still show up to play in them.
 
Cuaba said:
Honestly, this info has been available for years.

It has?

But he looks like such a nice man. He has such a nice smile and he looked me right in the eyes when he was telling me how good the IPT will be.

Surely, you must be mistaken. Why can't we give him another chance?
 
Yeah! He's consumer advocate, under a ruthless barrage of corrupt corporate and government conspirators. He's there for the little guy. He's trying to save you from cancer. He wants you to have hair. He desperately wants to help you eliminate chaos from your life. He's just super! Don't hate....
 
I can't imagine why anyone would want to owe a bunch of pool players money... isn't that kind of like committing suicide considering how many people paid for the qualifier? Chances are one of them knows how to collect money effectively...
I know some people personally who would be on his doorstep with their left hand out for money and the right hand holding a steel pipe.
 
Hierovision said:
I can't imagine why anyone would want to owe a bunch of pool players money... isn't that kind of like committing suicide considering how many people paid for the qualifier? Chances are one of them knows how to collect money effectively...
I know some people personally who would be on his doorstep with their left hand out for money and the right hand holding a steel pipe.

You may be right. He may have picked on the wrong crowd. Pool players are known for having someone collect on their bad debts. KT may have to hire a bigger bodyguard and stay out of poolrooms.
 
TheOne said:
What amazes me is that even before reading this it was clear that KTs plan was to fund the IPT via this type of pyramid marketing (eg qualifiers). When you see this info as well its mind blowing that he managed to convince so many people otherwise. A truly talented if tainted guy.


How would funding a professional tour through qualifiers be a pyramid scheme?

As the IPT is laid out right now a player can only earn more money through better performance.

Traditionally Pyramid Schemes operate by promising a much greater return for no work other than the intital investment. The scheme relies on a broad base of "investors" so that the money can be rolled over. In the case of the IPT however the money from qualifiers is clearly taken in as part of the prize funds and the qualifcants have the opportunity to earn huge multiples over their intital investment, but only if they perform. I have never heard of a pyramid scheme that works when the marks are told that not only do they have to invest some money but they need to also do a task better than the best in the world in order to get the promised return.

Having a broad base of players playing qualifiers/satellites to fund the tour would be a great way to do it if the base is broad enough. The problem with the IPT however is that they failed to realie that there are very few players worldwide who have the talent and moreover, the money to support $2000 entry fees into qualifiers. If the entry fees were $200 then there might just be a broad enough base there.

Currently, the APA Nationals are funded exactly the same way. Hundreds of thousands of players compete for a set period of time to determine which teams can compete at city and regional levels, (i.e. qualifiers) to then determine which teams get to go to nationals. The broad base of players pays for the best players to compete in Vegas. The APA is not regarded as a pyramid scheme. Is it?
 
jay helfert said:
You may be right. He may have picked on the wrong crowd. Pool players are known for having someone collect on their bad debts. KT may have to hire a bigger bodyguard and stay out of poolrooms.

I can't see that helping him any. I also can't imagine how many enemies the guy must have, and how many he's earning with this non-payment of prize money.
 
Like someone said earlier, Deno may be hurt the worst. I went down a road like this years ago with a similar personality, they are like a drug, they make you enjoy your time with them so much, but what's worse, you believe em. Makes me appreciate how great a salesman Sigel was, and I by no means am I being derrogatory. Look at RA and his Velvet Foghorn tactics, masters, praise the lord and pass the tray.;) :D :D :D
 
Roadie said:
How would funding a professional tour through qualifiers be a pyramid scheme?

As the IPT is laid out right now a player can only earn more money through better performance.

Traditionally Pyramid Schemes operate by promising a much greater return for no work other than the intital investment. The scheme relies on a broad base of "investors" so that the money can be rolled over. In the case of the IPT however the money from qualifiers is clearly taken in as part of the prize funds and the qualifcants have the opportunity to earn huge multiples over their intital investment, but only if they perform. I have never heard of a pyramid scheme that works when the marks are told that not only do they have to invest some money but they need to also do a task better than the best in the world in order to get the promised return.

Having a broad base of players playing qualifiers/satellites to fund the tour would be a great way to do it if the base is broad enough. The problem with the IPT however is that they failed to realie that there are very few players worldwide who have the talent and moreover, the money to support $2000 entry fees into qualifiers. If the entry fees were $200 then there might just be a broad enough base there.

Currently, the APA Nationals are funded exactly the same way. Hundreds of thousands of players compete for a set period of time to determine which teams can compete at city and regional levels, (i.e. qualifiers) to then determine which teams get to go to nationals. The broad base of players pays for the best players to compete in Vegas. The APA is not regarded as a pyramid scheme. Is it?

where I beleive he crossed the line and it went wrong was when he realised the qualifiers from one tournament couldn't fund that event alone. WHat they then started to do was hold qualifiers for future events before earlier events had even started. The open events where pushed back 6 months and he packed this time with various qualifiers (tour card and US Open). Then even BEFORE the US Open took place he had the 1st round of World Open qualifiers. Next he held several rounds of 2007 tour card qualifiers BEFORE paying Reno or even half the season had been completed. The entry and number of qualifiers where also increased (it was originally bottom 50 card holders AND 50 qualifiers NOT 200 to go to the 2007 end of year card qualifiers).

Therefore IMO he was using qualifier revenue from multiple events to fund a single event as he failed to hit projections on qualifier entries. This is pyramid in nature as sooner or later it comes crashing down as its not sustainable. In addition the only people that are set to gain are the players that got in from the start and won big in vegas, all the late comer qualifiers set to lose big. Yes some skill involved but don't kid yourself into thinking this wasn't the plan from the outset. What has happened to the 2 year guaranteed prize money? What happened to the Uk event?

PS
I didn't say pyramid scheme! ;)
 
1] Yes, it is true that the IPT did intentionally select some shortstops. Sigel, Deno et al...they're not stupid. They know who's good and who's not.

We've discussed this at least in 3-4 threads that the qualifiers would not have been anywhere near as successful if the IPT was truly the 150 best pool players on the face of the Earth. The risk becomes to great for the semi-pros. The fact that the IPT has some completely worthless players completely enticed hundreds of players to participate in qualifiers trying to get that tour-card and that BS fantasy $100,000 guarantee.

2] I don't think the IPT was a great pyramid scheme. Although, now that I look back, there was an awfully BIG emphasis on qualifiers and KT kept telling players about referrals. Add that to the fact that KT was trying to model Poker in a way and might have thought that the perception of huge payouts in tournaments would bring out the masses to compete in qualifiers. Well, pool is not poker. Pool takes years to learn and few master it. Poker is a joke, which is why complete no-names win big tournaments. Sigel, Deno and others who advised KT surely would have told him that a pool base large enough to participate in qualifiers to generate revenue for the IPT in that way just doesn't exist. Therefore, this wasn't the intent. Couldn't have been.



Now, the qualifiers feeding into the payment of the IPT pros could have been in a slight way like a Ponzi scheme kind of. Hoping that qualifier dollars would pay a huge part of the IPT winnings and expenses, while KT makes the money off the TV side of the business. He already has the TV infrastructure in place, a lot of the Natural Cures resources could easily be used to produce the IPT.



If I had to guess, I'd guess that KT simply wanted to create the illusion of profitability and the illusion that pool is on the verge of breaking out and being the next big thing. He might have done it if the Ho deal is real. Build a tour, popularize it, get a lot of buzz going, make it look fancy, big payouts, professional production and TV show - and hope some investor bites. In the meantime, try as hard as possible to not use your own money or as little of it as possible.
 
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