a thank you to CJ Wiley

[HawaiianEye]

I'm not, but just to be clear, I always felt that the Main Forum should be used for thoughts and ideas, insights and information, helpful hints, and humor.
Not for pimping someone's shit.

FWIW, I think the "owners" of the site determine what should be where. 90% of the people coming on this site are not "paid' members. Why should they have any say on what is posted where?

There are TONS of people on here with all kinds of logos, footers, and crap in their posts. Why worry about what CJ put in his? He was/is a gold member.

And while I'm at, I think people who aren't a gold member should take all that logo and footer crap out of their posts. I don't need to see a picture of your cue in all their posts. Also, I don't care what it is made of, what weight it is, who made it, or what kind of case you have. If you want people to see that, post it in the Gallery somewhere...not on every post you make.

 

[franko]

Agree

CJ was a good contributor here. Too bad he doesn't come on here more often.

I agree , you have a Pool forum and have a professional willing to converse but a few small minds know better.
I hope he ignores the B&C players and comes back on here.

 

[franko]

So

He was a good contributor, but he was only here for one thing.
To sell stuff.

Tramp I love you but so what if that is all he was here to do? No one is forced to buy anything . It was great reading what a professional had to say.

 

[justadub]

Folks need to stop saying that CJ was "run off" the forum. I'm quite certain that isn't possible. He always seemed to me to be above that sort of stuff, and appeared to revel in the conflict to an extent.

He also seemed (to me) to look down upon most of us. Just my opinion.

I think he merely lost his interest in mingling amongst us. The site and how it works lost his attention. I don't see him posting much on Facebook lately either. Quite likely this sort of stuff isn't important enuf to him at this time.

Interesting guy. I wasn't always a fan of how he operated here, but thats no big deal. I enjoyed many of his stories from his past. Some of his instructional comments here were very helpful to me, when he stayed away from the Zen stuff. He sent me one of his DVDs, which I really appreciated, and view from time to time. He could be aggravating here at times, mostly when I think he was tweaking certain posters for his own amusement, but he's hardly alone in doing that.

Its a shame he's not contributing currently, but I'm quite certain that he wasn't "run off" the site. I bet he would laugh at that thought...

 

[Nine ... corner]

Its a shame he's not contributing currently, but I'm quite certain that he wasn't "run off" the site. I bet he would laugh at that thought...

You're probably right, dub. However, why that is commonly believed is the fact that following almost every CJ post was a series of vitriolic responses from certain knuckleheads. The more I think about it the more I agree with you because CJ never seemed to be deterred by the nastiness.

Hopefully he'll read this thread, which is more positive on his contributions than negative, and decide to begin contributing again. There have been other pros that popped in from time to time and just gave up due to the hassle of the trolls. Just my $.02.

 

[BeiberLvr]

FWIW, I think the "owners" of the site determine what should be where. 90% of the people coming on this site are not "paid' members. Why should they have any say on what is posted where?

There are TONS of people on here with all kinds of logos, footers, and crap in their posts. Why worry about what CJ put in his? He was/is a gold member.

And while I'm at, I think people who aren't a gold member should take all that logo and footer crap out of their posts. I don't need to see a picture of your cue in all their posts. Also, I don't care what it is made of, what weight it is, who made it, or what kind of case you have. If you want people to see that, post it in the Gallery somewhere...not on every post you make.

Go into settings and turn off signatures. I did, and it cleaned things up quite a bit.

 

[Tramp Steamer]

FWIW, I think the "owners" of the site determine what should be where. 90% of the people coming on this site are not "paid' members. Why should they have any say on what is posted where?

There are TONS of people on here with all kinds of logos, footers, and crap in their posts. Why worry about what CJ put in his? He was/is a gold member.

And while I'm at, I think people who aren't a gold member should take all that logo and footer crap out of their posts. I don't need to see a picture of your cue in all their posts. Also, I don't care what it is made of, what weight it is, who made it, or what kind of case you have. If you want people to see that, post it in the Gallery somewhere...not on every post you make.

Yeah, and if you required everyone here to be a paid member you'd have only 10% of your membership left.
Why should your donation entitle you to any more than anyone else. Sounds like pure elitism to me. President Trump shall hear about this shit.

 

[pt109]

Yeah, and if you required everyone here to be a paid member you'd have only 10% of your membership left.
Why should your donation entitle you to any more than anyone else. Sounds like pure elitism to me. President Trump shall hear about this shit.

Tramp....they should pay you.

...but I still miss CJ

 

[Nine ... corner]

Tramp....they should pay you.

...but I still miss CJ

He is getting paid. I heard it as gospel from Harry Reid.

 

[Tramp Steamer]

Tramp....they should pay you.

...but I still miss CJ

You know, my friend, I kind of do too. His knowledge of the game is/was invaluable, and he was not afraid to mix it up a bit, and he had a very good sense of humor.
Like I mentioned to Hawaiian Eye, I believe the Main Forum should be devoid of mercantilism. :smile:

 

[Mole Eye]

Without getting into the discussion of why Mr. Wiley posted, I just wanted people to know that at least for one night, TOI worked like a charm. Yes, I may have been concentrating better because of the different approach, but the fact is, it worked. No, I am not selling his DVD's. I do wish he was still here sharing his knowledge, for whatever reason. As Bugs Bunny says-that's all folks.

 

[mrkdenton]

People from azbilliards ran cj off. I was talking to him like a year or a little more ago while he was playing in the Midwest tourney at shooters in Olathe. And I ask him about this exact thing of why he puts up with all the nasty posters on here. And he said something along the lines of the Internet tough guys on azbilliards in general don't bother him cause everyone of them would be a church mouse if in person with him. Which I totally agreed with him. But he did say he was getting sick of all the negativity on here towards him and was about done with it. To bad. I really enjoyed his posts. Really a genuine guy. He is just a real confident/cocky sure of himself kind of guy. Nothing wrong with that. imo

 

[Neil]

I believe that nobody ever should ever share anything useful here again.

You got that right Dave!

 

[dawgcpa]

Cj

I also enjoyed his posts and miss him on the forum. I don t understand how some people can't leave well enough alone. If it's not your cup of tea, just ignore it. One of the problems in the world now is everyone thinks they need to get in everyone's business and save the world. If you can add to the thread, do it but if not, move on. If that would have happened, we would still be enjoying CJ.

 

[one stroke]

I also enjoyed his posts and miss him on the forum. I don t understand how some people can't leave well enough alone. If it's not your cup of tea, just ignore it. One of the problems in the world now is everyone thinks they need to get in everyone's business and save the world. If you can add to the thread, do it but if not, move on. If that would have happened, we would still be enjoying CJ.

I enjoyed them and I loved a little banter with him also , if your going to start a thread in the main forum and you make statements of opinion like comparing things to other sports and such your going to get other opinions on that which in my opinion is ok remember this is a discussion forum and disagreement with him and adding your input is adding to the thread , when it gets personal is when it takes away from the thread and that's what happened to many times for his likening plus ultimately he was trying to push a product and FB has opened up a big adiunce to market products better than here

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[Poolmanis]

Without getting into the discussion of why Mr. Wiley posted, I just wanted people to know that at least for one night, TOI worked like a charm. Yes, I may have been concentrating better because of the different approach, but the fact is, it worked. No, I am not selling his DVD's. I do wish he was still here sharing his knowledge, for whatever reason. As Bugs Bunny says-that's all folks.

I actually have not seen TOI video or any of C.J´s stuff. But I tried stuff he described on forum. I think best thing at TOI is that you get rid from bad habits.. Like throwing balls with outside english even when it is not needed. My game high end have not changed much after C.J influence but my consistency went on another level(and i think that what he try to teach. how to be consistent under pressure ).

 

[justinb386]

C.J. Wiley is a businessman.
That's what businessmen do.
Do we actually think we are gong to "play like the pros" after buying a video?
As you well know, that's all nonsensical advertising and marketing.

Which speaking of...

I bought the "Learn from the Best" video in the late 80s (remember that one?),
and it was the LAST pool video I ever purchased.
If players think they are going to glean "secrets" in pool from watching what
someone else does, they are fooling themselves.
What works for one person, rarely works the same for another.

The best way to learn is to play, have someone watch you,
ask him/her to tell you what he/she sees when you make mistakes,
correct accordingly, and then continue the practice like all get out.

IMO opinion, there are only a few maxims in pool:

Find your specific vision center,
Establish a routine,
Maintain a level cue (as practical as one can),
and learn what works best for YOU.

Anything anyone else attempts to "teach" you --especially through videos--
is a waste of time and money.

Nice reply. I never had the extra money to take lessons, but I think the best advice I ever received was "stay down on the ball / stay down on your shot, all the way through the follow through of the cue ball". I agree that a player teaching his way of aiming, may not and probably will not work for most other players. You just have to practice a lot, shoot good drills, and learn your own aiming system that works for you (not an aiming system that worked very well for some other player). I might be completely wrong, but this is just my opinion.

 

[justinb386]

Cj ran cj off. He did not come here to share in his experiences and talk amongst the "common" folks, he came to sell some products in the main forum, clog it with nonsense, and act a fool. When he got tired of that or stopped making money on them he left.

If you want an example of a billiard products company that understands how to conduct themselves in a professional manner look no further than OB CUES!

A fine example in my opinion.

Op im glad cj helped your game and it is kind of you to send a shoutout. I dont wish to pee in your thread so this will be my last post.

Yeah, he seemed to be all about business and selling his product to me. I do remember a few replies that he made, that were about a pool story, and not his product though. He may have made many replies (to other OP's threads) that did not have anything to do with his products that he was selling, but I do not know. I do remember that he was always advertising his product though (when I did see his posts).

 

[justinb386]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMB-Q-KbwX0

Seems pretty credible to me

That was some very good shooting, but I would never feel comfortable using inside english on some of the shots that he made, to get good shape on his next ball. I always used outside english, on just about everything I ever shot at (after I developed my own style of playing). I have always been very uncomfortable with using inside english, so I would either use center ball english, or outside on everything that I shot at. I take that back, some shots I am comfortable with using inside english, but I think they are always on follow through shots, and never shots where I am drawing the cue ball off of the rail. Please understand that any type of english can be used to make the object ball, but when needing to get shape on the next ball, then knowing what type of english to use and how to hit the object ball (with the correct amount of speed to the cue ball, and I may be missing other aspects), is critical. I never took any lessons. I just learned from watching the better players, and playing against them. My only point is that I do not believe in aiming systems. I just believe in learning good mechanics (good form), and from there, just learning some good drills to practice, and creating your own unique aiming style (one that will hopefully work good for you). I would never expect anyone to understand the style and the reasoning behind the types of english that I use during play. Would trying to learn the TOI system help my game? I do not know, but I will never try to learn it. It just does not make any sense to me.

 

[justinb386]

He contributed, which is more than many can claim. Who doesn't use a TOI occasionally, if not more often in rotation games? Money may have been a motivation but he shared and I would rather read his posts than many of the "fire balls" who can only hate but have nothing worthwhile to share. JMO

TOI might be best for some shots, but not all shots. His TOI system just did not make any sense to me. My way of playing is just completely different. I just imagine that changing your entire style of playing would be very difficult, and it may not even help. Are there any champion level players that will speak up about his system, and say how much it improved their game? If there are, then I may start believing in it.