A Question about Simonis Cloth

cheemagun

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I know the one with the Ivan Simonis signature is simonis 860 but..

what about the one with Simonis 860 printed.?. it's not signed

dont know if its me but it plays slightly different..
 
As far as I know, it's the same cloth... Possible just the way it was installed.
One not being as tight as the other.

Edit --- After thinking about it, if I remember correctly the signature is on the top side and the block print is on the back side.

Troy
cheemagun said:
I know the one with the Ivan Simonis signature is simonis 860 but..

what about the one with Simonis 860 printed.?. it's not signed

dont know if its me but it plays slightly different..
 
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cheemagun said:
I know the one with the Ivan Simonis signature is simonis 860 but..

what about the one with Simonis 860 printed.?. it's not signed

dont know if its me but it plays slightly different..


Okay, this may sound strange and I know it hasn't been discussed much in the past but I know exactly what you're talking about. After working in a room and watching tables get reclothed over and over again, I've noticed that there is somewhat of a variance in the characteristics of cloth. I would specifically say Simonis but that wouldn't be fair since they're the only company I've ever dealt with.

I can say that cloth speed has varied between rods and dye has varied between rods. Everyone knows that eventually the dye gets hammered out of the cloth but I got one rod that was turning white in the first few hours of play.

The one thing that I can honestly say is consistent is that although the cloth doesn't always start off the same in terms of speed, it always ends up the same. The first few weeks, Simonis can either be VERY fast or moderately fast. By the end of the month, it slows down a little and will maintain that speed for a significant duration, moreso than other cloths I've had playing experience with.
 
StatMan said:
Is Simonis the best? Or is cloth a "preference" thing? What about Centennial or Mali cloth?


Beyond personal preference, Simonis (and I think a small handful of other companies) is a higher quality wool. Simply put, the threads are significantly longer than what you'll find on Brunswick or Mali cloth. This is the very reason why it doesn't appear fuzzy. That lack of fuzz not only improves consistency, there's also less friction adding to the length of time the cloth is regarded as playable. In sum, Simonis is more expensive and higher quality.

Other cloth companies that professional players have been known to quietly endorse are Granito and Championship. Up until they started coming out in different colors, the only way I could tell them apart is that Simonis typically came in bright green and Granito typically came in Electric Blue.
 
Call 1-800-simonis and select option "talk with Francine". She will tell you everything you ever need to know about Simonis cloth.

Two of our tables are going to be covered with 860 tomorrow.

Jake
 
the iwan simonis name is on both ends of the roll,signed on one end and printed on the other,both are on the play side of the cloth.
 
In one of the bars I go to one of the two tables the Simonis is upside down!!!!!!!!lol And no one knows why the table is so much faster than the other. :rolleyes:
 
mechanic/player said:
the iwan simonis name is on both ends of the roll,signed on one end and printed on the other,both are on the play side of the cloth.
Does that mean that you see his name when you are looking at the table?I had my table recovered and specified Simonis 860 and there is no name on the playing side.
Did I get beat?
 
No, you don't see the name on the playing surface.
An excellent NorCal mechanic installs the cloth so the Simonis signature is visible on the end rails under the cushion nose. Nice touch...

Troy
bobroberts said:
Does that mean that you see his name when you are looking at the table?I had my table recovered and specified Simonis 860 and there is no name on the playing side.
Did I get beat?
 
Troy said:
No, you don't see the name on the playing surface.
An excellent NorCal mechanic installs the cloth so the Simonis signature is visible on the end rails under the cushion nose. Nice touch...

Troy

That's the way the guys from Diamond did my table.
 
Troy said:
An excellent NorCal mechanic installs the cloth so the Simonis signature is visible on the end rails under the cushion nose. Nice touch...

Troy

New Simonis 760 on local table, the mechanic put the .sig on the underside of the foot rail cushion.

Plays very fast, cross-corner banks 2 diamonds up with time for normal roll to develop need to be shot a full inch higher than "normal" worn cloth. 3-rail shots from the corner-5 system need about 3/4 diamond higher starting point (near 3) than normal (2 1/4 or so) to prevent it going nearly a diamond long. New cloth is a treat to play on.
 
Kevin said:
New Simonis 760 on local table, the mechanic put the .sig on the underside of the foot rail cushion.

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All that tells you is that the rail has 760, logo side up. But, that is the way the guy does our tables too. The only way to really tell if he installs the cloth with the logo side up is to watch him do it.

Jake
 
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