about other size join pin?

Adonisy

Adonisy

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Hello everyone , I bought CUE Smith II from Chris last two weeks ago,and
I want to be a good cue maker , I know many cue maker repair cues first

(p.s: cue Smith lathe is very good .... )

but I have a question , if someone want to repair their cue , but they
have especial joint pin , such as 3/8-12 ,3/8-14 (Bender),CAPONE Radial Pin (3/8-7.5)

where can I find these join pin, or Joint Protector Pins ??

because
http://www.atlasbilliards.com

do not have especial joint pin , how can I find these join pin , joint protector pins, or tap? thanks
 
thanks...

but I send mail to Unique Products Inc for 3 months ago
not receive their email.......

:(
 
Adonisy said:
thanks...

but I send mail to Unique Products Inc for 3 months ago
not receive their email.......

:(
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Try again next week. They are going to Vegas for the show.
I'm anxious to meet them myself.
 
Adonisy said:
Hello everyone , I bought CUE Smith II from Chris last two weeks ago,and
I want to be a good cue maker , I know many cue maker repair cues first

(p.s: cue Smith lathe is very good .... )

but I have a question , if someone want to repair their cue , but they
have especial joint pin , such as 3/8-12 ,3/8-14 (Bender),CAPONE Radial Pin (3/8-7.5)

where can I find these join pin, or Joint Protector Pins ??

because
http://www.atlasbilliards.com

do not have especial joint pin , how can I find these join pin , joint protector pins, or tap? thanks
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The reason they made these pins to start with was to make it very difficult for other cuemakers to make shafts for their cues. It can be done but I don't think it is worth the time or expense to deal with these "bastard" threads. It does not seem fair to the customer because when the cuemaker dies how is the customer supposed to get a new shaft without great expense?

To acquire the pins you are going to have to have them special made at great expense.

One thing you will learn very fast is when to turn down certain repair work.
 
Arnot Wadsworth said:
The reason they made these pins to start with was to make it very difficult for other cuemakers to make shafts for their cues. It can be done but I don't think it is worth the time or expense to deal with these "bastard" threads. It does not seem fair to the customer because when the cuemaker dies how is the customer supposed to get a new shaft without great expense?
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thanks , I will tell them I can not repair their cue :cool:

I like 3/8 10 very much ....
 
It does not seem fair to the customer because when the cuemaker dies how is the customer supposed to get a new shaft without great expense?
Ouch, but true.
Where's the maker's conscience when he tries to charge repairmen $30 for his bastard pin?
 
JoeyInCali said:
It does not seem fair to the customer because when the cuemaker dies how is the customer supposed to get a new shaft without great expense?
Ouch, but true.
Where's the maker's conscience when he tries to charge repairmen $30 for his bastard pin?
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But the cuemaker doesn't want anyone, ever working on his cue. If everyone can easily work on it then it's too easy for the cue owner to pass the work off as the original cuemakers work.

I saw a schon limited yesterday that the guy had some hack put an ivory joint on it. He basically ground off the brass shaft inserts so he wouldn't have to pilot the ivory to accomadate the shaft insert. No phenolic sleeve under the ivory or anything on the inside and it wasn't even smooth. Just ivory slammed up against grinded metal and wood.

It would be really easy for anyone seeing that cue just to assume it came like that new. How would schon feel about that? Well, they wont touch a cue that has been worked on like that by someone else.

BUT...... if the cuemaker is going to have that attitude they need to make it easier for owners of their cues to get repairs and upgrades. They don't have to charge less but make it painless to send the cue. Maybe give existing customers priority. I bought all of my dvd players at the same store and have a contract the covers all of them. When one broke and needed repair, I went to the front of the line. It got fixed first. I like that.

I recently was in correspondance with a custom cue maker about a repair. I needed a but cap replaced. He basically wouldn't talk to me on the phone. "JUST SEND THE CUE AND LEAVE ME ALONE" basic attitude. Wanted waaay to much to fix it and was rude about it. Basically wanted a blank check.

I ended up having it fixed by someone else so now there's no name on the butt and sold it at a loss. Just so I didn't have to deal with the original cue maker. It goes both ways.
 
Arnot Wadsworth said:
The reason they made these pins to start with was to make it very difficult for other cuemakers to make shafts for their cues. It can be done but I don't think it is worth the time or expense to deal with these "bastard" threads. It does not seem fair to the customer because when the cuemaker dies how is the customer supposed to get a new shaft without great expense?

To acquire the pins you are going to have to have them special made at great expense.

One thing you will learn very fast is when to turn down certain repair work.
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Tap tap Arnot
 
SalientBeing said:
But the cuemaker doesn't want anyone, ever working on his cue. If everyone can easily work on it then it's too easy for the cue owner to pass the work off as the original cuemakers work.

I saw a schon limited yesterday that the guy had some hack put an ivory joint on it. He basically ground off the brass shaft inserts so he wouldn't have to pilot the ivory to accomadate the shaft insert. No phenolic sleeve under the ivory or anything on the inside and it wasn't even smooth. Just ivory slammed up against grinded metal and wood.

It would be really easy for anyone seeing that cue just to assume it came like that new. How would schon feel about that? Well, they wont touch a cue that has been worked on like that by someone else.

BUT...... if the cuemaker is going to have that attitude they need to make it easier for owners of their cues to get repairs and upgrades. They don't have to charge less but make it painless to send the cue. Maybe give existing customers priority. I bought all of my dvd players at the same store and have a contract the covers all of them. When one broke and needed repair, I went to the front of the line. It got fixed first. I like that.

I recently was in correspondance with a custom cue maker about a repair. I needed a but cap replaced. He basically wouldn't talk to me on the phone. "JUST SEND THE CUE AND LEAVE ME ALONE" basic attitude. Wanted waaay to much to fix it and was rude about it. Basically wanted a blank check.

I ended up having it fixed by someone else so now there's no name on the butt and sold it at a loss. Just so I didn't have to deal with the original cue maker. It goes both ways.
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And your point is..........
 
SalientBeing said:
But the cuemaker doesn't want anyone, ever working on his cue. If everyone can easily work on it then it's too easy for the cue owner to pass the work off as the original cuemakers work.
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The real reason for this is so that the cuemaker can gouge for repairs, and get away with it.
I saw a schon limited yesterday that the guy had some hack put an ivory joint on it. He basically ground off the brass shaft inserts so he wouldn't have to pilot the ivory to accomadate the shaft insert. No phenolic sleeve under the ivory or anything on the inside and it wasn't even smooth. Just ivory slammed up against grinded metal and wood.
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Serves the person that took it to the hack right. As a cuemaker, you can't control the actions of your customers, and to try to do so by making it difficult for others to work on it is silly.
It would be really easy for anyone seeing that cue just to assume it came like that new. How would schon feel about that? Well, they wont touch a cue that has been worked on like that by someone else.
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A good reason to only buy from a reliable source, or the cuemaker him/herself.
BUT...... if the cuemaker is going to have that attitude they need to make it easier for owners of their cues to get repairs and upgrades. They don't have to charge less but make it painless to send the cue.
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Agreed!
I recently was in correspondance with a custom cue maker about a repair. I needed a but cap replaced. He basically wouldn't talk to me on the phone. "JUST SEND THE CUE AND LEAVE ME ALONE" basic attitude. Wanted waaay to much to fix it and was rude about it. Basically wanted a blank check.
I ended up having it fixed by someone else so now there's no name on the butt and sold it at a loss. Just so I didn't have to deal with the original cue maker. It goes both ways.
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Too bad, that's the way to lose customers.
 
> I've also had this experience,having to turn away 30-40 worth of repairs because I didn't have a SW lathe pin,and was not about to try and chuck up on his custom joint protectors,but I explained the situation to this customer. His response was calling Laurie at SW and asking for a raw joint pin that we could use as a lathe driver. It showed up in 2 days,and I got the work done,and got to keep the pin to boot. I can't blame cuemakers for using a proprietary pin,either as the result of finding a "better" connector or to try and keep their repair work on their own cues,but in this day and age it is MUCH harder to come up with something truly unique enough that someone can't make a shaft for it. I am slowly acquiring joint/lathe pins for all of the "odd" pins,usually from the cuemaker themselves,explaining that I am simply putting together a repair kit,and need a lathe pin and female joint protector for their pins in case of someone wanting a tip or rewrap right then,and not wanting to wait for shipping. Tommy D.
 
I mail to Laurie , and she said their joint pins does not for sale...

so I mail to Pete Ohman , he sold me 10 pins...

just say thank you for Pete... :)
 
All I do is take some masking tape and wrap it around the pin and put the pin into the chuck of my lathe. That way I dont ding up the joint pin. I take my time putting the tape on so the butt of the cue will still roll true in the lathe. As far as shaft I have been able to find pins at the local harware store. I think I have just been lucky. Had to buy the uni loc / radial from atlas though but money well spent I think cause I have gotten alot of repairs on lucasi that more than make up for it!! I LOVE THE WAY THEY WRAP A CUE!!!! I love it when some one says look at my new lucasi. I am always thinking in a month you will be asking me if I can put on a new wrap on for you!!
 
Adonisy said:
I mail to Laurie , and she said their joint pins does not for sale...

so I mail to Pete Ohman , he sold me 10 pins...

just say thank you for Pete... :)
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yeah I got that with viking they wouldnt sell any of thier quick release joints
 
lukeinva said:
yeah I got that with viking they wouldnt sell any of thier quick release joints
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It's just a 5/16-18 thread :confused: :rolleyes:
You shouldn't need anything special, besides some threaded rod and a grinder...
 
BiG_JoN said:
It's just a 5/16-18 thread :confused: :rolleyes:
You shouldn't need anything special, besides some threaded rod and a grinder...
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I was thinking that cuemakers often use standard 'screw-cutting' engine lathes ... why not just make a pin ... that's what lathes are for ! With the proper change-gears / quick-change ratios there is no such thing as a non-standard thread to a lathe !

Dave

BTW, if anyone out there has a South Bend 9" lathe but no steady or follow rest, I have one of each on ebay right now ...
 
DaveK said:
I was thinking that cuemakers often use standard 'screw-cutting' engine lathes ... why not just make a pin ... that's what lathes are for ! With the proper change-gears / quick-change ratios there is no such thing as a non-standard thread to a lathe !
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Oh, but there is. There are a few out there that use an ODD PITCH. The most popular is probably the Radial pin. So unless you have a CNC lathe, or are very tricky, it is difficult to cut threads that your lathe doesnt have the proper setting for.
 
Sheldon said:
Oh, but there is. There are a few out there that use an ODD PITCH. The most popular is probably the Radial pin. So unless you have a CNC lathe, or are very tricky, it is difficult to cut threads that your lathe doesnt have the proper setting for.
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Tap Tap Tap Sheldon. The screws are not really the problem. The real problem is the Tap. It is not economically feasible to have a special tap made to do just a couple of cues.
 
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