A Question For LS77 And Advice

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drivermaker

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Hey LS...what are your thoughts and concerns now about hanging out in smoke filled pool rooms as you take in all of the second hand smoke with the little Chimi-Chunga growing inside of you?

And for all smokers and non-smokers who have either been pro or con on the smoking issue in pool rooms...what do you think LS should or shouldn't do about the smoke of pool rooms. Harmful or not harmful?
 
Well ...

I am a hardcore smoker, been smoking as long as I have played pool, 43 years, still enjoy it, don't want to quit, don't give a hoot if I die 5 years early at 95, instead of a 100, after sex is over, who cares anyway ...

I grew up with it, some good rooms, some old style smoke filled rooms.

My feelings are that rooms today should have a more than adequate ventillation system to clear the smoke out as quick as possible, but poolplayers smoke, and they drink too, and rooms that do away with those are not going to make very much money, except off teenagers, and most of those are underage rooms, not over 21 rooms.

Devoted players, ones that play every tournament, try to make money off shooting, are not going to stay at a room where they can not smoke and drink. Many players can not maintain without smoking or drinking a little, and they won't stay where they can not maintain the level of shooting they are used to.
 
Snapshot9 said:
...Devoted players, ones that play every tournament, try to make money off shooting, are not going to stay at a room where they can not smoke and drink. Many players can not maintain without smoking or drinking a little, and they won't stay where they can not maintain the level of shooting they are used to.
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As one who goes to quite a few pool rooms on the road, some which are in States which have a smoking ban in force, I do not think the no-smoking policy is a deterrent for aspiring players who desire to compete in tournaments. :)

Hanging out in the pool room for recreational pleasure, though, is a different story, especially in the winter months on the East Coast when the weather is below freezing with howling winds! :eek:

Most pool players who are competing in high-profile tournaments do not desire to drink alcohol, and it is customary to see a bottle of water sitting tableside. Of course, there is always an exception. :rolleyes:

The Surgeon General states that second-hand smoke is bad for one's health, with or without child!

JAM
 
I'll tell you something Drivermaker...I am a smoker (or was). I have smoked since I was about 18 everyday...I was a social smoker from about 16-18...you know the cool factor. :rolleyes: I tried to quit a few times but to no avail...the longest I ever went was about 2 weeks and the bar (that's where I play...I have to go to a different state to get to a PH) ALWAYS made me want to light up...so guess what? I did.

Fast forward to the day I found out I was having a baby. I knew that I needed to quit smoking, but how was I gonna go about doing this? I have been down this path before (with trying to quit). I got this bright idea that I would switch to Ultra Lights and then wean myself off of them. My husband didn't like that idea. He said I should get the patch or something. I said no, that the baby would "get the patch then too." He said it had to be better than the smoke and all the other chemicals I was giving our child at the present time. I told him we would ask the doctor and I would do whatever the doctor said. In the meantime I was going to smoke those Ultra Lights...I had already cut myself back to half of what I normally smoked. I had friends who did this for their entire pregnancy and their baby's were fine.

However, it didn't work out quite as planned. EVERYTIME I lit up my husband would explain to me in detail what I was doing to our kid. I felt so guilty that I couldn't even get that initial puff in. With in two days I had quit. By the time we made it to the doctor’s appointment I hadn't smoked in weeks. I was a little over four weeks prego when I quit. (For those of you who know anything about conception this means I smoked for a few days after I found out) That is nothing to be proud of I know, but the fact is I feen for the damn things all the time. But parenting is about sacrifice is it not? What kind of parent would I be if I didn't place my child's health over my own selfish desire to kill myself with smoke?

Do I still go to the bar? You bet. The first time I went was rough because I WANTED to smoke. But I didn't. Now I have no problems when I go there. Yes, other people still smoke at the bar. Other people still smoke on the street, other people still smoke in front of the 7-11. I can not stay away from society because I am going to have a baby. I can also not give up every aspect of who I am. I shoot pool 2-3 nights a week and maybe some tourneys here and there on the weekends. This entails me to be around smoke...pool players smoke. Do I need to go hang out in the smoke hurdle in the middle of the bar or pool hall...no, and I don't. But to me going there and being around people smoking is not an issue...I took care of the biggest issue over a month ago. No one is ever gonna get a smoke free environment, unless they are at the hospital... and even that is iffy. Does this mean I am a bad person? I dunno. I can only do the best I can. Cutting back on soda is another big battle. :eek:
 
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Great job quitting LS! Even if you do go back to them after your child is born, the fact that you didn't while pregnant is admirable. My wife is a social smoker but in both cases with our kids, she never looked at one while pregnant. Tough thing to do but worth it for the sake of the kids health.

Regards,
Dave
 
Good job, LS77! I quit when I was five days pregnant with my first but didn't know it yet. My husband and I were trying, so I was planning on quitting but hadn't gotten around to it yet. One day I went to the grocery store to get a few things, especially cigarettes because I was out. But I forgot the cigs and realized it as I was leaving the store! So I said, "Well, guess I'll just quit now," and that was that - I haven't smoked since.

Anyway, congratulations and good luck continuing as an ex-smoker afterwards! :)
 
Kerry Impson said:
good luck continuing as an ex-smoker afterwards!
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ROTFLMAO! Honestly, I am planning on going back to it as soon as I leave the hospital. At least that is what is getting me thru the "hang on a wait" period. I'm kinda just acting like I am on an extended visit with my grandmother. People tell me since I quit I should keep it up forever. As of right now it depends on how fat I get! :eek: We will see though...me and my body may change my mind in the next few months. If I do go back to it, rest assured it will not be until the baby has no further use for my body to survive.

Thank you Kerry, Mr. Wilson (I can't get Dennis outta my head when ever I read your post, LOL) and DDKoop.
 
I quit smoking 12-21-04 and still want one every day. It's getting better though.
 
I don't understand why everyone is cheering you on. You quit smoking because you're pregnant, I applaud that....but going to a bar with people smoking around you 2-3 nights a week is the same thing as smoking a bunch of cigarettes 2-3 nights to week, which means that your baby is going to a bar and smoking a bunch of cigarettes 2-3 nights a week. I have no intention of starting a war with you, but since you are going to read this, my opinion is I think you obviously care about your child, but you lack the willpower to take your f-ing hobby of pool elsewhere, and you are too naive to realize that your choice to go to the bar is DAMAGING TO YOUR BABY. No matter how you downplay it, such as "oh but they have smoke filters" or "people smoke outdoors near me all the time" you have the life of a child in your hands! If this child is born with health problems, you had better damn well be prepared to take responsibility for it, because it will be your fault if that happens (God forbid). I'm disgusted.
 
LowEnglish said:
I don't understand why everyone is cheering you on. You quit smoking because you're pregnant, I applaud that....but going to a bar with people smoking around you 2-3 nights a week is the same thing as smoking a bunch of cigarettes 2-3 nights to week, which means that your baby is going to a bar and smoking a bunch of cigarettes 2-3 nights a week. I have no intention of starting a war with you, but since you are going to read this, my opinion is I think you obviously care about your child, but you lack the willpower to take your f-ing hobby of pool elsewhere, and you are too naive to realize that your choice to go to the bar is DAMAGING TO YOUR BABY. No matter how you downplay it, such as "oh but they have smoke filters" or "people smoke outdoors near me all the time" you have the life of a child in your hands! If this child is born with health problems, you had better damn well be prepared to take responsibility for it, because it will be your fault if that happens (God forbid). I'm disgusted.
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God you must be a pain in the a$$ to live with. St.
 
landshark77 said:
ROTFLMAO! Honestly, I am planning on going back to it as soon as I leave the hospital. At least that is what is getting me thru the "hang on a wait" period. I'm kinda just acting like I am on an extended visit with my grandmother. People tell me since I quit I should keep it up forever. As of right now it depends on how fat I get! :eek: We will see though...me and my body may change my mind in the next few months. If I do go back to it, rest assured it will not be until the baby has no further use for my body to survive.

Thank you Kerry, Mr. Wilson (I can't get Dennis outta my head when ever I read your post, LOL) and DDKoop.
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Not to be a nag or nothin', but . . . . you should REALLY make yourself stay "quit" forever. That sacrifice you mentioned for parenthood extends to your child's health after they're born, too. He/she doesn't need to grow up in a smoking environment.

Sounds like I'm preaching. But, both my wife and I are reformed smokers, quitting when she found out she was pregnant. Do it. You'll be glad you did.

Scott
 
LowEnglish said:
I don't understand why everyone is cheering you on. You quit smoking because you're pregnant, I applaud that....but going to a bar with people smoking around you 2-3 nights a week is the same thing as smoking a bunch of cigarettes 2-3 nights to week, which means that your baby is going to a bar and smoking a bunch of cigarettes 2-3 nights a week. I have no intention of starting a war with you, but since you are going to read this, my opinion is I think you obviously care about your child, but you lack the willpower to take your f-ing hobby of pool elsewhere, and you are too naive to realize that your choice to go to the bar is DAMAGING TO YOUR BABY. No matter how you downplay it, such as "oh but they have smoke filters" or "people smoke outdoors near me all the time" you have the life of a child in your hands! If this child is born with health problems, you had better damn well be prepared to take responsibility for it, because it will be your fault if that happens (God forbid). I'm disgusted.
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Are you a male?? I am pregnant not dead. You want me to go play pool somewhere else? The closest pool hall (that I am aware of) that has no smoking is in NYC...that would be a 4 hour one way drive. All of my friends that have tables smoke. You have no idea what the enviroment that I play in on a regular basis is like. It is not like you think. I did not start this thread. Drivermaker was the person looking for advice, not me...I have my friends and family to get that from. If you think I am an irresponsable and lack willpower then you know nothing about me. I replied to this thread because it had my name on it, and I knida think Drivermaker was looking for some action...it seems like he may have gotten it. :rolleyes: I am not looking to be cheered on. I stated my opinion on the subject. Thank you for your concern though.
 
LowEnglish said:
I don't understand why everyone is cheering you on. You quit smoking because you're pregnant, I applaud that....but going to a bar with people smoking around you 2-3 nights a week is the same thing as smoking a bunch of cigarettes 2-3 nights to week, which means that your baby is going to a bar and smoking a bunch of cigarettes 2-3 nights a week. I have no intention of starting a war with you, but since you are going to read this, my opinion is I think you obviously care about your child, but you lack the willpower to take your f-ing hobby of pool elsewhere, and you are too naive to realize that your choice to go to the bar is DAMAGING TO YOUR BABY. No matter how you downplay it, such as "oh but they have smoke filters" or "people smoke outdoors near me all the time" you have the life of a child in your hands! If this child is born with health problems, you had better damn well be prepared to take responsibility for it, because it will be your fault if that happens (God forbid). I'm disgusted.
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Hold on there, partner...

There's a lot more to this than the politically correct version. Try this article on for size:

Is smoking child abuse?
http://www.acsh.org/factsfears/newsID.209/news_detail.asp

For the record, I do NOT smoke,

Jeff Livingston
 
landshark77 said:
I'll tell you something Drivermaker...I am a smoker (or was). I have smoked since I was about 18 everyday...I was a social smoker from about 16-18...you know the cool factor. :rolleyes: I tried to quit a few times but to no avail...the longest I ever went was about 2 weeks and the bar (that's where I play...I have to go to a different state to get to a PH) ALWAYS made me want to light up...so guess what? I did.

Fast forward to the day I found out I was having a baby. I knew that I needed to quit smoking, but how was I gonna go about doing this? I have been down this path before (with trying to quit). I got this bright idea that I would switch to Ultra Lights and then wean myself off of them. My husband didn't like that idea. He said I should get the patch or something. I said no, that the baby would "get the patch then too." He said it had to be better than the smoke and all the other chemicals I was giving our child at the present time. I told him we would ask the doctor and I would do whatever the doctor said. In the meantime I was going to smoke those Ultra Lights...I had already cut myself back to half of what I normally smoked. I had friends who did this for their entire pregnancy and their baby's were fine.

However, it didn't work out quite as planned. EVERYTIME I lit up my husband would explain to me in detail what I was doing to our kid. I felt so guilty that I couldn't even get that initial puff in. With in two days I had quit. By the time we made it to the doctor’s appointment I hadn't smoked in weeks. I was a little over four weeks prego when I quit. (For those of you who know anything about conception this means I smoked for a few days after I found out) That is nothing to be proud of I know, but the fact is I feen for the damn things all the time. But parenting is about sacrifice is it not? What kind of parent would I be if I didn't place my child's health over my own selfish desire to kill myself with smoke?

Do I still go to the bar? You bet. The first time I went was rough because I WANTED to smoke. But I didn't. Now I have no problems when I go there. Yes, other people still smoke at the bar. Other people still smoke on the street, other people still smoke in front of the 7-11. I can not stay away from society because I am going to have a baby. I can also not give up every aspect of who I am. I shoot pool 2-3 nights a week and maybe some tourneys here and there on the weekends. This entails me to be around smoke...pool players smoke. Do I need to go hang out in the smoke hurdle in the middle of the bar or pool hall...no, and I don't. But to me going there and being around people smoking is not an issue...I took care of the biggest issue over a month ago. No one is ever gonna get a smoke free environment, unless they are at the hospital... and even that is iffy. Does this mean I am a bad person? I dunno. I can only do the best I can. Cutting back on soda is another big battle. :eek:
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Here's a good site for people who have/are/want to quitting smoking:

http://www.thescooponsmoking.org/

Jeff Livingston
 
landshark77 said:
and I knida think Drivermaker was looking for some action...it seems like he may have gotten it. :rolleyes:
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Since starting the thread, I haven't even opened my mouth to instigate any one. How in the hell can I be that kind of prognosticator to know who and what is going to come out of anyone's mouth?

Believe it or not, and I know your answer will be "not", even though I pound on you in the forums and use you as a fall guy, I had a sincere interest and curiosity about what you were going to do. I had no idea you were a smoker to begin with and I think it's great that you quit. I kinda did figure and hoped Kerry would chime in and was also curious about what she thought. She's in a little different situation because she has a table at home.

I really don't know what to think and how I would handle the situation if it was my kid, or my wife being pregnant in that environment. As drastic as LowEnglish's post may seem, I have to feel he's correct about the second hand smoke and the amount of cigarettes that it's equal to had you smoked them yourself. A bar atmosphere has a much higher concentrated amount of smoke than anywhere else. Hell, most work environments don't even allow it, and the same with restaurants. Or, they at least have it separated for smokers and non-smokers. So, there's not much to worry about.

I actually do like you and have your best interests at heart on this issue. However, that doesn't mean that I'll ever stop pounding your ass. I might lighten up during your pregnancy though.... ;)
 
drivermaker said:
As drastic as LowEnglish's post may seem, I have to feel he's correct about the second hand smoke and the amount of cigarettes that it's equal to had you smoked them yourself. A bar atmosphere has a much higher concentrated amount of smoke than anywhere else.
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Maybe, I don't know. It is not your "typical" bar. It is more like a small pool hall with bar boxes only. Half the people that frequent the place smoke and half don't. The tables are in a separate room from the bar area, so you only have the shooters to deal with, not the smoking beer drinkers. If it makes me a bad person to still play pool in my local "room", then I guess I am a bad person. I have investigated the points that LowEnglish has made. As it turns out the second hand smoke constantly exposed to the fetus is harmful, but not as harmful as the mother smoking directly. Does this mean that I have written off the secondhand smoke concern...no, and it was always a concern. But as I said, I can not stay away from society. I can only do the best that I can. I am not dead and I won't act like it.
 
One other thing that made it easier for me to quit was that I changed my lifestyle completely for several years - no more bars, no more alcohol ('cause booze and cigarettes go hand in hand, plus I was alternately pregnant and nursing for almost four years!!!)....I even lost interest in pool for that same time frame. So in essence, all of the things I associated with smoking were gone. And I haven't even missed it, especially when I look at the price for cigs nowadays! :eek: I found that once I'd broken that connection, then I could do those things (like play pool again) and still not feel the urge to smoke. Everyone's different, and I'm not presuming to know what's best for you; I know that you know it's ultimately in your best interest to quit for good. And I understand not wanting your life to be altered completely just because you're pregnant. It's awesome that you've quit while PG (lots of women don't!!), and it's great that you're concerned about second-hand smoke. Believe me, the more that baby becomes real to you the more protective you'll become - just wait till you see that first ultrasound! And remember: Once you've stopped for nine months you're way ahead of the game! :)
 
Stretch said:
God you must be a pain in the a$$ to live with. St.
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Yeah, a real pain in the ass....

I know 6 people who have died because of cigarette smoke. One of them was a non-smoker who's husband smoked like a chimney around her.

I'd rather be a pain in the ass than an ignorant ass who thinks 'a little smoke here and there won't harm a baby'. I worked at a hospital and I've seen the effects of tobacco, yes even on newborns. Maybe you havent, so obviously that's the reason why you don't give a flying fuck.
 
chefjeff said:
Hold on there, partner...

There's a lot more to this than the politically correct version. Try this article on for size:

Is smoking child abuse?
http://www.acsh.org/factsfears/newsID.209/news_detail.asp

For the record, I do NOT smoke,

Jeff Livingston
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There is a big difference between a thirteen year old who can step outside if it gets too smoky and a mother with a baby in her womb pumping secondhand or firsthand tobacco smoke into her baby's lungs.
 
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