A Nugget From "Little" Joe's Kicking DVD...The 2-Rail Kicking System

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I just got off the phone with “Little” Joe & we had a discussion about this THREAD. He can't hide the pride he gets from threads like that. I've known Joe for quite a while now & he is genuinely thrilled when people benefit from what he teaches...he's gives so much to the local players & those that buy his DVDs.

Here's another example of Joe's giving nature...Joe has asked me to demonstrate how his 2-rail kicking system works...right here on AZB. I am CONFIDENT that you will be highly-motivated to seek out his coaching or DVDs after this...

The first two diagrams will demonstrate how we calculate (as Joe says: why shoot a guess shot, when you can shoot a calculated shot?) a 2-rail kick using his incredibly powerful system.

First, we need to determine the position of our target & assign it a number. In diagram 2, our target is the pocket marked “D”, which is defined as 7.5 in Joe’s system. It is important to note that the corner pocket is ALWAYS 7.5. The “A” CB is one diamond away from pocket “D” along the short rail, so it is assigned the number 8.5. The “B” CB is one diamond away from pocket “D” along the long rail, so it is assigned the number 6.5. We count by 1’s along these rails…1 diamond adds/subtracts 1 to our target.

Second, we need to determine our CB position & assign it a number. In this example, our “CB” is the 4B which is coincidentally (I was thinking ahead!) four diamonds from the end rail (or corner pocket “F”). In summary, we count the number of diamonds we are away from the corner pocket.

We are nearly there…our last effort is to calculate our target on the first-rail. We start counting by 2’s starting at pocket “C” after we’ve added one to our previous answer (4+1=5 in this case). We find the target on the rail that corresponds to 7.5…and shoot with 10 o’clock, 3rd circle english.

With a little practice, this calculation will become second nature & you will be hitting balls anywhere on the table.

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If you have any questions, please...PLEASE call the man himself.
First, I don't want people to think I am taking ANY credit for his system nor do I want people to think I had anything to do with its development. It's his baby & he deserves all the accolades.
 
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In this example, I am going to demonstrate how we hit another target from a new starting position. In this case, we are going to kick from the 3rd diamond (coincidentally denoted by the 3B :)) and hit the “A” CB which is on the “8.5” diamond. We find the 8.5 target on the first-rail & fire away with 10 o’clock english.

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In this example, I am going to demonstrate how we hit the same target from the same starting position…but with an interfering OB. In this case, we can’t kick to the 8.5 target on the first-rail because the 15B is on that line. Here’s where the REAL power of Joe’s system comes alive. We can chose to move 1 number up the rail and simply adjust the spin on the “CB” to get back on line. We’ve chosen the 7.5 target on the first-rail (which is 1 number away from our original target) so we ADD 1 hour to our English…we fire away at 7.5 with 11 o’clock english.

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In this example, I am going to demonstrate how we hit yet another target from a new starting position. In this case, we are going to kick from the 2nd diamond (coincidentally denoted by the 2B :)) and hit the “B” CB which is on the “6.5” diamond.

Instead of just going for a (full) hit on the “B” CB, we are now going to turn our attention to MAKING the ball! We note that if we hit the third-rail at 6.3-6.4 we will cut the “B” CB in. We find the 6.3 target on the first-rail & fire away with 10 o’clock english. You will be shocked by how routinely the ball can be potted.

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Now that we’ve proven that you can kick accurately from side-rail to a pocket or to a specific target on a short or long-rail…what do we do in the real world where the balls are nowhere near a rail? We use these same simple principles to make the hit! In our final example, our opponent has played a dastardly safe on us…but we are not deterred, we KNOW we will make the hit.

Please note that the “A” & “B” CBs are not actual balls on the table & are only used to illustrate the calculation of the kicking target.

Also, I’ve added notes along the right edge of the drawing showing how the numbers on the first-rail change for a given CB position. Because the “A” & “B” CBs are ½ diamond apart, the corner pocket starts at 5.0 & 4.5, respectively.

Do you see the light?!?!?

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Joe has SQUANDERED his retirement fund.

Joe, Joe, Joe. I don't know what to say. This is really too much.

You have not only opened the hen house door, the hens have scattered and now the fox will be eating all of the unguarded eggs. What am I going to do with you?

I told you, these DVDs are GOLD and you are letting the fox eat the GOLDEN EGGS without paying a toll. Oh my oh my Joe. What am I going to do with you?

Aieeeeeeeeee!
 
If it makes you feel better, Joey...no one seems to be recognizing what is shown above. Maybe they are out trying the system instead of posting here?!?!
 
I have heard from very highly respected people here on the forums about the DVD and what you walk away with after watching it. I would like to thank you for posting and Joe for letting you put some information out there.

Knowledge is power. One thing I read I could relate to is to the whole guessing the shot. Crap shoot most of the time.
 
What shot speed are we talking here for this system? Doesn't shot speed affect rebound angles? Thanks.
 
Man that Joe will give away the store if you let him. I just did a refresher course and I am ready for DCC. See you guys there.
 
How does that differ from the plus 2 system?
The Plus 2 is 9:00 English approx. 2nd Circle. Ceulemans says maximum spin. We're also talking pool tables. Most play as shown.

Look at the first diagram and the 5 ball line. Plus 2 says the 5 goes into the corner pocket.

There are several numbering systems for 2 rail kicks, Joe devised this kick system for pool and its accurate.

Get the CB Control DVD for another eye opener. Once I have a table down and my stroke for that table, combining
what Joe showed me and other clock systems I already used I'm threading needles and is a major part of my 3C game.

Thanks again Joe and promise to call you next time.
 
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Thanks, 3kushn for fielding that question.

Also, typical kicking systems are limited in that they force you to use the same lines & same spin each time...Joe took it to a whole new level when he perfected the use of a clock system to (easily) alter those paths in a predictable & consistent manner.

Now, we can work around interfering balls instead of being stymied by them.
 
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I have one more question. Is the aim point on the first rail the diamond or the actual contact point of the CB at the rail. I am assuming that you mean to sight your aim for the calculated diamond or fraction thereof, not the actual contact point on the rail. Is this the case? Thanks again.
 
Now that we’ve proven that you can kick accurately from side-rail to a pocket or to a specific target on a short or long-rail…what do we do in the real world where the balls are nowhere near a rail? We use these same simple principles to make the hit! In our final example, our opponent has played a dastardly safe on us…but we are not deterred, we KNOW we will make the hit.

Please note that the “A” & “B” CBs are not actual balls on the table & are only used to illustrate the calculation of the kicking target.

Also, I’ve added notes along the right edge of the drawing showing how the numbers on the first-rail change for a given CB position. Because the “A” & “B” CBs are ½ diamond apart, the corner pocket starts at 5.0 & 4.5, respectively.

Do you see the light?!?!?

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I have this DVD and I love his systems.

In this example, are you not supposed to kick the "A" CB to the 8.5 position to hit 8.5 spot on the rail vice hitting the "A" CB to the 8.0 position and then hitting the 8.5 spot on the rail. A little confused.

Is that correct?

That is the portion of the system that I struggle with...when they are on the rail then I have no problems but when they are "real world" then I struggle a little more.
 
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I have one more question. Is the aim point on the first rail the diamond or the actual contact point of the CB at the rail. I am assuming that you mean to sight your aim for the calculated diamond or fraction thereof, not the actual contact point on the rail. Is this the case? Thanks again.

The diamond.

Looking at the answer below...maybe I have not been doing it correctly then.
 
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I have one more question. Is the aim point on the first rail the diamond or the actual contact point of the CB at the rail. I am assuming that you mean to sight your aim for the calculated diamond or fraction thereof, not the actual contact point on the rail. Is this the case? Thanks again.
Sorry, I see now that my diagrams are a little sloppy in this regard, but you are calculating the contact point on the rail...not the diamond itself. Go back & look at the 2nd diagram on page 1 (I drew that one pretty accurately). you will see that the 7.5 "diamond" is extended out onto the rail facing...and that's what you shoot at.

EDIT: When Joe & I were monkeying around with this system a few days ago, he was marking the cushion face as my target to hit. Also, Joe took a look at the illustrations before I posted them, so I think they're OK.
 
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This is just rock solid! I feel like I won the lottery. I gotta get these videos if there are more treats like this. Kudos to you.

Kai
 
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