abc exibition: earl vs tony

poolmouse said:
earl would be doing himself a favor by hanging his cue for a few years while he seeks help. he's becoming a joke to a lot of people.

poolmouse


I think everyone would be doing themselves a favor by watching how beautiful Earll moves on the table. People seem to know full well that Earl gets hot easily so they instigate shit. Earl is such a champion and deserves to be treated with as much respect as anyone else. If you look at all the threads of people bashing Earl it is usually a spectator egging him on until he bursts. I think if people screwed with the other pros as much as they did Earl, we'd be talking about how crazy and how much they need help too. Earl is a human being that has extra-ordinary talent. Just like everyone else there are certain things that push his buttons. ANd from reading and seeing what people put Earl through I don't know if anyone here would do any different.

Tony
 
Fleece3 said:
Didn't you read were it was said he wasn't bad tonight?
I read that and i was commenting about his overall behavior.. i read about what some of Earl's friends said he had been going thru alot..that's why i made the comment about the meds as i know people that have problems and certain meds caused even more problems..i wish Earl all the best so he can over come whatever is his problem..also if i was a Tourny Director i would tell people ahead of time to behave or your out.....
 
9 Ball Girl said:
What was the woman doing?
Probably nothing out of the ordinary. Hail Mary Shot seems to be Earl's biggest fanboy and defends him no matter how out of line Earl acts... :rolleyes:
 
Fleece3 said:
If Earl was to hang up his cue at this point, it would not be for a few years. It would be for good!! And the pool world would have lost a LIVING LEGEND. Earl is still a threat to win ANY major tournament. It was only two years ago at the US Open, that on the final day there were 4 Pinos left...AND EARL!

And to the "lot of people" that Earl has become a joke to.....COULD THEY BEAT HIM?? Do ANY pros consider Earl a joke? I saw Thorsten nearly bow down to him at the event with Robles
I know I can't beat him, but I consider him a joke. The way he acts is childish, immature, insane, unbalanced, pick one....

To call him a "LIVING LEGEND" is a bit of a stretch... Sure, he WAS one of the best 9-ball players ever. Sure he is still a threat to win a major tourney... almost any current touring pro is, that's not saying much.

If Earl were to quit, pool wouldnt be losing a living legend, they would be loser another arrogant player... frankly, it would be one less thing...

Good for Earl not being "bad" that night... afterall, the match was of no value what so ever. He has no reason to be pissed off during it.
 
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Icon of Sin said:
Probably nothing out of the ordinary. Hail Mary Shot seems to be Earl's biggest fanboy and defends him no matter how out of line Earl acts... :rolleyes:

I'm not his biggest fan. I'm only saying that I don't tolerate spectators making fun of players to make them look silly or try to instigate something. surely you would know what that means, do ya? reserve the insults when they are needed to be, and not unnecessarily! hope you get that, playa ! :rolleyes:
 
Mystick Cue Fan said:
I think everyone would be doing themselves a favor by watching how beautiful Earll moves on the table. People seem to know full well that Earl gets hot easily so they instigate shit. Earl is such a champion and deserves to be treated with as much respect as anyone else. If you look at all the threads of people bashing Earl it is usually a spectator egging him on until he bursts. I think if people screwed with the other pros as much as they did Earl, we'd be talking about how crazy and how much they need help too. Earl is a human being that has extra-ordinary talent. Just like everyone else there are certain things that push his buttons. ANd from reading and seeing what people put Earl through I don't know if anyone here would do any different.

Tony

NOT! Earl needs no help to go off these days. He can find a reason, like applauding for his opponent. Or maybe his opponent plays slow or too many safes. I can remember one particular match he played against Tang in 2000 in Vegas. I merely cheered for Tang's good shooting and Earl took offense.

After the match was over (Tang won), Earl approached the rope barrier and looked at me and said very loud for all to hear, "You think I'm an A-hole don't you"? My response was, "Right now you are"! Everyone laughed and he slunk away in a funk. Where his remark came from I have no idea. I never one time rooted against him in the match or made any comment about his play. I merely appaluded Tang's good play.

For those of you who choose to make excuses for Earl, you are doing a disservice to him. He definitely needs help if he is ever to regain his championship form.
 
jay helfert said:
NOT! Earl needs no help to go off these days. He can find a reason, like applauding for his opponent. Or maybe his opponent plays slow or too many safes. I can remember one particular match he played against Tang in 2000 in Vegas. I merely cheered for Tang's good shooting and Earl took offense.

After the match was over (Tang won), Earl approached the rope barrier and looked at me and said very loud for all to hear, "You think I'm an A-hole don't you"? My response was, "Right now you are"! Everyone laughed and he slunk away in a funk. Where his remark came from I have no idea. I never one time rooted against him in the match or made any comment about his play. I merely appaluded Tang's good play.

For those of you who choose to make excuses for Earl, you are doing a disservice to him. He definitely needs help if he is ever to regain his championship form.

Jay, on that particular situation, you were right and Earl was wrong. he made a fool of himself. I'm not biased and I weigh things accordingly. I applaud Earl's best behavior and comment on his bad rep. Same treatment as that of spectators for their actions. there is a line between proper and improper manners.

so to that person who thinks I'm Earl's biggest fan, try harder. You ain't got a clue of who's my favorite player is. :rolleyes:
 
jay helfert said:
NOT! Earl needs no help to go off these days. He can find a reason, like applauding for his opponent. Or maybe his opponent plays slow or too many safes. I can remember one particular match he played against Tang in 2000 in Vegas. I merely cheered for Tang's good shooting and Earl took offense.

After the match was over (Tang won), Earl approached the rope barrier and looked at me and said very loud for all to hear, "You think I'm an A-hole don't you"? My response was, "Right now you are"! Everyone laughed and he slunk away in a funk. Where his remark came from I have no idea. I never one time rooted against him in the match or made any comment about his play. I merely appaluded Tang's good play.

For those of you who choose to make excuses for Earl, you are doing a disservice to him. He definitely needs help if he is ever to regain his championship form.


Not making excuses for him, and I didn't say he didn't need help. But, as you well know there are many out there that just provoke Earl because they know he's going to go off on them. Everyone has a different sense of humor I guess. I don't blame him for going off half the time. Granted, the other half is uncalled for, but some things people do to screw with Earl is uncalled for as well.

Tony
 
jay helfert said:
NOT! Earl needs no help to go off these days. He can find a reason, like applauding for his opponent. Or maybe his opponent plays slow or too many safes. I can remember one particular match he played against Tang in 2000 in Vegas. I merely cheered for Tang's good shooting and Earl took offense.

After the match was over (Tang won), Earl approached the rope barrier and looked at me and said very loud for all to hear, "You think I'm an A-hole don't you"? My response was, "Right now you are"! Everyone laughed and he slunk away in a funk. Where his remark came from I have no idea. I never one time rooted against him in the match or made any comment about his play. I merely appaluded Tang's good play.

For those of you who choose to make excuses for Earl, you are doing a disservice to him. He definitely needs help if he is ever to regain his championship form.

Jay, your post makes me think about the old saying, "It all depends upon whose ox is getting gored." I don't doubt for a minute that you reported exactly what you saw and heard. Your response was quite proper based upon your report in fact, you might have been a little generous with your compassionate response. ;)

Earl has never had the opportunity to stick me with some of his pissy comments and so I have no personal basis for disliking the man. I disklike a few things that he has done but I dislike a few things that I have done. I think many people who have born the brunt of Earl's harsh remarks have good reason to resent him and his unwarranted attacks.

For others who have never had a personal conflict with him, I don't quite understand the lust of repeating all of the negative stuff over and over.

I do understand acknowledging another man's improprieties as a sense of resentment but to hound another man day after day because of his perceived inadequacies is childish and as vulgar as the man's reported improprieties.

That being said, I believe in an eye for an eye.

FTR, I will never forget Earl's competitive spirit nor his accomplishments.

And to Heath, to deny that he is a living legend is to deny his phenomenal accomplishments in pool. That just doesn't make any sense unless your ox has been gored.

While everyone has a right to their opinion: if Earl's detractors were to be paid a pound of flesh for each negative act that someone has said he committed, he would no longer have meat on his bones.

This type of constant public whippings accomplishes absolutely nothing except to breed more anger and resentment and to set the stage for the public beating of another professional in our sport. There aren't many mediums for pool information and our opinions in this forum are read by many and if we are to even hope for a better future in pool, we must try to have our words bring about some positive reform.

I haven't been the kindest poster on these forums and have pounded on a few people when my ox has been gored. I don't have a lot of pride in having extracted that pound of flesh either, whether it was justified or not.

So anyway, I too would like for Earl to get help with his problems and maybe he is getting help. I would like to see tournament directors take control over people who are out of control, not just Earl but every player who steps out of line but especially the spectators. That is something that will bring about positive reform, not this constant, public humiliation that has been going on here. Our silence and acceptance of this daily flagellation speaks volumes about who we are and it sets the stage for the future way we discuss the business of pool.

AZ is a better place than it has ever been and I respect the differences of opinions even when I am in the minority.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
Jay, your post makes me think about the old saying, "It all depends upon whose ox is getting gored." I don't doubt for a minute that you reported exactly what you saw and heard. Your response was quite proper based upon your report in fact, you might have been a little generous with your compassionate response. ;)

Earl has never had the opportunity to stick me with some of his pissy comments and so I have no personal basis for disliking the man. I disklike a few things that he has done but I dislike a few things that I have done. I think many people who have born the brunt of Earl's harsh remarks have good reason to resent him and his unwarranted attacks.

For others who have never had a personal conflict with him, I don't quite understand the lust of repeating all of the negative stuff over and over.

I do understand acknowledging another man's improprieties as a sense of resentment but to hound another man day after day because of his perceived inadequacies is childish and as vulgar as the man's reported improprieties.

That being said, I believe in an eye for an eye.

FTR, I will never forget Earl's competitive spirit nor his accomplishments.

And to Heath, to deny that he is a living legend is to deny his phenomenal accomplishments in pool. That just doesn't make any sense unless your ox has been gored.

While everyone has a right to their opinion: if Earl's detractors were to be paid a pound of flesh for each negative act that someone has said he committed, he would no longer have meat on his bones.

This type of constant public whippings accomplishes absolutely nothing except to breed more anger and resentment and to set the stage for the public beating of another professional in our sport. There aren't many mediums for pool information and our opinions in this forum are read by many and if we are to even hope for a better future in pool, we must try to have our words bring about some positive reform.

I haven't been the kindest poster on these forums and have pounded on a few people when my ox has been gored. I don't have a lot of pride in having extracted that pound of flesh either, whether it was justified or not.

So anyway, I too would like for Earl to get help with his problems and maybe he is getting help. I would like to see tournament directors take control over people who are out of control, not just Earl but every player who steps out of line but especially the spectators. That is something that will bring about positive reform, not this constant, public humiliation that has been going on here. Our silence and acceptance of this daily flagellation speaks volumes about who we are and it sets the stage for the future way we discuss the business of pool.

AZ is a better place than it has ever been and I respect the differences of opinions even when I am in the minority.

JoeyA

Thanks Joey. I'm not into slamming Earl for the sport of it. I only told that story to make a point. I could tell many more stories on here about Earl, both good and bad. But that would serve no purpose.

I enjoyed watching the "great" Earl play for many years, and wish we could see it again. Perhaps this is what motivates me. However, we in the pool industry can best support Earl in reclaiming himself, is what I am for. And making excuses for him I don't believe is helping him in any way. It isn't the spectators who have made him the way he is today.

The term "tough love" keeps popping into my head. I guess I kind of love Earl too. We have been down many roads together, and a few were bumpy, but not all by any means. He is a gifted athlete, with strong convictions and a burning desire to succeed. He can tell some funny stories about a lot of players as well. But something has gotten loose up there, and it needs fixing.
 
Hail Mary Shot said:
Jay, on that particular situation, you were right and Earl was wrong. he made a fool of himself. I'm not biased and I weigh things accordingly. I applaud Earl's best behavior and comment on his bad rep. Same treatment as that of spectators for their actions. there is a line between proper and improper manners.

so to that person who thinks I'm Earl's biggest fan, try harder. You ain't got a clue of who's my favorite player is. :rolleyes:

I didn't tell this story so I could be "right" or make Earl "wrong".
 
Icon of Sin said:
Probably nothing out of the ordinary. Hail Mary Shot seems to be Earl's biggest fanboy and defends him no matter how out of line Earl acts... :rolleyes:

Read my FIRST HAND report. She was ANYTHING but ordinary!!
 
Tony who??? Not everyone on this forum knows automatically who is being talked about by a first name when there are other known players with the same first name...why do people insist on this? Obviously no need for Efren or Earl but it seems like every freaking player mentioned on this forum is only by first name or abbreviation and it gets a little annoying that not even once a last name is mentioned when there are multiple possibilities.
 
Takumi4G63 said:
Tony who??? Not everyone on this forum knows automatically who is being talked about by a first name when there are other known players with the same first name...why do people insist on this? Obviously no need for Efren or Earl but it seems like every freaking player mentioned on this forum is only by first name or abbreviation and it gets a little annoying that not even once a last name is mentioned when there are multiple possibilities.

Hint: It's not Tony Bennett ! :D
 
Takumi4G63 said:
Tony who??? Not everyone on this forum knows automatically who is being talked about by a first name when there are other known players with the same first name...why do people insist on this? Obviously no need for Efren or Earl but it seems like every freaking player mentioned on this forum is only by first name or abbreviation and it gets a little annoying that not even once a last name is mentioned when there are multiple possibilities.

They are referring to Tony Robles.
 
9 Ball Girl said:
Thanks for sharing the pics but why are they "smudgey"?

Very glad you like them, I can only assure you that...

I was high in spirits but not on any substance :rolleyes:
 
Icon of Sin said:
To call him a "LIVING LEGEND" is a bit of a stretch...

OK,
5 US Opens
6 World Titles
Ran 11 racks in one match
Went to the Philippines to play in an Philippine tournament and WON (Last three opponents were Efren, Busta, and Archer)

If those accomplishments does not qualify you as a legend, what does?

That would be like Tiger Woods winning 5 US Opens and 6 Masters...Would he be a legend?

Jordan won 6 NBA titles (a team sport) ...Is he a legend?
 
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