A (hopefully) more analytical approach re: Is pool a sport?

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The issue of whether pool is a sport pops up on AZB from time to time and everyone seems to have an opinion but, with some exceptions discussed later, there is seldom any analysis beyond, “Yeah, of course it’s a sport” and “Oh no, it’s not.” I wanted to re-open that discussion with what is hopefully a bit more analysis while acknowledging that at the end of the day, it’s all just opinion anyway. Full disclosure, I’m just a league banger who’s played pool all his life and feels like I have a good night if I break and run a single rack. I know there are many people with much more knowledge of the game than myself who insist that pool is a sport, but, for the reasons below, I respectively disagree.

To get beyond the yes it is/no it’s not kind of responses, you have to establish in the first instance the criteria for defining sport generally and, only then determine if pool meets those criteria. These are two different arguments. Without reference to pool, what is “sport”? I’ve not looked it up in Webster’s or Wikipedia but here is my stab at what I believe, from a traditional sense, would constitute a sport. I don’t argue that these are exhaustive or set in stone but they seem a good starting point. A sport is:

1. A contest;
2. Between individuals or teams;
3. With the outcome determined by an objective scoring system (points, times, etc.);
4. With an emphasis on overall physical skills or prowess, to include:
- Strength
- Speed/quickness
- Endurance
- Muscular coordination, with an emphasis on gross motor skills, but including hand/eye coordination and vision
- Reflexes
- Balance

The factors in #4 are the crux of the issue here. The emphasis placed on any of those factors obviously depends on the sport but, to be reasonably defined as a sport, it seems to me the endeavor would have to include at least a large majority, and arguably all, of these factors.

Those that believe pool is a sport almost always fall back on the idea that it involves good hand/eye coordination and it certainly does. If, however, it is conceded that a sport should include some or all of these other criteria, what other boxes does pool check? Certainly it involves a modicum of strength, but not in the sense that we typically think of in sports. A physically very weak person could play a credible game of pool. The same goes with the other criteria.

I’ll concede that a technical argument for pool meeting these other criteria could be made (e.g., walking around a pool table at 3:00 a.m. after eight matches on two hours of sleep can show endurance) but it’s also fair to raise the issue of how society has traditionally and practically assessed things such as strength, endurance , etc. in the context of sport. It seems to me, pool just doesn‘t meet that kind of traditional consideration.

For the hand/eye coordination proponents, they let that argument completely swamp all other considerations. If that is the claim for saying pool is a sport, then you could just as easily give two seventy-five year old grandmothers a roll of yarn, a couple of knitting needles and put them on the clock; best Granny wins. Is that a sport? You’ve got to have more than simple hand/eye coordination and maybe a technical nod to some of the traditional notions of sport to call something a sport.

I’ll also concede that my criteria may imply the disqualification of other endeavors from being called a sport, including some that have been recognized as such for decades and are included in the Olympics. Marksmanship and maybe archery come to mind. Even gymnastics (no objective scoring) would be open to dispute. In these instances, however, I’d allow for giving a nod to tradition.

One final thought. I suspect that for many proponents of pool as a sport, the discussion doesn’t so much center around the nature of the activity as how they wish to perceive themselves. People who play games are merely game players. People who play sports are athletes and that is something admired in our culture. People naturally like to see themselves as athletes. A pool player may well be an athlete, but if he is, it’s not because he plays pool.

Just the opinion of one SL 6 APA banger. Thanks and feel free to weigh in.
 
I think you're right in your analysis.

But I don't think it's quite a 'game' either (using the traditional game-sport split). So it's either in the gray area between the two, or we need another category.
 
I don't think to be a sport and activity requires extreme physical exertion. e.g., basketball is definitely a sport, but that should not be the standard applied to determine whether other activities are sports.

Baseball is a sport, but tell me a 40-yr old lumbering, overweight DH is really an athlete. I mean, he is, but his value is in hand-eye coordination and reflexes.

Archery and target shooting are great comparisons. Anyone who thinks those are sports would have a tough time drawing a definitional line between either of those activities and pool.

I think pool is a sport. It is also a game. I wouldn't quite go around calling pool players "professional athletes" but that's just because the term suggests a different level of physical ability to that of the typical pool player.

I think the fact that this is a point of controversy reflects the limitations of our language, not any shortcomings (or, inherent advantages) in pool. Just a game? Also a sport? Well, it's fun, and that's what matters the most.
 
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1. A contest;
2. Between individuals or teams;
3. With the outcome determined by an objective scoring system (points, times, etc.);
4. With an emphasis on overall physical skills or prowess, to include:
- Strength
- Speed/quickness
- Endurance
- Muscular coordination, with an emphasis on gross motor skills, but including hand/eye coordination and vision
- Reflexes
- Balance
Using this criteria, Jacks and pick-up-sticks might be construed as a sport.

My opinion is that GAMES are played by various degrees of normal people, some better than others at any particular game. Whereas SPORTS are contested between athletes, with physical attributes that give them the ability to rise above most competitors.

When folks like Danny Basavich, the Miz in his later years, Tony Ellin, Buddy Hall, and the list goes on and on can excel at a game where athleticism is not a neccessity, then that endeavor should be considered a game. I've seen footage of some of these larger players of yesteryear slugging down brewskies and puffing on those cancer sticks right in the middle of a match. No real ATHLETE does that. If an overweight slob can run racks and show up everyone in the pool hall, I cannot in my humble opinion consider pool a sport.

Just my opinion. No need to get nasty.
 
Great thread, especially the original post. I don't know the answer. I've called it both a game and a sport at times.

As we know, however, the International Olympic Committee recognized pool as a sport over 20 years ago, making it a possible future Olympic sport.

It's a fine line.
 
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Using this criteria, Jacks and pick-up-sticks might be construed as a sport.

My opinion is that GAMES are played by various degrees of normal people, some better than others at any particular game. Whereas SPORTS are contested between athletes, with physical attributes that give them the ability to rise above most competitors.

When folks like Danny Basavich, the Miz in his later years, Tony Ellin, Buddy Hall, and the list goes on and on can excel at a game where athleticism is not a neccessity, then that endeavor should be considered a game. I've seen footage of some of these larger players of yesteryear slugging down brewskies and puffing on those cancer sticks right in the middle of a match. No real ATHLETE does that. If an overweight slob can run racks and show up everyone in the pool hall, I cannot in my humble opinion consider pool a sport.

Just my opinion. No need to get nasty.
While I largely agree, it's worth noting that there are many example of very heavy players in golf (John Daly, Haley Moore, etc) and baseball (Mo Vaughn, John Kruk, etc). Any of them could show up everyone at the course or on the field. And Daly, for one, has admitted to drinking during competition. Are golf and baseball not sports?
 
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I went a baseball game just a day before I watched the Olympic Games.
So to get us to the Olympics, I don’t think the semantics will stop us.
 
While I largely agree, it's worth noting that there are many example of very heavy players in golf (John Daly, Haley Moore, etc) and baseball (Mo Vaughn, John Kruk, etc). Any of them could show up everyone at the course or on the field. And Daly, for one, has admitted to drinking during competition. Are golf and baseball not sports?
Great points! And yes, golf and baseball are sports. I consider the greatest of all sports to be those where only one single competitor vies against another single competitor, man or woman. Tennis is one of the ultimate sports. Golf I consider a sport even though at the professional level some poor guy has to lug around the clubs, chart the distances and contours of the greens, and many times are in the mix of proper club usage. What makes it a sport IMHO is that it's up to the golfer to make the shots without ZERO excuse for not executing properly. He makes the shots or he's going home a loser (except for the payout where you can finish in 20th place and get thousands).
 
Great topic. For me anything can be game or sport depending on how you are participating in it. I tend to blend strategy, preparation, physical skill (of any kind), and competition with the notion of sport. I've played competitive sports, baseball, basketball, football and golf at various levels from little league through high school and I've coached a few sports as well over the years.

If you only ever get together with your friends and play baseball for fun in your backyard, then you are playing a game. If you go to the batting cage and work on your hitting or take grounders for hours or work on your pitching and work on where you are supposed to be offensively or defensively in a given situation, because you want to compete. Now you are in the realm of sport.
 
First of all I would say that it doesn't really matter. The argument isn't really about whether pool is a sport, the argument is about what is the exact definition of a sport.

I would say it is a sport, because it requires a physical action to play it. As opposed to say chess or poker, which do not. You could play chess or poker by not physically moving at all, and telling someone else what action to make for you, and it would be the same. Or another way to look at it, you could play chess/poker online and it is the same game as playing live.

Another thing I would say, is that pool is just as much of a sport as golf or curling, which (I think?) most people consider sports.
 
First of all I would say that it doesn't really matter. The argument isn't really about whether pool is a sport, the argument is about what is the exact definition of a sport.

I would say it is a sport, because it requires a physical action to play it. As opposed to say chess or poker, which do not. You could play chess or poker by not physically moving at all, and telling someone else what action to make for you, and it would be the same. Or another way to look at it, you could play chess/poker online and it is the same game as playing live.

Another thing I would say, is that pool is just as much of a sport as golf or curling, which (I think?) most people consider sports.

Interestingly, on golf forums the same question comes up with respect to Golf. Sport or game.

I tend to offer that people only need to look at the physicality of the top golfers in the world these days compared to those 30 or 40 years ago to understand how important physical conditioning really is.

While there are certainly some exceptions, some of the same can be said for pool. In order to perform at the highest levels, it takes mental and physical stamina. Not necessarily at Olympic triathlete level, but nevertheless…

Sport or game? Do we honestly care?
 
Anything can be a sport if there are players that are dedicated to exceeding at it. I think pro scrabble players are playing a "sport".
To me that is really the only distinction between the two past symantics, like what is a motor and what is an engine? Sometimes it does not matter, and one is the same as the other. You still play a "game of basketball", you don't ask someone "hey, want to play the sport of basketball at the playground?".

Games = fun things you bring out at parties or to spend time doing.
Sport = training to beat other people to be one of the top participants.

Esports, guys sitting at a chair clicking a mouse. It's called a sport however, and I do agree with them more of less, because they train had and need skill to do what they do, quick reflexes, good memory, striving to win.

The difference is maybe action sports like tennis, surfing, baskeball and more sedentary sports such as pool, air hockey, table games.
 
First of all I would say that it doesn't really matter. The argument isn't really about whether pool is a sport, the argument is about what is the exact definition of a sport.

I would say it is a sport, because it requires a physical action to play it. As opposed to say chess or poker, which do not. You could play chess or poker by not physically moving at all, and telling someone else what action to make for you, and it would be the same. Or another way to look at it, you could play chess/poker online and it is the same game as playing live.

Another thing I would say, is that pool is just as much of a sport as golf or curling, which (I think?) most people consider sports.
But the argument is twofold: 1) What is a sport; and 2) However a sport is defined, does pool meet enough of those criteria to be considered a sport. These are two separate questions but you can’t get to the second without answering the first.

When you say that “it [pool] is a sport, because it requires physical action to play,” you seem to indicate that physical action alone can make any given action a sport. In that case essentially anything becomes a sport because, in this context, everything requires physical exertion. If a watchmaker has to put together random parts to make a watch it requires physical action. It‘s hard to call that a sport. Does it become a sport if he can put it together faster than the next guy? Not many would say it would. Do you call it a contest? Certainly. A game? Maybe. This is why in my original proposed definition I said that there must be an emphasis on gross motor skills, strength, speed, etc. These are traditionally contemplated in describing sports and remove the possibility of ”sports” including watchmakers or my grandmothers with knitting needles. But pool doesn’t fundamentally rely on most of them. I’ll admit, my examples move toward the trivial and silly but if any kind of physical exertion or, as more typically argued, hand/eye coordination, makes pool a sport then so too can almost anything become a sport. The whole term then loses any practical meaning.

And let me be the first to admit, hell no, it doesn’t really matter. Just kinda fun to knock around the idea.
 
Interestingly, on golf forums the same question comes up with respect to Golf. Sport or game.

I tend to offer that people only need to look at the physicality of the top golfers in the world these days compared to those 30 or 40 years ago to understand how important physical conditioning really is.

While there are certainly some exceptions, some of the same can be said for pool. In order to perform at the highest levels, it takes mental and physical stamina. Not necessarily at Olympic triathlete level, but nevertheless…

Sport or game? Do we honestly care?
I don’t play golf but I’d come down pretty firmly on it being a sport what with the power of swings utilizing almost the whole body but I see the argument.

As for, “Sport or game? Do we honestly care?” Nah, not really. Just a fun discussion.
 
Those who are saying “who cares” may sound flippant, but I think it’s a fair question and important to answer in the discussion. Why does the distinction matter? And why should this discussion take place?

I have noticed that everyone has their own personal definition of a sport and it is usually carefully constructed to include their favourite sports.
 
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