A Plea to Mike Howerton...

Well, I find it comical that I can get along just fine on other forums where I don't get attacked by trolls like you. Not getting attacked means no need to defend and so no fight ensues.

With PROPER moderators you would have been gone long ago and my post count would be considerably less and the posts considerably better.

Get real. You could start a fight in an empty room.
 
Well, I find it comical that I can get along just fine on other forums where I don't get attacked by trolls like you. Not getting attacked means no need to defend and so no fight ensues.

Just like on the one pocket forums.......

The fact that you take no responsibility for all the drama and BS you find yourself constantly in is about as suprising as someone telling me water is wet.
 
Just like on the one pocket forums.......

The fact that you take no responsibility for all the drama and BS you find yourself constantly in is about as suprising as someone telling me water is wet.

Yeah I know that if I don't respond to TROLLS then there would be no argument.

On the one pocket forum what did I do? I posted that I used an aiming system and that FOR ME it helped me to play one pocket. I detailed exactly WHY and HOW it helped ME.

That was it. I posted that and got FLAT OUT ATTACKED like I was desecrating Jersey Red's grave or something.

And I responded in kind.

I take responsibility for my part in dancing with trolls. However AS I SAID - on forums with PROPER moderation there are no trolls.

No trolls means that good folks aren't constantly being attacked and forced to choose between ignoring and defending. Good moderation tamps down arguments before they become flame wars and guides people to user their "better" side to debate their points. As a result the content is better and everyone stays friends.

Sorry that this is way over your head and you want to make it about ME but I know that's how my stalker club operates.
 
Get real. You could start a fight in an empty room.

It's not me starting them. I get along with just about everyone I meet in real life. I say yes sir, no sir, yes maam, no maam and am polite like my mama taught me. She also taught me not to take crap from people and so on here if I come across some one spreading false information then I speak up.

Maybe I shouldn't. But this is my industry, my career, and my passion so I will speak up whenever I feel like it.

At least with me people can put a face to a name and I stand behind any comments I make in real life as well as online.

Guys like you are simply trolls who get off on anonymously knocking others. it's not about whether you actually BELIEVE what you say, instead it's about saying whatever you think will get a rise out others. "Sensitive" people like me are great targets for people like you.

In a properly moderated forum people like me don't have to deal with people like you. Consequently what I say is less but informative and helpful.

People like you are the bane of all forums across the internet. What you put out is the equivalent of electronic garbage. Responding to it only adds to the garbage. Unfortunately people like me generally have to learn the hard way to allow statements from trolls to pass by in the same way that I would sidestep a crazy bum with tourettes and move along without a second thought.

So the answer for me personally is twofold, 1. it's nice to be in a place where the moderation takes out the trash whenever it appears. And 2. I have to learn to control myself not to address the trash and add to it.
 
Yeah I know that if I don't respond to TROLLS then there would be no argument.

On the one pocket forum what did I do? I posted that I used an aiming system and that FOR ME it helped me to play one pocket. I detailed exactly WHY and HOW it helped ME.

That was it. I posted that and got FLAT OUT ATTACKED like I was desecrating Jersey Red's grave or something.

And I responded in kind.

I take responsibility for my part in dancing with trolls. However AS I SAID - on forums with PROPER moderation there are no trolls.

No trolls means that good folks aren't constantly being attacked and forced to choose between ignoring and defending. Good moderation tamps down arguments before they become flame wars and guides people to user their "better" side to debate their points. As a result the content is better and everyone stays friends.

Sorry that this is way over your head and you want to make it about ME but I know that's how my stalker club operates.
Given that you're a forum bully, It's remarkable how you can piously preach to the choir about the virtues of banning trolls and anyone else who disagrees with you.

The issue isn't really about trolls. The issue is how you treat people who don't agree with you. Yesterday, in this post, http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3549593&postcount=179, I made the case for why I believe you are a forum bully. Here's another example of JB going completely over-the-top in violating the forum rules, this time in mocking, taunting and ridiculing a disabled Vietnam war veteran:

Originally Posted by JB Cases
Free tech support, free aiming system? Awesome. I just want to say that while I have a long way to go yet I tried this method and with my eyes closed I made 76% of the shots.

I would like to caution you about making public statements of visual prowess when that is the reason you are (presumably) drawing disability. Insurance companies and social security frowns on it when people are declared disabled and then later found to be doing things contrary to their declared disability. If I were a judge I'd really question how someone drawing disability payments could have the visual ability to not only imagine a fully formed sphere in space but then to line up to that imaginary ball well enough to make 98% of the makeable shots.

Have you showed off this ability to the people who declared you disabled?

I mean I think you're CURED!!!!! Hallelujah Ghost Ball!!! Although I have to say I have known a few folks who can't read a menu and they can shoot balls in like champions......

But surely if you can make balls with a 98% success rate then you can do lots of work and not get disability payments right? 56 is far too young to live on the dole in my opinion. Not for such a great man as yourself. You should be out there teaching pros how to pocket balls because I think your pocketing percentages are way higher than theirs. Well maybe not way higher but only missing 2 balls out of every hundred you face is amazingly strong.

I have a question though.

What is makeable for you?

Are you saying you can make all the shots diagrammed below from the cue ball position 98 out of 100 times?​


Frankly, I am embarrassed for the forum that this type of disrespectful behavior from JB is allowed to continue. One thing that so many people wonder about is why aren't the forum rules being enforced, especially the "three strikes and you're out rule"? Why are some posters getting preferential treatment on this?
 
Given that you're a forum bully, It's remarkable how you can piously preach to the choir about the virtues of banning trolls and anyone else who disagrees with you.

The issue isn't really about trolls. The issue is how you treat people who don't agree with you. Yesterday, in this post, http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3549593&postcount=179, I made the case for why I believe you are a forum bully. Here's another example of JB going completely over-the-top in violating the forum rules, this time in mocking, taunting and ridiculing a disabled Vietnam war veteran:

Originally Posted by JB Cases
Free tech support, free aiming system? Awesome. I just want to say that while I have a long way to go yet I tried this method and with my eyes closed I made 76% of the shots.

I would like to caution you about making public statements of visual prowess when that is the reason you are (presumably) drawing disability. Insurance companies and social security frowns on it when people are declared disabled and then later found to be doing things contrary to their declared disability. If I were a judge I'd really question how someone drawing disability payments could have the visual ability to not only imagine a fully formed sphere in space but then to line up to that imaginary ball well enough to make 98% of the makeable shots.

Have you showed off this ability to the people who declared you disabled?

I mean I think you're CURED!!!!! Hallelujah Ghost Ball!!! Although I have to say I have known a few folks who can't read a menu and they can shoot balls in like champions......

But surely if you can make balls with a 98% success rate then you can do lots of work and not get disability payments right? 56 is far too young to live on the dole in my opinion. Not for such a great man as yourself. You should be out there teaching pros how to pocket balls because I think your pocketing percentages are way higher than theirs. Well maybe not way higher but only missing 2 balls out of every hundred you face is amazingly strong.

I have a question though.

What is makeable for you?

Are you saying you can make all the shots diagrammed below from the cue ball position 98 out of 100 times?​


Frankly, I am embarrassed for the forum that this type of disrespectful behavior from JB is allowed to continue. One thing that so many people wonder about is why aren't the forum rules being enforced, especially the "three strikes and you're out rule"? Why are some posters getting preferential treatment on this?

Forum bully? Hardly. But knock yourself out.

There are millions of veterans who can't get care and lots of veterans that game the system. Same thing for regular people as well. So if anyone, veteran or not wants to attack me on a public forum and make disparaging, slanderous statements about me then they shouldn't brag about drawing disability when they can clearly function well enough to play pool and work.

Now, I am not proud of sinking to other people's level in this regard. But I am not the bully, I don't start the arguments.

You want to continue your research find the FIRST interaction between YOU and I. Post that and the forum can all see why trolls such as yourself need to be eliminated.

Since I took you to the woodshed verbally you have been attached to me like glue. Right now you occupy the position of stalker #1. But it's fine because you illustrate my point perfectly.
 
To summarize, then: people who disagree with you should be shot to save the forum from your tantrums.

Makes perfect Johnsense.

pj
chgo

No, people can disagree. What you do is not disagreement, it's trolling.

People who post ONLY to piss other people off are trolls. You are borderline because I know you are OCD about your belief that aiming is all feel.

Good moderators know what is trolling and what isn't and act accordingly.
 
Joey, what you mean is - some non-believers - not all. Personally, I don't care if some believe or not. As you said though use respect and be done with it.

Attacks come from both sides, I've seen it without cause. What I don't get is aiming appears to be like a religious belief to some of you. Its not all that different than the middle east. No guns and ammo but it is extreme. What I don't understand, whether you believe or not, why its so important. It makes as much sense as guys arguing about sports or my dad is better that yours. Kids stuff, but kids don't know any better.

Rod

Rod,
The only thing extreme about me is the defense of my friends and family when they are persecuted, mercilessly and unnecessarily for years at a time.

If you ever noticed, I really don't get into all of the "discussions" about CTE/Pro1. I simply share my experience with it and don't get vocal until I start hearing the repetitive, snide, arrogant, sly, mean-spirited comments about those I care about.
 
Personally, I for one am glad that poolsharkallen has mastered the term ad hominem.... I don't know how we could go on without him reminding us.
 
Given that you're a forum bully, It's remarkable how you can piously preach to the choir about the virtues of banning trolls and anyone else who disagrees with you.

The issue isn't really about trolls. The issue is how you treat people who don't agree with you. Yesterday, in this post, http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3549593&postcount=179, I made the case for why I believe you are a forum bully. Here's another example of JB going completely over-the-top in violating the forum rules, this time in mocking, taunting and ridiculing a disabled Vietnam war veteran:

Originally Posted by JB Cases
Free tech support, free aiming system? Awesome. I just want to say that while I have a long way to go yet I tried this method and with my eyes closed I made 76% of the shots.

I would like to caution you about making public statements of visual prowess when that is the reason you are (presumably) drawing disability. Insurance companies and social security frowns on it when people are declared disabled and then later found to be doing things contrary to their declared disability. If I were a judge I'd really question how someone drawing disability payments could have the visual ability to not only imagine a fully formed sphere in space but then to line up to that imaginary ball well enough to make 98% of the makeable shots.

Have you showed off this ability to the people who declared you disabled?

I mean I think you're CURED!!!!! Hallelujah Ghost Ball!!! Although I have to say I have known a few folks who can't read a menu and they can shoot balls in like champions......

But surely if you can make balls with a 98% success rate then you can do lots of work and not get disability payments right? 56 is far too young to live on the dole in my opinion. Not for such a great man as yourself. You should be out there teaching pros how to pocket balls because I think your pocketing percentages are way higher than theirs. Well maybe not way higher but only missing 2 balls out of every hundred you face is amazingly strong.

I have a question though.

What is makeable for you?

Are you saying you can make all the shots diagrammed below from the cue ball position 98 out of 100 times?​


Frankly, I am embarrassed for the forum that this type of disrespectful behavior from JB is allowed to continue. One thing that so many people wonder about is why aren't the forum rules being enforced, especially the "three strikes and you're out rule"? Why are some posters getting preferential treatment on this?

I think this was the thread/post where he quoted the real name of the person he was talking about. Absolutely shameful.
 
The religious Inquisition ended hundreds of years ago yet with your Yeahsayer/Naysayer religious propaganda, you're clearly waging a modern day Inquisition with your incendiary attacks upon the Naysayers. Everyone should read the two postings shown below to see examples of the Inquisition campaign that the Yeahsayers are engaging in:


JoeyA's ad hominem threatening attacks, intimidation and insulting response to Roger Long (11-20-2011 http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3315816&postcount=11 ) :

rOGER,
The naysayers have been the thorn in this forum's eye for YEARS.

Maybe once the naysayers see that they are called to task for their despicable behavior, they will be more civil to the Gene Albrechts, Hal Houles and Stan Shuffetts of the world.

The naysayers deserve far worse than just reminding them of what they have done to this forum.

Roger you seem far more tolerant to names and references like snake-oil salesmen, delusional, stupid, tin-foil hats, spammers, and hucksters than you are to the description of the people who hate on others. If it seems like I am being a little hard on the naysayers, that is your perception.

My naysayers chant is here to stay as a reminder to the haters that their ad hominem attacks on members of this forum is not something that is to be tolerated.

As to you feeling like the naysayers chant is getting old, you can fix that quite easily. Put me on ignore. That would suit me just fine. That way you can go back to describing CTE/Pro One as a marketing ploy and you won't see my naysayer comments when you refer to that remarkable aiming system.

You of all people should be demanding that the naysayers apologize for their putrid attacks on good and decent people for the last 10 years, but no........ you would rather complain about some calling them what they really are.

My thoughts are that the naysayers have been tolerated too long. Maybe a regular reminder is just what they need to keep themselves in line. If it looks like I am being too hard on them, go back and read their hate messages, snide remarks and condescending attitude for years. If you don't find their comments offensive, then you must be a naysayer. If you do find their comments REPULSIVE, then why have you been silent for all this time?

Anyway, it's all good Roger.

GREAT POOL PLAYERS have stepped up to the plate and have documented that the things Gene teaches is GOLDEN. The next time a Gene Albrecht comes to the forum, selling an idea and a dream, maybe the haters will just make their one condescending remark and be on their way, allowing others who are interested in learning to learn from those who go out of their way to teach. We're all big boys and girls and can make up our own mind about what we want to believe and what we want to learn. We don't need a vigilante group of haters trying to ridicule good and decent people, who are trying to help others learn how to play pool better.

I'm still waiting for the naysayers to apologize but I know that's not forthcoming. Maybe my naysayer references will be enough to keep them from chasing off the next generation of aiming system proponents.

So Roger, if you don't like my use of the word naysayers, just delete the channel.

Personally, I think calling the naysayers out every so often makes them stay in line a little better. I've noticed the naysayers have quieted down just a little bit, so maybe it's working.​


JoeyA's ad hominem attacks, intimidation and insulting response to Dr. Dave (11-28-2011 http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3327161&postcount=101 ) :
Dave,

The rest of the readers wonder why I am on the Naysayers azz so much and Lou's post and yours are a perfect example of why I continue to ride herd on the the Naysayers.

You and Lou don't mind sticking the needle in CTE users and "equating" some CTE users to Taliban terroists. (It's not funny)

Actually it is just another ad hominem attack on the users of CTE and the "joke" lacks not only humor but is void of character and class.

Masayoshi and a couple of the other other trolls whine why I give it back to the Naysayers and these are just a FEW EXAMPLES of why I make it a point to remind the Naysayers why they are outted on occasion.

I'm glad you and Lou think it is fun attempting to ridicule CTE users as terrorists. It must make you feel really good about yourselves.

The two of you deserve all of the douche-bag comments you get, imo.​

are you a stalker?
 
I think this was the thread/post where he quoted the real name of the person he was talking about. Absolutely shameful.

Oh please. The person who was part of that discussion told everyone his real name several times.

Once again if you want to put other people down with slanderous statements then don't reveal anything about yourself that is open to criticism.

Trolling is best done anonymously as you well know.
 
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