Action In Calif.

[nfty9er]

Hey back

Hey nfty9er,

I agree with Tom. You never know who is reading this forum (or watching a match). A lot of players have been escorted out the back door and relieved of their winnings by people who should have never had known about the time, place and amount of cash available. Several people were relieved of their investment principle at the DCC. Too much flash cash. Too many shady characters. Unfortunately, it is also possible some of the observers may be the men in blue or the federals. I agree its a courtesy, not permission.

This was about a match that was already over. Give me a break. It was the next day, everyone is gone. Are you telling me the next day someone is going steal someones money. These guys are regulars at Family Billiards, everyone know everyone else there. The railbirds had about 9000 bet. How is what I reported an influence on anything. Also what secret or inside information am I giving away giving the results of a match. You cannot keep these things quiet. Do you people want to sequester the audience and tell them not to say anything to anyone about a match. The best fun about this forum is you can hear about action all over the world. I would guess all the money was put up by backers so the money was protected. Some of you people are living in the past.

 

[senor]

This was about a match that was already over. Give me a break. It was the next day, everyone is gone. Some of you people are living in the past.

I think it's safe to say there is no right or wrong answer, but there is common practice. And what was initially done is not common practice. Personally, the only time I expect to see my name in cyberspace regarding pool conquests is if I do well in a tournament.

 

[thebigdog]

Rick.... "proper etiquette" I don't think I have ever heard these two words used in the pool room LOL

Some "reporters" don't see anything wrong with telling what they saw in a public place.

Some "reporters" say "if they don't want it known, why did they let everyone know the details in the first place?"

Have you ever read a sign in a club house:

"What you see here, What you say here, What you do here.... Stays HERE"

IN a pool room, I consider it a club house for pool players.
IMO, AZBilliards is a public forum, not a club house.

Once again, this is just my opinion.

But, if you want to post a result of a match, with details, don't expect me to share any info with what I know is going to happen (Who, Where, When, what game, spot if any and how much), because I know someone will end up posting it in this or another forum.

I can see where Tom is coming from somewhat. But posting the results is not going to kill anyones action it can only help. Its not like people are not going to hear about it anyway, in this game everyone finds out when there is action like this especially in the bay area. This is the first real action that I've heard going on around here since I started playing again. When I was playing about a dozen years ago in Southern California these types of games where very common. But nobody seems to be matching up at least not in the bay area, so this my help and maybe some road players may decide to make their way out here.
People posting the results on this site will not kill any action for Billy Palmer, not nearly as much as him taking 3rd at the DCC.

 

[Rickw]

I think we all want to know who beat who and for how much. The problem is how to do that without causing anyone any harm. I for one would be devastated if anything I said caused someone to lose action or be audited by the IRS. My desire to know is far exceeded by my desire to ensure no one gets hurt! It would be nice if we could come up with some way to pass some information along as safely as possible because it's going to happen. When action occurs, someone is going to spill the beans, there's no doubt about that.

 

[Purdman]

Wait a minute

If I get together with, lets say, Rickw, and we decide to play two sets of five ahead 9 ball for $5,000 a set. Nobody know but me and Rickw. If the word gets out, one of us opened our yap. Nobody has to know anything. If you open your yap and let everybody know whats going on, you screwed up. No matter it be the feds, john law, the robbers and thiefs, or your ol'lady who is gonna kick your ass when she finds out. Seriously, who is really at fault here?
Can't ya just payoff in private. It's like carrying a gun, man, nobody needs to know about it but the guy you plug. JMHO
Don P.

 

[Frank_Glenn]

Can't ya just payoff in private. It's like carrying a gun, man, nobody needs to know about it but the guy you plug. JMHO

Actually, if you shoot them in the back they don't even have to know. I've found the fewer that know this sort of thing the better, YMMV

 

[Purdman]

Actually, if you shoot them in the back they don't even have to know. I've found the fewer that know this sort of thing the better, YMMV

That's my point Frank. I wonder who let the cat out in the first place.
Don P.

 

[thebigdog]

I understand that after the robber left, they got up more money and kept on gambling. This time the money wasn't put on the light fixture.

Wasn't it Francisco who was robbed? I thought that it was Francisco Gallindo not Ernesto, I could be wrong.

 

[Gerald]

I think that Keith will confirm that it was him and Bill Incardonna and that the robbers didn't know that the $ was on the light--unless Hardtimes has been hit more than once.

 

[Rickw]

Alright Already!

Okay. I love to hear good stories about action; who won, who lost and for how much, but the heck with it. I guess this really is not the right forum for that kind of thing. You guys have all convinced me. It doesn't appear that it's possible for someone not to get into some trouble if their business is on the net. I can totally understand that. Isn't it a good thing that we had this discussion though? Now I'm not going to ask and I hope no one tells. I am never uttering a word about action matches again. My lips are sealed.

And Don, we're only playing 9B for that $5K right? No 1H my friend!

If I get together with, lets say, Rickw, and we decide to play two sets of five ahead 9 ball for $5,000 a set. Nobody know but me and Rickw. If the word gets out, one of us opened our yap. Nobody has to know anything. If you open your yap and let everybody know whats going on, you screwed up. No matter it be the feds, john law, the robbers and thiefs, or your ol'lady who is gonna kick your ass when she finds out. Seriously, who is really at fault here?
Can't ya just payoff in private. It's like carrying a gun, man, nobody needs to know about it but the guy you plug. JMHO
Don P.

 

[Banker Burt]

To my knowledge it is legal in California for two players to wager an amount against each other in a(ny) game of sport. It is illlegal though for any person to wager on the match outside of the actual stake. So much for the fed's or local authorities, unless I'm wrong of course. Maybe if one of you are listening you could help us know the law.
(Others states, I know to have different laws than California).

As far as the issue about etiquette, I think it wiser to see it as good or bad business practice. In other words, if it is not your business (match, money, player identity, location, etc.) then stay out of other people's business.

The knowledge of this match was well circulated on the west coast, and the players were well aware of this fact. I am also sure that they are well aware of the risks involved when carrying valuable cargo.

As for those of us that know the details firsthand, it is for our pleasure to experience this type of match-up.

Aah, the good old days...

 

[JMB]

action in california, or anywhere else

THE GAME IS OVER, whats wrong with talking about some game that is over? all this namby pamby sweet talk about all your feelings about not wanting to get someone in trouble. CRAP - RICK W. im sorry you might be DEVASTSTATED, (in a pool forum) REALLY -- You talk like that BROAD laura, saying she thinks talk and stories about pool room fights are CUTE. the pool room or bar fights i have seen or been a part of ARE NOT FUNNY or CUTE . this broad disgusts me. the reason i am interested in this forum is to hear whats going on today in the world of pool, particularly the gambling. stories from yesterday are also my reason for interest in this forum. DAMN stories about what happened for 2.00 eight ball or 20.00 sets of nineball belong somewhere else, maybe in the (Minnesota forums) the posts from John Hager and this about b. palmer, this is where its at. (my opinion) JMB

 

[LAMas]

To my knowledge it is legal in California for two players to wager an amount against each other in a(ny) game of sport. It is illlegal though for any person to wager on the match outside of the actual stake. So much for the fed's or local authorities, unless I'm wrong of course. Maybe if one of you are listening you could help us know the law.
(Others states, I know to have different laws than California).

As far as the issue about etiquette, I think it wiser to see it as good or bad business practice. In other words, if it is not your business (match, money, player identity, location, etc.) then stay out of other people's business.

The knowledge of this match was well circulated on the west coast, and the players were well aware of this fact. I am also sure that they are well aware of the risks involved when carrying valuable cargo.

As for those of us that know the details firsthand, it is for our pleasure to experience this type of match-up.

Aah, the good old days...

Check out the Action in Mobile thread. They are touting action not concealing it.

 

[Rickw]

Jmb

I was thinking like you that if the game was over, what harm could be done? It was pointed out to me that two things could happen:
1.) An unknown beats a known player. The name of the unknown and a description of him/her goes out over the net and his/her action dries up. This could result in not making any money therefore not eating, therefore not being able to pay for a room, therefore homeless.
2.) The amount of the win goes over the net and the IRS or State Tax people lock the winner up for not reporting the taxes.

I don't know about you JMB but I don't like the idea of possibly being responsible for either of the two things above happening to someone. This forum can be read by people all over the world by anyone with a pc and internet access. I guess I just happen to have a conscious, sorry if that offends you.

As for the bar fights, I have to agree with you that they are not cute. I've been very lucky in that I only saw one and it was a slap fight. I've called a couple of guys out to the parking lot but neither one of them wanted any of it. I've also had five guys threaten to beat me up in a bar and I didn't wet my pats or run, I stood my ground and waited for the action to begin. I guess they figured I might be able to fight as well or better than I played pool because no one jumped up. I'm not bragging, I'm just letting you know I aint no namby pamby dude. People fight here in California just like they do in Minnesota.

THE GAME IS OVER, whats wrong with talking about some game that is over? all this namby pamby sweet talk about all your feelings about not wanting to get someone in trouble. CRAP - RICK W. im sorry you might be DEVASTSTATED, (in a pool forum) REALLY -- You talk like that BROAD laura, saying she thinks talk and stories about pool room fights are CUTE. the pool room or bar fights i have seen or been a part of ARE NOT FUNNY or CUTE . this broad disgusts me. the reason i am interested in this forum is to hear whats going on today in the world of pool, particularly the gambling. stories from yesterday are also my reason for interest in this forum. DAMN stories about what happened for 2.00 eight ball or 20.00 sets of nineball belong somewhere else, maybe in the (Minnesota forums) the posts from John Hager and this about b. palmer, this is where its at. (my opinion) JMB

 

[Rickw]

Gambling

I'm not so sure about the legality of gambling on pool in California. The Jointed Cue was closed down for 30 days when a cop saw two players gambling. This happened a long time ago so I don't know if the laws have changed some. Many places will have a sign up that says no gambling and I'm assuming they're doing this for their own protection so they can try to say they didn't know it was going on that way I suppose.

To my knowledge it is legal in California for two players to wager an amount against each other in a(ny) game of sport. It is illlegal though for any person to wager on the match outside of the actual stake. So much for the fed's or local authorities, unless I'm wrong of course. Maybe if one of you are listening you could help us know the law.
(Others states, I know to have different laws than California).

As far as the issue about etiquette, I think it wiser to see it as good or bad business practice. In other words, if it is not your business (match, money, player identity, location, etc.) then stay out of other people's business.

The knowledge of this match was well circulated on the west coast, and the players were well aware of this fact. I am also sure that they are well aware of the risks involved when carrying valuable cargo.

As for those of us that know the details firsthand, it is for our pleasure to experience this type of match-up.

Aah, the good old days...

 

[Josh Palmer]

Blah Blah blah blah blah.... sounds like a cackling hen house here!!! Jesus There are more matches on the way like that one.. Billy is probably laughing at this.. He reads this all the time. If there was a big action game fairly near you, wouldn't you like to go put in? Why the hell not.

 

[Cletus]

Blah Blah blah blah blah.... sounds like a cackling hen house here!!! Jesus There are more matches on the way like that one.. Billy is probably laughing at this.. He reads this all the time. If there was a big action game fairly near you, wouldn't you like to go put in? Why the hell not.

You related to Billy?

 

[nfty9er]

Start Rethinking Rick

I was thinking like you that if the game was over, what harm could be done? It was pointed out to me that two things could happen:
1.) An unknown beats a known player. The name of the unknown and a description of him/her goes out over the net and his/her action dries up. This could result in not making any money therefore not eating, therefore not being able to pay for a room, therefore homeless.
2.) The amount of the win goes over the net and the IRS or State Tax people lock the winner up for not reporting the taxes.

I don't know about you JMB but I don't like the idea of possibly being responsible for either of the two things above happening to someone. This forum can be read by people all over the world by anyone with a pc and internet access. I guess I just happen to have a conscious, sorry if that offends you.

As for the bar fights, I have to agree with you that they are not cute. I've been very lucky in that I only saw one and it was a slap fight. I've called a couple of guys out to the parking lot but neither one of them wanted any of it. I've also had five guys threaten to beat me up in a bar and I didn't wet my pats or run, I stood my ground and waited for the action to begin. I guess they figured I might be able to fight as well or better than I played pool because no one jumped up. I'm not bragging, I'm just letting you know I aint no namby pamby dude. People fight here in California just like they do in Minnesota.

Rick you are protecting exactly what the pool world does not need, and that is unknown sleeze bags trying to hustle people out of their money all over the world. Our sport will always have those people but if a guy can play let it be known , let him step up to the plate and play and compete. We dont need the hustlers hiding behind their game. They should step up, match up and play. Thats what gambling is all about. I have no qualms killing action for a hustler in my pool room. I dont need an unknown coming around and stealing. You are standing up for the wrong reasons and you need to grow up and smell the roses. As far as the irs or govt and arresting you, give me a break, first of all if you gamble you better know that you must report all your winnings but did you also know that you can also deduct the equal amount of you losses. See the government cannot prove how much you lost but because of reporting laws they can always know how much you won, so that is why you cand deduct your losses up to that amount so any gambler better know how to file , simple so the government doesnt have time worrying about those piddly amounts when big busineses and corportatons are using loopholes to save billions. That is why there are amnesty programs going on now , so the govt. can collect some of that and they are. If you are so worried about it maybe you can come clean and report that last 5 bucks you won.

See ya I am off to Hawaii. Maybe I will go hustle Alex at Brians.

 

[sarahrousey]

Well, I'm not sure which way to go on this argument. I myself have relayed info about action (sorry) It was from DCC and there are a ton of people seeing it and on the phone calling wherever about it so did it hurt anything? Who knows.

I agree with the IRS side of it. Has it ever happened?

Another thing, a road player showed me a binder he had with him when he came through Chicago. He went on this site and some others and printed out pictures and took some descriptions or players from here. He told me this was how he knew who certain people were. Did it work for him? Probably not. There are a ton of people under the radar that play great. If someone truly doesn't want to get knocked they won't play in a tournament or allow their pictures to be taken.

It can go both ways in my opinion.

Sarah

 

[Rickw]

I see some of your light

nfty9er,

You make some damn good points! I hate to say it but dammit, I tend to agree with your logic. I was getting myself hung up on not ruining someone's action but you're right that these people that sneak around under the radar trying to hustle people out of their rent money aren't the type of people I admire and I've said that several times on this forum. You got me dude!

Rick you are protecting exactly what the pool world does not need, and that is unknown sleeze bags trying to hustle people out of their money all over the world. Our sport will always have those people but if a guy can play let it be known , let him step up to the plate and play and compete. We dont need the hustlers hiding behind their game. They should step up, match up and play. Thats what gambling is all about. I have no qualms killing action for a hustler in my pool room. I dont need an unknown coming around and stealing. You are standing up for the wrong reasons and you need to grow up and smell the roses. As far as the irs or govt and arresting you, give me a break, first of all if you gamble you better know that you must report all your winnings but did you also know that you can also deduct the equal amount of you losses. See the government cannot prove how much you lost but because of reporting laws they can always know how much you won, so that is why you cand deduct your losses up to that amount so any gambler better know how to file , simple so the government doesnt have time worrying about those piddly amounts when big busineses and corportatons are using loopholes to save billions. That is why there are amnesty programs going on now , so the govt. can collect some of that and they are. If you are so worried about it maybe you can come clean and report that last 5 bucks you won.

See ya I am off to Hawaii. Maybe I will go hustle Alex at Brians.