A Purple Five Ball Makes No Sense to Me

With the traditional colors the problems were distinguishing the blue 2 from the purple 4, and distinguishing the red 3 from the brown 7. The 1 and the 9 were distinguished by the stripe on the 9, and the orange 5, the green 6 and the black 8 couldn't be confused with any other balls.

The simplest solution would've been to lighten the blue 2 and lighten the brown 7. Do that and all the balls would be easily distinguishable.

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I am awaiting the day the pool world comes back to common sense and adopts our traditional ball colors back. The whole "Aramith TV Set" was the first step in the wrong direction. The Aramith Duramith tournament set with the standard color balls should be the set of choice unless Predator or Cyclops, etc etc are needed for sponsorship deals. But even then, they should revert to the standard colors we all grew up with. With the advances in tech for video we aren't going to be mixing up the purple 4, burgandy 7, and black 8 anymore which if I recall correctly was the original reason for the initial changes. These new colors and sets are awful in my opinion and I can't stand the fact that a marketing gimmick has snowballed into the ridiculous colored sets we use on TV today. The casual viewer who is not up to date has no clue what these colors are and therefore can't at all speculate postion play while watching as they have no clue what ball is next in these rotation games. It is somewhat acceptable in 8 ball matches as the groups are clear but the new Aramith Black set is horrible even for 8 ball as all of the black on the stripes is painful to see.
 
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I am awaiting the day the pool world comes back to common sense and adopts our traditional ball colors back. The whole "Aramith TV Set" was the first step in the wrong direction. The Aramith Duramith tournament set with the standard color balls should be the set of choice unless Predator or Cyclops, etc etc are needed for sponsorship deals. But even then, they should revert to the standard colors we all grew up with. With the advances in tech for video we aren't going to be mixing up the purple 4, burgandy 7, and black 8 anymore which if I recall correctly was the original reason for the initial changes. These new colors and sets are awful in my opinion and I can't stand the fact that a marketing gimmick has snowballed into the ridiculous colored sets we use on TV today. The casual viewer who is not up to date has no clue what these colors are and therefore can't at all speculate postion play while watching as they have no clue what ball is next in these rotation games. It is somewhat acceptable in 8 ball matches as the groups are clear but the new Aramith Black set is horrible even for 8 ball as all of the black on the stripes is painful to see.
Cyclop,btw, no longer exists. The co. that makes them signed an exclusive deal to make the new Dynasphere line. If you like traditional colors look at the Dyna. Bronze set. Great balls for the $. About 110bux currently. Totally agree on all the funky ball colors being used. With current hd streams/broadcasts they are not needed.
 
With the traditional colors the problems were distinguishing the blue 2 from the purple 4, and distinguishing the red 3 from the brown 7. The 1 and the 9 were distinguished by the stripe on the 9, and the orange 5, the green 6 and the black 8 couldn't be confused with any other balls.

The simplest solution would've been to lighten the blue 2 and lighten the brown 7. Do that and all the balls would be easily distinguishable.

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The bottom line, like dnschmidt said that's VERY logical, and I quote:

HOWEVER, if purple sucked on the four ball why is it acceptable on the five ball?

I'd like to see someone answer the above statement with some reasoning, ANYONE......
Way back in the thread AtLarge posted a link to the explanation that you apparently missed or didn't bother to read and which I've linked you to again below. There is in fact some reasoning for their decision. It doesn't outweigh other reasoning by a long shot, but there is in some minimal reasoning for it.

The short version is that some years back, in an effort to make the ball colors easier to distinguish on TV, Aramith changed the 4/12 ball colors to pink, and the 7/12 to brown, often known as the "TV colors".

A few years after that, Matchroom decided the orange 5 is still too hard to distinguish from other balls and so they wanted to give the 5 ball a different color (they also lightened the 6/14 to a lighter green). That was the excuse anyway, many feel they just wanted to distinguish and brand themselves by having their own trademark ball color set, and in any case that at least appears to have been a big factor. Out of all the colors left in the world to use, guess what color Aramith and Matchroom decided was the best fit to replace the orange 5/13? You guessed it, purple. Yup, the same color they previously thought was so bad it had to be removed from the set entirely.

So the obvious question then is why didn't Aramith/Matchroom just make the 4/12 purple again like it has been for all of history, and switch the pink color over to the five ball, or come up with some other new color for the five ball as this would clearly be the most logical thing to do? Aramith/Matchroom's paraphrased answer is "it is more important to us to keep the trademark of our pink four ball that we had only used for a few years, than it is for us to keep the century plus historical tradition of the purple four ball that has been exclusively used by everybody". It was the height of arrogance and disregard for the players and fans from both Aramith and Matchroom it appears.

My opinion is that there is no need to change any of the historical pool ball colors (especially in this day and age of great screens with accurate color representation and high definition, even on the smallest of devices), but if you feel you must, the only half acceptable change is to replace one color with a different color on any particular number ball (like to change the 7 ball color from maroon to brown), but it is never, under any circumstance ever, acceptable to move a historical color from one numbered ball to a different numbered ball (like to move the color purple from the 4 ball over to the 5 ball).

Aramith and Matchroom, if you are going to use of the color purple, you need to put it back where it has always historically been, on the four ball. Who cares about your couple years tradition of a pink four, that is not more important than everybody's century plus tradition of having the four exclusively be purple, and it is the height of arrogance gone completely astray to think otherwise. If a color has to be shifted from one ball number to another, it is the new color pink that should now be shifted from the 4 to the 5 since it has only been in marginal use for a few years, not the century plus historical purple that should be shifted from the 4 to the 5. Stop being so arrogant, illogical, and stubborn, and if you choose to continue, I may decide to stop supporting all things Aramith and Matchroom until you do.
 
Not to mention that it's often almost impossible to tell the pink 4 from the orange 5 on a TV screen.

I'm cynical about the real reason they keep switching colors on the balls. AFAIC it's the same reason that baseball teams keep introducing new jerseys about half a dozen times a year: To sell more product.
 
Way back in the thread AtLarge posted a link to the explanation that you apparently missed or didn't bother to read and which I've linked you to again below. There is in fact some reasoning for their decision. It doesn't outweigh other reasoning by a long shot, but there is in some minimal reasoning for it.

The short version is that some years back, in an effort to make the ball colors easier to distinguish on TV, Aramith changed the 4/12 ball colors to pink, and the 7/12 to brown, often known as the "TV colors".

A few years after that, Matchroom decided the orange 5 is still too hard to distinguish from other balls and so they wanted to give the 5 ball a different color (they also lightened the 6/14 to a lighter green). That was the excuse anyway, many feel they just wanted to distinguish and brand themselves by having their own trademark ball color set, and in any case that at least appears to have been a big factor. Out of all the colors left in the world to use, guess what color Aramith and Matchroom decided was the best fit to replace the orange 5/13? You guessed it, purple. Yup, the same color they previously thought was so bad it had to be removed from the set entirely.

So the obvious question then is why didn't Aramith/Matchroom just make the 4/12 purple again like it has been for all of history, and switch the pink color over to the five ball, or come up with some other new color for the five ball as this would clearly be the most logical thing to do? Aramith/Matchroom's paraphrased answer is "it is more important to us to keep the trademark of our pink four ball that we had only used for a few years, than it is for us to keep the century plus historical tradition of the purple four ball that has been exclusively used by everybody". It was the height of arrogance and disregard for the players and fans from both Aramith and Matchroom it appears.

My opinion is that there is no need to change any of the historical pool ball colors (especially in this day and age of great screens with accurate color representation and high definition, even on the smallest of devices), but if you feel you must, the only half acceptable change is to replace one color with a different color on any particular number ball (like to change the 7 ball color from maroon to brown), but it is never, under any circumstance ever, acceptable to move a historical color from one numbered ball to a different numbered ball (like to move the color purple from the 4 ball over to the 5 ball).

Aramith and Matchroom, if you are going to use of the color purple, you need to put it back where it has always historically been, on the four ball. Who cares about your couple years tradition of a pink four, that is not more important than everybody's century plus tradition of having the four exclusively be purple, and it is the height of arrogance gone completely astray to think otherwise. If a color has to be shifted from one ball number to another, it is the new color pink that should now be shifted from the 4 to the 5 since it has only been in marginal use for a few years, not the century plus historical purple that should be shifted from the 4 to the 5. Stop being so arrogant, illogical, and stubborn, and if you choose to continue, I may decide to stop supporting all things Aramith and Matchroom until you do.
Ok.....
 
Way back in the thread AtLarge posted a link to the explanation that you apparently missed or didn't bother to read and which I've linked you to again below. There is in fact some reasoning for their decision. It doesn't outweigh other reasoning by a long shot, but there is in some minimal reasoning for it.

The short version is that some years back, in an effort to make the ball colors easier to distinguish on TV, Aramith changed the 4/12 ball colors to pink, and the 7/12 to brown, often known as the "TV colors".

A few years after that, Matchroom decided the orange 5 is still too hard to distinguish from other balls and so they wanted to give the 5 ball a different color (they also lightened the 6/14 to a lighter green). That was the excuse anyway, many feel they just wanted to distinguish and brand themselves by having their own trademark ball color set, and in any case that at least appears to have been a big factor. Out of all the colors left in the world to use, guess what color Aramith and Matchroom decided was the best fit to replace the orange 5/13? You guessed it, purple. Yup, the same color they previously thought was so bad it had to be removed from the set entirely.

So the obvious question then is why didn't Aramith/Matchroom just make the 4/12 purple again like it has been for all of history, and switch the pink color over to the five ball, or come up with some other new color for the five ball as this would clearly be the most logical thing to do? Aramith/Matchroom's paraphrased answer is "it is more important to us to keep the trademark of our pink four ball that we had only used for a few years, than it is for us to keep the century plus historical tradition of the purple four ball that has been exclusively used by everybody". It was the height of arrogance and disregard for the players and fans from both Aramith and Matchroom it appears.

My opinion is that there is no need to change any of the historical pool ball colors (especially in this day and age of great screens with accurate color representation and high definition, even on the smallest of devices), but if you feel you must, the only half acceptable change is to replace one color with a different color on any particular number ball (like to change the 7 ball color from maroon to brown), but it is never, under any circumstance ever, acceptable to move a historical color from one numbered ball to a different numbered ball (like to move the color purple from the 4 ball over to the 5 ball).

Aramith and Matchroom, if you are going to use of the color purple, you need to put it back where it has always historically been, on the four ball. Who cares about your couple years tradition of a pink four, that is not more important than everybody's century plus tradition of having the four exclusively be purple, and it is the height of arrogance gone completely astray to think otherwise. If a color has to be shifted from one ball number to another, it is the new color pink that should now be shifted from the 4 to the 5 since it has only been in marginal use for a few years, not the century plus historical purple that should be shifted from the 4 to the 5. Stop being so arrogant, illogical, and stubborn, and if you choose to continue, I may decide to stop supporting all things Aramith and Matchroom until you do.
While I absolutely agree with that if you're using purple is must be on the 4 and 12 balls, I'm just going to say that the "few years" of the pink 4 is actually half a century now, so it's not new or uncommon.

Still just prefer a tweaking of shades for contrast than outright replacement.
 
While I absolutely agree with that if you're using purple is must be on the 4 and 12 balls, I'm just going to say that the "few years" of the pink 4 is actually half a century now, so it's not new or uncommon.

Still just prefer a tweaking of shades for contrast than outright replacement.
Half a century of pink four balls? For American pool balls? In somewhat mainstream sets as opposed to some niche wackadoodle non-mainstream set somebody made that never saw any real mainstream use? I never saw a pink 4 ball in my life until Aramith did their "TV colors tournament sets" way less than 50 years ago. Can you share the history of pool balls or whatever it is that makes you think pink four balls have seen enough mainstream use in American pool for half a century to justify making that claim of half a century of use?
 
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Watching these stupid colored balls on TV is like dropping tabs of orange sunshine. A bad idea in '69 and not much better now. It's just another cheap trick for the Chi Coms to sell more unnecessary junk.
In the barrel tabs?
 
Half a century of pink four balls? For American pool balls? In somewhat mainstream sets as opposed to some niche wackadoodle non-mainstream set somebody made that never saw any real mainstream use? I never saw a pink 4 ball in my life until Aramith did their "TV colors tournament sets" way less than 50 years ago. Can you share the history of pool balls or whatever it is that makes you think pink four balls have seen enough mainstream use in American pool for half a century to justify making that claim of half a century of use?
My understanding is they were introduced around 1970 or so for pool matches on ABC's Wide World of Sports. They're certainly been around for a while now, not just the last decade or so.
 
My understanding is they were introduced around 1970 or so for pool matches on ABC's Wide World of Sports. They're certainly been around for a while now, not just the last decade or so.
If that is true, I don't know that I would consider a pink four ball being used literally a couple of times 50 years ago as the pink four ball having been in use for half a century, at least the way I was thinking of it anyway although I see the argument for it.

I'm sure every numbered ball has been every color there is at some point 50 or more years ago for some niche set or use (and since then too), so if we are counting based simply on something having been created and used at least once then we would have to say that every numbered ball of every color that exists has been in use for over half a century.
 
What's amusing about the many different color choices of ball sets is this.
So I've got a new product to sell/promote or???
I want to increase sales, or whatever the reason may be.
I'm surprised they have not done this simple thing.

Before each match starts, show the ball set in a box and tell the viewers what colors are related to the ball numbers in play.
And during the breaks, redo this every time before coming back on camera with live or recorded play.
 
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I am awaiting the day the pool world comes back to common sense and adopts our traditional ball colors back. The whole "Aramith TV Set" was the first step in the wrong direction. The Aramith Duramith tournament set with the standard color balls should be the set of choice unless Predator or Cyclops, etc etc are needed for sponsorship deals. But even then, they should revert to the standard colors we all grew up with. With the advances in tech for video we aren't going to be mixing up the purple 4, burgandy 7, and black 8 anymore which if I recall correctly was the original reason for the initial changes. These new colors and sets are awful in my opinion and I can't stand the fact that a marketing gimmick has snowballed into the ridiculous colored sets we use on TV today. The casual viewer who is not up to date has no clue what these colors are and therefore can't at all speculate postion play while watching as they have no clue what ball is next in these rotation games. It is somewhat acceptable in 8 ball matches as the groups are clear but the new Aramith Black set is horrible even for 8 ball as all of the black on the stripes is painful to see.

Great write-up. If only those people, who claim they are trying to make pool players around the world prosper, could understand...
 
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