I said nice job and I meant it, but I don't think I quoted anything that you said.
A Plea to Mike Howerton...
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I said nice job and I meant it, but I don't think I quoted anything that you said.
Oh not you necessarily. I meet dozens of people at various events that have quoted something I've said.
The pure absurdity of it astounds me. I thought we were better than that.
Lou Figueroa
If "we" were then there wouldn't be a need to even discuss a sub-forum for aiming.
But "we" like to call other people snake-oil salesmen and denigrate them in other ways and that leads "us" into an argument. If "we" could ignore such actions and let them slide into obscurity then "we" would be better off. But "we" like to argue more than we like to admit.
So for once, you are right, it's all on "us".
There are probably a few people on here that could read that out loud and benefit from saying it a few times a day. Substitute "I" for every "we" and "me" for every "us"
I like the idea of creating another sub forum for pool systems in general. Not just aiming systems. Kicking systems and whatever other pool systems there are. It does get really old seeing thread after thread after thread about aiming systems in the main forum.
John, regardless of bickering, those interested to learn more about these system have a better shot at it if the aiming discussions remain on the Main Forum. Those who you or I view as opposed to these particular systems will remain opposed. Those who truly want clarification ... they're now less apt to get it.
I know it's not abundantly clear but if we as believers are to spread the word, not only do we need non-believers to question us but we need it with the biggest stage.
In other word, there are no proponents without opponents. If we're going to puruade anyone, we need to be questioned.
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I don't think we need to persuade anyone. Those who want to learn it will make the effort.
What I don't get is the non-believers attempt to ridicule anyone associated with CTE/Pro1. If you don't believe in something say so and be on your way. Make your point with a measure of respect and everything is fine. The "tin-foil, the snake oil, delusional, kool-aid, " and other mean-spirited comments from the non-believers is just something I can't and won't stomach.
I doubt that type of "questioning" is going to solve any mysteries.
IN fact, I think I can do without the Inquisition...........................Who needs that crap, REALLY?I don't think we need to persuade anyone. Those who want to learn it will make the effort.
What I don't get is the non-believers attempt to ridicule anyone associated with CTE/Pro1. If you don't believe in something say so and be on your way. Make your point with a measure of respect and everything is fine. The "tin-foil, the snake oil, delusional, kool-aid, " and other mean-spirited comments from the non-believers is just something I can't and won't stomach.
I doubt that type of "questioning" is going to solve any mysteries.
Joey, what you mean is - some non-believers - not all. Personally, I don't care if some believe or not. As you said though use respect and be done with it.
Attacks come from both sides, I've seen it without cause. What I don't get is aiming appears to be like a religious belief to some of you. Its not all that different than the middle east. No guns and ammo but it is extreme. What I don't understand, whether you believe or not, why its so important. It makes as much sense as guys arguing about sports or my dad is better that yours. Kids stuff, but kids don't know any better.
Rod
The religious Inquisition ended hundreds of years ago yet with your Yeahsayer/Naysayer religious propaganda, you're clearly waging a modern day Inquisition with your incendiary attacks upon the Naysayers. Everyone should read the two postings shown below to see examples of the Inquisition campaign that the Yeahsayers are engaging in:I don't think we need to persuade anyone. Those who want to learn it will make the effort.
What I don't get is the non-believers attempt to ridicule anyone associated with CTE/Pro1. If you don't believe in something say so and be on your way. Make your point with a measure of respect and everything is fine. The "tin-foil, the snake oil, delusional, kool-aid, " and other mean-spirited comments from the non-believers is just something I can't and won't stomach.
I doubt that type of "questioning" is going to solve any mysteries.
JoeyA's ad hominem threatening attacks, intimidation and insulting response to Roger Long (11-20-2011 http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3315816&postcount=11 ) :
rOGER,
The naysayers have been the thorn in this forum's eye for YEARS.
Maybe once the naysayers see that they are called to task for their despicable behavior, they will be more civil to the Gene Albrechts, Hal Houles and Stan Shuffetts of the world.
The naysayers deserve far worse than just reminding them of what they have done to this forum.
Roger you seem far more tolerant to names and references like snake-oil salesmen, delusional, stupid, tin-foil hats, spammers, and hucksters than you are to the description of the people who hate on others. If it seems like I am being a little hard on the naysayers, that is your perception.
My naysayers chant is here to stay as a reminder to the haters that their ad hominem attacks on members of this forum is not something that is to be tolerated.
As to you feeling like the naysayers chant is getting old, you can fix that quite easily. Put me on ignore. That would suit me just fine. That way you can go back to describing CTE/Pro One as a marketing ploy and you won't see my naysayer comments when you refer to that remarkable aiming system.
You of all people should be demanding that the naysayers apologize for their putrid attacks on good and decent people for the last 10 years, but no........ you would rather complain about some calling them what they really are.
My thoughts are that the naysayers have been tolerated too long. Maybe a regular reminder is just what they need to keep themselves in line. If it looks like I am being too hard on them, go back and read their hate messages, snide remarks and condescending attitude for years. If you don't find their comments offensive, then you must be a naysayer. If you do find their comments REPULSIVE, then why have you been silent for all this time?
Anyway, it's all good Roger.
GREAT POOL PLAYERS have stepped up to the plate and have documented that the things Gene teaches is GOLDEN. The next time a Gene Albrecht comes to the forum, selling an idea and a dream, maybe the haters will just make their one condescending remark and be on their way, allowing others who are interested in learning to learn from those who go out of their way to teach. We're all big boys and girls and can make up our own mind about what we want to believe and what we want to learn. We don't need a vigilante group of haters trying to ridicule good and decent people, who are trying to help others learn how to play pool better.
I'm still waiting for the naysayers to apologize but I know that's not forthcoming. Maybe my naysayer references will be enough to keep them from chasing off the next generation of aiming system proponents.
So Roger, if you don't like my use of the word naysayers, just delete the channel.
Personally, I think calling the naysayers out every so often makes them stay in line a little better. I've noticed the naysayers have quieted down just a little bit, so maybe it's working.
JoeyA's ad hominem attacks, intimidation and insulting response to Dr. Dave (11-28-2011 http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3327161&postcount=101 ) :
Dave,
The rest of the readers wonder why I am on the Naysayers azz so much and Lou's post and yours are a perfect example of why I continue to ride herd on the the Naysayers.
You and Lou don't mind sticking the needle in CTE users and "equating" some CTE users to Taliban terroists. (It's not funny)
Actually it is just another ad hominem attack on the users of CTE and the "joke" lacks not only humor but is void of character and class.
Masayoshi and a couple of the other other trolls whine why I give it back to the Naysayers and these are just a FEW EXAMPLES of why I make it a point to remind the Naysayers why they are outted on occasion.
I'm glad you and Lou think it is fun attempting to ridicule CTE users as terrorists. It must make you feel really good about yourselves.
The two of you deserve all of the douche-bag comments you get, imo.
The rest of the readers wonder why I am on the Naysayers azz so much and Lou's post and yours are a perfect example of why I continue to ride herd on the the Naysayers.
You and Lou don't mind sticking the needle in CTE users and "equating" some CTE users to Taliban terroists. (It's not funny)
Actually it is just another ad hominem attack on the users of CTE and the "joke" lacks not only humor but is void of character and class.
Masayoshi and a couple of the other other trolls whine why I give it back to the Naysayers and these are just a FEW EXAMPLES of why I make it a point to remind the Naysayers why they are outted on occasion.
I'm glad you and Lou think it is fun attempting to ridicule CTE users as terrorists. It must make you feel really good about yourselves.
The two of you deserve all of the douche-bag comments you get, imo.
LOL. Is this your (and Uncle Remus's) hint that TAR should have its own sticky?
pj
chgo
I agree with you which is why I said that if the moderation were properly done on this forum then there would be no need to move any of these topics to their own forums. I think it's VERY EASY to identify the antagonists and weed them out.
Other forums do this successfully. For whatever reason Mike and Jerry will not recruit more people to moderate. Doing that would also have the benefit of causing some of the members to be more responsible with their new duties making them as members less likely to go off.
But it's my opinion - after seeing it in action at several other forums - that more moderators means a civil forum.
A few times of getting their hands slapped will calm down both sides of any debate on here.
TheThaiger
Banned
Over-modded forums can be dreadful places, sometimes positively weird. Eric Arthur Blair would be spinning in his grave at some of them.
Less is more with moderation.
I agree. But I wasn't suggesting over-moderation. I am suggesting that this forum needs MORE moderation. With it the discussions will not bloom into full fledged flame wars and can still be spirited as people LEARN to debate without dragging each other through the mud.
TheThaiger
Banned
Yeah, but you & I would've been taken outside and shot long ago with less tolerant moderators.
Well, I find it comical that I can get along just fine on other forums where I don't get attacked by trolls like you. Not getting attacked means no need to defend and so no fight ensues.
With PROPER moderators you would have been gone long ago and my post count would be considerably less and the posts considerably better.