Accu-Rack or Magic Rack?
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That was ridiculous.
Actually I just found this on a search.... The Sardo only worked if you tapped the table.. That's why it died a fast death... As far as Accu-Rack vs tragic wreck...
This is NOT the Magic Rack or even one of the Asian Racks like the Turtle Rack... We own the intellectual property because WE made these from the ground up.... geometry and proprietary materials..... They are the Accu-Racks from Outsville.... If you think we are the same lets just talk results.... When World class players are playing......
2011 Mosconi Cup... Magic Rack... Thrown out after day 1...
2013 Accu-Stats 8Ball Invitational... Magic Rack.. Thrown out after day 1.....
2011 Music City Open.. Accu-Rack.. Maybe the best finals ever!
2014 Accu-Stats 8Ball Invitational... Accu-Rack... 117 Racks and breaks.. No slugs and the 6 world class players invited had glowing reviews...
2015 40th US Open 9Ball Championships.. 572 racks in the Arena and we had ONE re-rack because it was crooked.. We also got new converts.. Darren Appleton said point of fact these are the BEST templates on the market and everyone should get behind them....
2015 Accu-Stats MIH 10ball... Maybe the best offensive tourney ever... We racked the 2-3 on the wings which made things a little easy but Earl goes off for a .975 after he changes his break after being destroyed early....
2016 Music City Open... Coming Up
2016 Derby City Classic... Minis this year.. Main necxt year
2016 Billiard Kombat Open - Bucharest..... Coming up
2016 past that? Hide and Watch... It's time our tournaments and professional players played in the same formats with the same pressure as the rest of the world...
No one likes change, but the winds are blowing... Our templates will reward or punish you depending on only YOU....
We even have a handful of US Open sets in the Store for $22 that will never be reprinted again......
This is going to come across as a biased question.
But when did it become okay to play with a foreign object on the pool table? Seriously, I can't stand those racks. Bust the balls open and you watch the slow rollers start shifting directions etc.
I can't be the only one who thinks that playing with this are affecting the game?
It doesn't affect the game nearly as much as a loose rack does.
KMRUNOUT
Nothing against The Renfro but my choice is my Delta 13 Elite. If I was forced to use a template it would most definitely be an Accu-Rack. But I like my Delta 13 because my table is in very good condition and the oldest ball set of my 3 sets is just over 2 years old so it works very good for me. If I was not using premium cloth and balls I may have an entirely different outlook on this.
Exactly. Nothing worse than slamming into a rack and have a bunch of clusters because the rack was loose. Or watching some jackass make his opponent rerack 5 times.
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Actually fast I agree with you if the conditions allow it to work... I would much rather use a delta13 on new cloth with new balls and be allowed to rack for myself... Was the way we all grew up...
The one big thing I don't think we talked about was the fact that in rack your own events every one seems to want to accuse the winner of cheating.. We have seen it the 2 years at the Open before the Accu-Rack was used...
Shane is to the point that I think that he is over that fact... Barry even said Shane was the one who was most in favor of the changes.... He wanted to win it without being called a cheat... IS it any wonder he called the foul on himself getting on the hill in the Corey match??
That guy is a class act if you like him or not....
But when did it become okay to play with a foreign object on the pool table? Seriously, I can't stand those racks. Bust the balls open and you watch the slow rollers start shifting directions etc.
I can't be the only one who thinks that playing with this are affecting the game?
And it seems against the rules, to me.
[my emphasis]
Seems a steep price to pay for making the game easier. And why would we want that anyways?
Thank You Kindly.
Actually easier is arguable if the 9ball or 10ball is on the spot... See the AtLarge posts on break stats....
As far as it effecting slow rollers all of the pro players understand that it will be a random outcome and as such the gains in having no racking wars and everyone getting fair racks outweighs the possibility that something that is random occurs and occurs less than probably 3-4% of the time...
It's funny... a ball hits 4 cushions travels 25' collides with 2 others balls and is altered 1/4" at the end of it's travel by the template and someone is going to lose their mind... Luckily the pros see past that.. It just becomes part of the game and they move on...
Templates have been in use in Asia and Europe for a decade in the pro events and even in the world championship events...
The only ones who seem to be lagging behind is the USA... A few promoters here in the states that are old school and players A)who can rig the rack for themselves or against their opponents B) are traditionalist/old school C)who are amateurs and may not understand the racking wars and secrets that have been being waged in the US for several years now...
When some players spend more time racking at the big events than it takes to play a game it's time for those shenanigans to hit the bricks.. Start everyone with a fair rack and let the best player/shooter win.....
The biggest event here in the US is the US Open 9-Ball Championships... We have already been told that we will be welcome to return after the success we had at the 2015 40th Anniversary Open..... There are break stats available here if you search.....
Of course the pros are going to be in favor of anything which increases their own relative chance of winning, for example, reducing randomness in racks. Especially if people are willing to overlook the facts that it violates the rules. And amateurs and spectators will want a bit of randomness.
Those are the biases being brought to bear on the question. Now we need to decide.
Thank You Kindly.
The rules you stated were in regards to what a player cannot do... The template becomes part of the table/equipment when in place so it's altering of the ball path is not different than when the rail alters the path or a collision with another ball does or even when the ball rolls over a piece of chalk that just fell off a player's cue or cube of chalk...
The WPA is actually the main governing body and wrote the rules.. I am pretty sure the fact that they sanction the use of templates in their events is a good indicator as to rule violations....
Templates are only increasing in use here in the U.S. at events. The industry overwhelmingly is in favor of them as well as many of the fans...
The use of a template does not remove all aspects of randomness.. Money ball on the spot with a template and the professional players are not suddenly going to be running out sets...
And if "We" are going to decide anything it might be a good idea for those who are against templates to actually try them out...
A random rack is not going to increase an amateur's chances against a pro unless the randomness is a mirage and the amateur is doing something that the pro is not or is unaware of.... When randomness is favoring the same players every event I think you can quit calling it random anymore.....