Accounting for Variables: Squirt + Swerve + Throw (SIT, CIT)

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FeelDaShot

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Just out of curiosity, how many variables do you consciously account for when shooting a spin shot?

Squirt/Deflection
Swerve
Cut Induced Throw
Spin Induced Throw

Taking the time to seriously think about the affect of each of the above can be very tedious. Depending on the cut angle, speed, etc. I usually ignore a few of the above since they either cancel each other out or have minimal effect. What do you guys do?
 
FeelDaShot said:
Just out of curiosity, how many variables do you consciously account for when shooting a spin shot?

Squirt/Deflection
Swerve
Cut Induced Throw
Spin Induced Throw

Taking the time to seriously think about the affect of each of the above can be very tedious. Depending on the cut angle, speed, etc. I usually ignore a few of the above since they either cancel each other out or have minimal effect. What do you guys do?
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Consciously?? None. There is NO way i could play a lick if i had to think about this all the time. You have to play enough(and know your cue well) so that these adjustments are done automatically/on -the-fly. MAYBE during practice sessions but never while playing a game.
 
garczar said:
Consciously?? None. There is NO way i could play a lick if i had to think about this all the time. You have to play enough(and know your cue well) so that these adjustments are done automatically/on -the-fly. MAYBE during practice sessions but never while playing a game.
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My thought exactly. Great reply.
 
Depends on the shot. If the CB and OB are close together I'm definitely not accounting for swerve. If I'm trying to softly stun a mild cut I'm accounting for cut-induced-throw, but for most other shots I'm not. I'll adjust for spin induced throw if I'm using a lot of outside and a softer speed, but otherwise I ignore it. I'm always adjusting for squirt, and I'm always conscious that I'm doing so, but I'm using feel rather than any conscious process to determine how much.
 
If I had to consciously think about all that it would be overwhelming. I’m sure I did when I first started playing but now it’s all done subconsciously.
 
FeelDaShot said:
Just out of curiosity, how many variables do you consciously account for when shooting a spin shot?

Squirt/Deflection
Swerve
Cut Induced Throw
Spin Induced Throw

Taking the time to seriously think about the affect of each of the above can be very tedious. Depending on the cut angle, speed, etc. I usually ignore a few of the above since they either cancel each other out or have minimal effect. What do you guys do?
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Using my System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS), all I think about before the shot (while I am standing) is throw (if it is important for the shot) to adjust my initial aim, and speed and distance to pick the correct BHE/FHE percentages to automatically adjust for squirt and swerve. I don't think about anything while actually shooting a shot, other than delivering my cue straight at the desired speed.

For demonstrations of how I do this, see the videos and info here:

aim compensation using sidespin

The factors I consider when evaluating throw can be found at the bottom of the page here:

"adjusting aim for throw" tutorial

Enjoy,
Dave
 
I try not to overthink these, but specific shots I will be very aware of them.

This stuck-on-the-rail shot comes up all the time
and I feel like I have to aim to slightly overcut it, to account for collision-induced throw.

This thick-hit back cut
feels like I have to overcut by half a diamond to make it.

A short-to-medium length cut like this, I feel like I can
use a little inside or outside and not think about it, swerve and deflection and throw all cancel out pretty well.
Or the pocket is large enough to tolerate the slight overcut/undercut.

But if I have to hit a cut firm, at distance, with plenty of inside,
there's no way I can just autopilot that.

On this kind of shot, where I have to pound it with lots of outside (15 ball),
I need to aim to overcut to the outer nipple to make the ball, because it will deflect quite a bit even at pretty close range.
But if I have more angle, like the 14 ball, some outside feels totally easy,
I just aim where I would with no english, and swerve+throw takes care of the rest.

I wish I could somehow avoid thinking of this stuff and still pocket balls, but I can't.
But I certainly don't think of ALL of them on ALL shots. That would be nuts.
 
All and more. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. I do hit more better today than in the past. On the average. Every failure is an opportunity to grow. I read that here. Somewhere. A mind is a turrible thing to waste. So glad I found this game. And this message board. Profanity and determination we’re not enough. I’ve benefited through the generosity of others.

Knowledge!
 
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