I'm a BHE user. Always have been and always will be.
Having said that, I liked your post. It is good info for any student that is struggling with side spin.
A word about learning sidespin
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Having said that, I liked your post. It is good info for any student that is struggling with side spin.
You can get very good with "swooping" side spin, but because your tip is moving sideways it's harder to be precise with your aim and amounts of spin - a straight stroke on the pre-angled squirt compensation line is better.
Spin shouldn't be used to make normal shots, only when you need it for shape on the next shot. Using inside spin on rail frozen shots can make them a little easier, but it's better to learn to shoot them with any (or no) spin so you can control the CB as needed.Hopefully I'm not using it wrong but for an almost 90 degree cut on a rail it works like a charm. Trying to get a perfect cut resulted in a pocketed ball maybe 5% of the time. Now I shoot the rail with heavy sidespin and now at least 33% drop
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As with any sport, we can not step outside of ourselves and watch ourselves as we are doing it. We have to know how it feels to be doing it right. There's simply no way around that. A player can measure and calculate at the table all day long, but when it comes down to execution, it's all about feel. Being in the zone means a player accomplishes a perfect rhythm and timing as they're performing. This is caused by a smooth back and forth between conscious and unconscious states while playing. Calculating is a conscious maneuver. Too much calculating will break your flow and and will prevent you from playing to your potential.
I agree about too much conscious calculating while playing - but I think it's OK (a good thing) to do while learning so your subconscious can learn to do the "calculating" while playing.
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Yes, of course. That's how you train yourself, but the trick is to not lose your identity through too much conscious training. Then you become lost.
The reason people don't have success using "backhand English" is I guess because of the name they believe they are supposed to initiate the movement with their Back Hand. This won't work except in limited cases because when you just move your back hand it doesn't also change your visual perception. In other words if you aligning to the object ball (center to center) and move your back hand one way or the other it will still look like you are shooting the object ball straight ahead.
One rule of thumb, when a player wants to play at their highest levels, try to initiate all lateral movement of the tip with the foundation, the feet. This way, when you pivot the cue to the left or right of the center cueball your eyes will also shift so that the perception stays congruent. When you keep this in mind and do it, you'll see that when you pivot the tip to the left using your lower body it will look like you are cutting the object ball to the right. This is important, I spent $700 to learn a banking system based upon this concept, within 30 days that $700 investment led to a $30,000 win, my end was $15,000 so I made over 20/1 on my investment, and it's directly and indirectly made millions since then.
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My favourite pass time at pool halls is watching the "swoopers" when it's going bad. Freak'n comical.... Introducing that type of timing into your game is just bad. Can it work...?..., definitely. Should someone who's trying to get serious about the game do it...?..., hell no.
Near 90 degree cuts frozen to rail cannot be done without siding. Near 90 degree cuts simply can't be done if the OB needs to carry any distance. I'm sure some will attempt to argue this, but physics is on my side. Spinning off the rail to pot frozen balls with sharp cuts is standard practice. It's apart of the shot, and needs to be factored into the decision whether to go for the pot or not. There are situations in this game wherein your hand is forced regarding resulting CB movement after the shot. This is one of these situations.
Agreed. Nowadays I only 'swoop' on very short shots that I hit softly. Back then, I used to do it to cut balls frozen to the end rail into the corner from the other end of the table but I'm no longer shooting those from the hip.
If we’re throwing a football back and forth and sometimes maybe you’re leading me with a pass. Do you think to yourself pull arm back this far, throw ball at this trajectory oh and wind coming SW at 3 MPH and my target is running X MPH. No you don’t or you could never throw the ball. It’s all feel just like shooting a basketball with defender running towards you. Your brain makes so many calculations instantly.
When I brought that mind frame to my pool game my game went to another level. Yes I think where I need the cue ball to be but when I get down on my shot I’m no longer thinking. I hit the object ball and the cue ball just goes there (wherever I intended for it to go). Just as I would throw a ball to someone. I know players that have to analyze every aspect of the shot like...hit the ball at 3 o’clock with medium speed and let’s not forget about side spin, squirt, deflection, throw it’s all so mind numbing. I’m not talking about beginner level players.
I’ve always used a standard shaft and have no problems using side spin with accuracy. As a matter of fact I use side spin on 90 percent of my shots. I feel side spin makes pocketing the balls easier. Yes yes I know I’m wrong with the pool detectives but I’ve been pretty successful playing like this.
Yes beginners should make note where they strike the cue ball but eventually it has to come down to feel just as driving a car or throwing a ball. Demetrius I enjoy your insights on the game and have gained perspectives from you. You are a student of the game with a open mind that’s always eager to learn and that’s why you play at the level you do.
When I brought that mind frame to my pool game my game went to another level. Yes I think where I need the cue ball to be but when I get down on my shot I’m no longer thinking. I hit the object ball and the cue ball just goes there (wherever I intended for it to go). Just as I would throw a ball to someone. I know players that have to analyze every aspect of the shot like...hit the ball at 3 o’clock with medium speed and let’s not forget about side spin, squirt, deflection, throw it’s all so mind numbing. I’m not talking about beginner level players.
I’ve always used a standard shaft and have no problems using side spin with accuracy. As a matter of fact I use side spin on 90 percent of my shots. I feel side spin makes pocketing the balls easier. Yes yes I know I’m wrong with the pool detectives but I’ve been pretty successful playing like this.
Yes beginners should make note where they strike the cue ball but eventually it has to come down to feel just as driving a car or throwing a ball. Demetrius I enjoy your insights on the game and have gained perspectives from you. You are a student of the game with a open mind that’s always eager to learn and that’s why you play at the level you do.
At play for real - yes. In RnD, however, 99% perspiration - 1% inspiration or you got nothing to feel at the for real part.
I'm not so sure I agree with that totally. I think practice also should include a rehearsal of actual match play. For example: How quickly can you find your rhythm? Can you fall into the zone during a match? Can you relax on the tough shots? How long does it take to get rolling? How much trust do you have in yourself when you play? These are all things that involve just letting yourself play.
Never thought of it that way - I like it.
Guess that's why you get the big bucks.
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You sound like a musician. I had some music lessons as a teen. There's at least a couple of practice modes there: Learning to play the instrument, and learning how to make the music. The same can be said of any skill I suppose but anyway pool is mostly skill and as such, mistakes come from technical incompetence. You guys speak of Psy triggers but to me, what? You get tricked into faulty technique? My answer to that is developing (I did say RnD) the most concise and efficient method and routine I can stand. Works for me. I improved a couple ticks just by hammering the precision aspect. If that starts to gel, then maybe I can step on the gas.
+1 on simulating match play in practice sessions. I play Doppelganger every practice session (see link) because I can focus on all elements of fundamentals and match play without any pressure or distraction. After a while, rhythm, feel, and getting in the zone just happen. Process steps meld to become "The Process" and when I play a match I just stay focused on following The Process.
The bonus of Doppelganger is the ability to set up a shot again and learn why it failed the first time and subsequently how to nail it. Instead of drilling to achieve a specific result the drill becomes dynamic, never the same, just like in a match where you don't get the do over and walk away from the miss, scratching your head instead.
https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...tice-position-play.522969/page-3#post-6822596