A return to tradition
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Yes, and all of it would be instructional for that instrument.
I don't believe anybody has said one is better than another generally.
"Certainly could"? I guess that means "might".
Personal preference might include more than "how good it feels". For instance, you might learn to like a little more "impact shock" than you're entirely comfortable with at first because of the additional information you get from it. I did - it's partly why I changed to a wrapless butt.
pj
chgo
I think with most things like this you just can't get better than what Mom Nature has to offer. Low deflection can be achieved with geometry/taper.
That being said I think most people either don't give enough time to learn how these so called "advanced products" work and or just don't believe they'll see an improvement with them, therefore they don't.
I use maple and probably will never give anything else a chance. Maybe a mistake but I'll just have to live with it.
That being said I think most people either don't give enough time to learn how these so called "advanced products" work and or just don't believe they'll see an improvement with them, therefore they don't.
I use maple and probably will never give anything else a chance. Maybe a mistake but I'll just have to live with it.
Patrick Johnson said:
Well, yes...generally...someone did Patrick. Did you read the initial poster's comments or did you just jump into the middle to continue your newfound hobby of taking swipes at me? He wrote:
"Well after spending a year or so playing with various low deflection shafts, I decided that I have seen no real benefit to my game. I have never been able to experience that "feel" I used to get with a solid wood shaft.
You know, that feeling you get when you strike the cue ball and your grip hand knows exactly how you struck the ball and feeds it back to your brain. All the LD shafts seem to have that dead, rubbery feel and lack feedback.
So with new cue in hand I spent a couple of hours last night learning to play all over again lol. Immediately I got that feedback I have been missing, I don't have to wait to see what happens to know how I hit the shot."
See Patrick, he obviously thinks that A) there is a difference and B) that the feel he gets from his traditional shaft is better. That was the WHOLE POINT of the thread...but you seem to miss a lot of significant points...and that's ok. You just hang in there and try to do the best you can.
Thanks for that synonym. And that comment might, certainly could, possibly may...but probably doesn't....have a point!
Well, obviously you are going to argue merely for the sake of arguing. But you go ahead...you join all the pros who have gone to wrapless butts...both of them.
LOL
Thank god for the unsubscribe button. 
3kushn said:
No mistake at all. Most of us here aren't pros and don't make our livings from playing pool so the enjoyment of the game is our primary consideration.
But at least as many pros play with tradtional shafts as LD shafts so there is no way to demonstrate by empirical evidence that one is better than the other...only that they are different.
And as I have noted elsewhere, traditional shafts have widely varying resistence to deflection and I'll tell ya what, if I knew of a traditional shaft that tested as a LD shaft tests, I would switch to a traditional shaft in a heart beat.
Regards,
Jim
av84fun said:
You're right; no criticism is valuable to you, because your ego cannot take it. That is why you see any differing opinion as "taking swipes", and then go ahead and take your own swipes as retaliation for what you take personally. I intend this to be my last post to you, so have fun with your overbearing posting style, buddy.
What do you think I meant by "generally", you argumentative doofus? He obviously was talking about his personal preference - that's probably why he said "I have seen no real benefit to my game."
You really should give up this grudge - your judgement wasn't too good to begin with and it isn't being helped by your blind urge to argue with me. You're embarrassing yourself.
pj
chgo
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Patrick..."You really should give up this grudge - your judgement wasn't too good to begin with and it isn't being helped by your blind urge to argue with me. You're embarrassing yourself."
It's no "grudge" Patrick. You don't feel the slightest compunction about posting impolite comments about my posts...but when I dish it back, it's a "grudge" in your eyes.
Embarrassed? Well, I have more rep points than you do sir so there must be some difference of opinion about which of us should be most embarrassed.
AND THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS GIVEN ME REP...I GENUINELY APPRECIATE THAT!!!
But it seems that you are the one who becomes embarrassed when some of the statements you make are just shown to be inaccurate...at which point you resort to hair-splitting...partial and/or out of context quoting...often without even bothering to mention who it is that you are quoting. That last tactic is probably designed to dissuade people from reviewing the entire thread to determine whether you have taken the unspecified poster's comments out of context.
Your latest problem is that you stated FLAT OUT that the cue has nothing to do with imparting spin and then when the RESPECTED player, Lou Figeuroa replies...quite politely, that he disagreed with you and cited the respected columnist Dr. Dave...you start splitting hairs about the quantification of what "small" or "slightly" mean.
And of course, Jack Koehler doesn't agree with you either...but YOU KNOW BETTER and get your shorts all in a bunch when you are not only disagreed with but have it pointed out to you WHY you are wrong.
Ego? Me? Well, I have to agree with you there. It took "ego strength" for me to man up and admit to you that I had posted an incorrect comment and "eat crow" as I put it.
But instead of you doing the same thing on the occasions when you are wrong you just start doing your little dance and accusing people of having a "grudge" against you. That attitude smacks of insecurity not strength of character.
I am not NEARLY alone on this forum or others such as RSB in holding the view that you have a "know it all" attitude and treat others in an impudent and consescending fashion.
You will RECALL that I proposed a "TRUCE" and was met with still more insults from you. But I'll do so again...here an now.
To the extent that I wish to comment on any of your posts from here on out they will be on point, thoughtful and not invested with sarcasm or arrogance and I suggest that you do the same.
Let us see who is the first of us to fail to abide by that suggestion...but your response to THIS post...in fairness...is exempt.
Jim
It's no "grudge" Patrick. You don't feel the slightest compunction about posting impolite comments about my posts...but when I dish it back, it's a "grudge" in your eyes.
Embarrassed? Well, I have more rep points than you do sir so there must be some difference of opinion about which of us should be most embarrassed.
AND THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS GIVEN ME REP...I GENUINELY APPRECIATE THAT!!!
But it seems that you are the one who becomes embarrassed when some of the statements you make are just shown to be inaccurate...at which point you resort to hair-splitting...partial and/or out of context quoting...often without even bothering to mention who it is that you are quoting. That last tactic is probably designed to dissuade people from reviewing the entire thread to determine whether you have taken the unspecified poster's comments out of context.
Your latest problem is that you stated FLAT OUT that the cue has nothing to do with imparting spin and then when the RESPECTED player, Lou Figeuroa replies...quite politely, that he disagreed with you and cited the respected columnist Dr. Dave...you start splitting hairs about the quantification of what "small" or "slightly" mean.
And of course, Jack Koehler doesn't agree with you either...but YOU KNOW BETTER and get your shorts all in a bunch when you are not only disagreed with but have it pointed out to you WHY you are wrong.
Ego? Me? Well, I have to agree with you there. It took "ego strength" for me to man up and admit to you that I had posted an incorrect comment and "eat crow" as I put it.
But instead of you doing the same thing on the occasions when you are wrong you just start doing your little dance and accusing people of having a "grudge" against you. That attitude smacks of insecurity not strength of character.
I am not NEARLY alone on this forum or others such as RSB in holding the view that you have a "know it all" attitude and treat others in an impudent and consescending fashion.
You will RECALL that I proposed a "TRUCE" and was met with still more insults from you. But I'll do so again...here an now.
To the extent that I wish to comment on any of your posts from here on out they will be on point, thoughtful and not invested with sarcasm or arrogance and I suggest that you do the same.
Let us see who is the first of us to fail to abide by that suggestion...but your response to THIS post...in fairness...is exempt.
Jim
Cuebacca said:
You are TOO funny. Your last comment to me wasn't anything resembling a "differing opinion" it was just a sarcastic swipe and you know it!
LOL
Actually, you're pretty good at sarcastic swipes while hiding behind the false cover of being a neutral bystander.
But if your above post to me is TRULY your last, then, as always, I am appreciative of small favors.
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henho said:
Predator shafts do have a different feel than a regular shaft. I think what happens a lot of times is a player gets used to the feel of one type of shaft, and associates that with feedback, and then when he tries a shaft that has a different feel it naturally feels awkward because he is unaccustomed to it.
I adapted to the lower-deflection characteristics of a Predator shaft immediately, and for me at least the benefits of a low-deflection shaft are invaluable. I still preferred the hit of a regular shaft, though, and the Predator shaft felt awkward to me. But now that I've used a Predator for a few years, the Predator hit feels normal, and a regular shaft feels awkward.
BPG24 said:
most of the desired effects of a predator come from it's ferrule. the actual shaft is important too of course, but the weight (or lack thereof) is most critical the closer you get to the end of the shaft.... at least when considering deflection. if you put a conventional ferrule on a 314 you may as well go to a nicely made normal shaft in my opinion. but if it plays good for you, go for it is what i always say.