Yes I won it in a raffle but I won it. I did not win a $32 cue I won a $350-$400 cue as it were advertised as straight and 95% mint. So I think it should be replaced with a cue worth that amount or I should receive the proceeds from the raffle and he pay to get the cue shipped back. Or him and I come to some sort of agreement. I would think this was a mistake on his part and not intentional. He has 100%positive Itrader. I am still waiting to hear from him.
A video of the cue I received
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It was shipped from Singapore and through USPS once it got to the states. Declared value of $600 but I don't know if it was insured.
One more test. Screw the shaft in and sight down the cue looking from the tip to the butt. In standing position with the butt on the table at about 30 degrees lower than the tip, sight down it and slowly turn it. If the neck is warped, you will see the joint take an oval path, and the weight of the cue will want to come to a rest on one side (the cupped side will be up).
I suspect the neck is slightly warped. The reason why it looked so bad on the video is because you were probably pressing down on the butt when you were rolling it. This amplified and exaggerates any warpage on the butt.
Basically, it sounds like the warpage is not that bad. The cue is definitely playable. Very few cues can pass every test.
Since the cue was in Singapore my assumption is it seasoned to the tropical climate (80's year round, lots of humidity) and warped - I hate getting cues from tropical climates - this happens quite a bit. It's very difficult to see butt warpage by eyeball alone if you're not testing for it. It's possible the seller didn't know the cue was warped.
Chris
Ps. I wouldn't blame you for not wanting the cue, but I'm just saying it's not junk.
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Yes this is the case
You are right again
The shop I took it to yesterday said the same thing but I was skeptical. He said he could sell it if I decided I did not want it. So after you saying the same thing, I chalked it up for the first time and shots some balls and see no ill effects.
My guess is he did not know it was warped. But it sure isn't 95% mint unless the other 5% is the warp lol. I might keep it or I might sell it. The guy at the shop said he knew a few guys that would be interested. So its all according to what they offer.
Wow, what a cue. Looks look like a FLAT TIRE, that is only "flat on one side".
That is one them good looking Cues that only "looks GOOD", but I'm sure a good Player wouldn't be hindered from playing well with it.
BUT, it's a matter of principal. If you send someone 100% GOOD MONEY for some thing less than perfect, shame on them....
That is one them good looking Cues that only "looks GOOD", but I'm sure a good Player wouldn't be hindered from playing well with it.
BUT, it's a matter of principal. If you send someone 100% GOOD MONEY for some thing less than perfect, shame on them....
Replacing or aligning the joint wouldn't help. The cue has a small warp in the wood in the forearm/neck area, from the top of the wrap to the joint.
Schons are pretty good as far as warpage. There are a lot of straight, older Schons out there. If the shaft that came with this cue is original, the cue is from the mid 1990's. Being that it was in a tropical climate, I am surprised the handle warped but not the shaft.
Chris
Chris,
are you sure the facings on the joint/shaft are ok, it could be simple as refacing them, thats whatthe roll looked like to me.
I had a cue from a very respected cue maker that everyone knows here on AZ warp about 1.5" below the joint, and I didnt get a lift of the tip off the table as bad as in the video, I'd say 75% that bad. I called him(were friends) and until I never mentioned it here, we decided to let the cue sit for a couple months to get acclimated to Vegas(cause its so dry) 4 months later the cue is lazer straight. It just needed to adjust to the climate and it came right when it adjusted. I had a similar thing with a Tad I bought from Asia-6 months later it was straight. If it was straight from day one it might need time to adjust.
I'd look into the refacing thing as well.
Chis knows more about cues than I do with out a doubt, I just wanted to share my experiances, that cues can come right after they acclimate.
best
eric
Eric,
Good idea - I forgot it may straighten out when it fully acclimates.
The cue could well have a temporary warp. There is a certain amount of climate shock in the shipping process as well. That's because there is always excess moisture in a cue that is acclimated to tropical areas. Singapore will have a humidity average of 80%+ year round.
One time I built a humidor for a business associate of mine in Hawaii and installed a humdifier. Even with no liquid, the interior of the humidor was 75% year round - and that was indoors, air conditioned.
On cues, as they acclimate, if the moisture in one part of the wood dries out faster than another part, it causes tension in the wood. Wood fibers contract and expand based on their humidity level. Too see how strong this effect is, if you take a piece of wood veneer and wet one side, it will curl up like you wouldn't believe - but wet the other side and it will once again lie flat.
Facing will correct a misalignment at the joint connection. If it was misaligned at the joint, when he took it to the cue maker it would have been spotted.
OK - here's my last trick to see if joint facing will correct a misalignment. Take a thin index card and cut a thin 1/4" piece - put some glue stick on it to make it tacky. Mark the bowed out side (visually) and screw the joint together with a piece of the index card side stuck in the joint opposite the bowed out side. Now sight the cue to see if that straightened it out. Even a badly misaligned joint will react to the index card thickness, which is roughly .007 of an inch.
Anyway, I would probably leave it alone for awhile to let the cue acclimate. If it does, you can thank Eric!
Chris
Shoot you can always figure it only cost you $32. :grin-square:
It would be bad karma to worry about it.
What is a cue like that worth?
Just keep the low side down and put that sucker to work.
Would you be ok if when you tried to redeem your lottery ticket they only gave you 7% ? Here I am told without the warp I could get $500-$550. I am still waiting to hear from seller to see if he has a solution.
Eric I can only hope it is a temporary warp. But I don't like the odds :frown:
Chris I tried the index card as you suggested and just made the bow reversed. I suspect that means the facing is ok?
Thanks to all who have taken the time to help me.
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That's the same thing I was wondering. The way I see it everyone was trying to win a problem cue. IMHO I would consider it a bogus raffle and everyone should be refunded. That's just me though.
I do hope this gets made right one way of the other for you.
Junior
hdgis1 and junior, I don't see it that way. I won a raffle for a cue valued at a minimum of the 46 spots x $8.00. I should have received a cue worth that or be compensated.
"I do hope this gets made right one way of the other for you.
Junior"
Thanks I hope it gets worked out too.
"I do hope this gets made right one way of the other for you.
Junior"
Thanks I hope it gets worked out too.
I wonder if the warp was the reason the sale never went happen. If so it would suggest he knew about the warp.
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2-17-2010
He has still not got back to me with any attempt at a solution. I also can not find and time for his latest activity.
1-30-2010
2-17-2010
buyer changed his mind and purchased another cue of mine.
He has still not got back to me with any attempt at a solution. I also can not find and time for his latest activity.
post the video in the "ASK the cue maker" forum its towards the bottom.
t looks like a facing issue to me after seeing it again, i'm not a cue maker, i cant even change a tip-But I been around a very long time and seen this kinda thing, ask those guys in that forum here on AZ, you WILL get your answere, tell them what you did with the card as well.
t looks like a facing issue to me after seeing it again, i'm not a cue maker, i cant even change a tip-But I been around a very long time and seen this kinda thing, ask those guys in that forum here on AZ, you WILL get your answere, tell them what you did with the card as well.
Since that happened, it's probably square, but it wouldn't hurt for a cue maker to check the alignment. If a refacing would help, they're cheap anyway - like $20.
Sometimes roll can be taken out of a piloted joint just by cleaning the inside of the joint on the handle side. Sometimes dirt builds up and prevents the piloted shaft from seating properly. As you can tell from the index card experiment, it doesn't take much pressure in a spot to create a misalignment.
Unfortunately, these is no cure for a warped neck.
Chris
Than to be fair he has not been on since I sent him the pm telling him its the butt not the shaft. Thanks for the tip