A Shot I Messed Up

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DrCue'sProtege

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ok, the following is a spread i had after i broke a rack of 9-Ball the other night, and an example of how i screw up the easiest of outs sometimes. doing things like this really frustrates me.

all i had to do was to roll down to Position A for position on the '2' Ball. however, i hit the shot too easy, and ended up at Position B and left myself a difficult thin cut on the '2' Ball. so i tried to draw around off the '2' Ball, and missed position badly on the '3' Ball. all of this because my speed was off on the very first shot. and this is a speed shot i have practice 10,000 times.

somebody once said doing the simple things, making the easy shots and having good speed on these types of shots that makes an excellent 9-Ball player. obviously, i have a ways to go..........


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This usually happens to me when I concentrate on making the ball to much. This is actually a speed control shot. I'd practice this type of shot till you can place the cue ball at the far rail, up and back and also stoping in the middle of the table either on the way up or on the way back that way you will just learn the proper speed.

Black Cat :cool:
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
somebody once said doing the simple things, making the easy shots and having good speed on these types of shots that makes an excellent 9-Ball player. obviously, i have a ways to go..........
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DCP,
I guess I'm going to have to disagree that this is an "easy" shot. It is very tricky to get perfect position since you are going across the position zone. Even SLIGHT differences in cut thickness on the one will make a big difference in the final resting place for whitey. Even SLIGHT differences in English applied (whether intentionally or unintentionally) will make a difference in your final position.

This also is a prime example of the common pool occurence of having to decide if you would rather be "short or long" in your final position and make sure to err on the side of being on the correct side of the next ball.

Joe Tucker has an excellent drill in his booklet that covers all the different variations. It's one thing to practice it "10,000 times", it's another to practice it properly 10,000 times.

Luther Lassiter was asked why he so seldom missed the easy shots, he replied that it was because as he got better he finally realized that there was no such thing as an easy shot.
 
your right Willie, my thought process was just DO NOT LEAVE IT WAY SHORT!!! and i did. slightly short and slightly long was ok, however.

i was hoping to get to Position A, and my thought process was anywhere between Positions marked C and D in the table below. but again, i left it at B, and that was the beginning of the end to running this rack.

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Not messed up ...

Although you were short, you are not messed up for the run. 1 recovery
shot and you are back in the run (Everyone has to make recovery shots sometime).

A little 'low right' english on the 2 will hold the cue inside the 5, and the cue will come straight downtable straight on the 3. (you would be surprised at how many players would use low left, when low right should be used. The average player's ignorance of inside english is astounding.
You can pull your cueball quicker and faster with inside english of cutting
balls into the side pocket than with outside english - which allows you to make thin cuts into the side and NOT scratch into the corner).

Personally, the 1 ball shot you shot can be easily misjudged for speed
and english. Personally, if I was a little uncomfortable with the shot,
I would have shot 2 rail shape, taking the cue over to the long rail, and
then coming into the shape on the 2.

If you're knowledge is 80% outside, 20% inside - make it a point to learn
and use inside english on shots. You have to have a good working knowledge of ALL english to play a competitive game for any situation
you might come across. It is also very handy to know MULTIPLE ways
to get shape on the next ball from a shot.
 
Snapshot9 said:
Although you were short, you are not messed up for the run. 1 recovery
shot and you are back in the run (Everyone has to make recovery shots sometime).

A little 'low right' english on the 2 will hold the cue inside the 5, and the cue will come straight downtable straight on the 3. (you would be surprised at how many players would use low left, when low right should be used. The average player's ignorance of inside english is astounding.
You can pull your cueball quicker and faster with inside english of cutting
balls into the side pocket than with outside english - which allows you to make thin cuts into the side and NOT scratch into the corner).

Personally, the 1 ball shot you shot can be easily misjudged for speed
and english. Personally, if I was a little uncomfortable with the shot,
I would have shot 2 rail shape, taking the cue over to the long rail, and
then coming into the shape on the 2.

If you're knowledge is 80% outside, 20% inside - make it a point to learn
and use inside english on shots. You have to have a good working knowledge of ALL english to play a competitive game for any situation
you might come across. It is also very handy to know MULTIPLE ways
to get shape on the next ball from a shot.
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Scott brings up some good points. I think there are alot of players that are reluctant to use inside english just because of the difficulty factor. When I'm practicing set up shots, I'll shoot 5-10 with no spin, with inside and with outside. This is important because it gets you into the habit of adjusting for throw.
 
Snapshot9 said:
(Everyone has to make recovery shots sometime).

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Snap-man,
You are SOOOO right. This is an ESPECIALLY important point for DCP, who sometimes may get a tad on the discouraged side.

A pro of my acquaintance was present at a session where Efren was playing one hundred racks against the 9-ball ghost (ball in hand after the break). Efren ran 82 of the racks. I asked the pro how many of those racks went as planned (with no recovery shots necessary) - his answer was 10% (of course it was just an estimate, but dang thats a low number).

If the pro's get out of shape in anywhere near 90% of their racks, maybe we shouldn't be quite so discouraged when whitey gets a little out of shape.
 
as i recall, i used the inside english to get shape on the '3' ball. but it wasnt perfect like it would have been, and then i had a tougher shot on the '3', and then the next position shot was tougher - and i missed at that point.

like someone once said, missing position on the '3' ball can ultimately cause you to miss the shot/position on the '7' ball in any given rack. thats pretty much what happened here. i missed position on the '2', and the domino effect took over.

DCP
 
Williebetmore said:
DCP,
I guess I'm going to have to disagree that this is an "easy" shot. It is very tricky to get perfect position since you are going across the position zone. Even SLIGHT differences in cut thickness on the one will make a big difference in the final resting place for whitey. Even SLIGHT differences in English applied (whether intentionally or unintentionally) will make a difference in your final position.

This also is a prime example of the common pool occurence of having to decide if you would rather be "short or long" in your final position and make sure to err on the side of being on the correct side of the next ball.

Joe Tucker has an excellent drill in his booklet that covers all the different variations. It's one thing to practice it "10,000 times", it's another to practice it properly 10,000 times.

Luther Lassiter was asked why he so seldom missed the easy shots, he replied that it was because as he got better he finally realized that there was no such thing as an easy shot.
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You're right Willie,
Judging the speed and angle of that shot is quite tricky. A touch thick or thin or getting a touch of follow or draw on the CB changes the end result significantly.

I would consider playing this shot with top and inside english, even though it adds complexity to the pot and CB line, it is much easier to judge for speed and will give less variation if you make contact a little thick or thin.

Just cause there is an open path to a position, doesn't mean that position is easy to control. Often accuracy and accurate CB striking is paramount. Hence it useful to be familiar with the various shot options and their predictability.

Colin
 
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