Action knocking....

[Jude Rosenstock]

You're right, you can't always count on someone to save you and sometimes your friends will have to learn the hard way, but if you are able to save them from time to time and know they would appreciate it . . . isn't that what friends are for?

Okay, your idiot drunk friend walks into the poolroom one night, grabs the mic from the manager and says in stadium-voice, "I'll give anyone in the room right now the 7 ball!"

Mike Sigel gets up from the chair by the tv, removes his shades & hat and says, "FOR $100 A GAME AND POST IT IN THE LIGHT!"

Your idiot friend says, "SO CHEAP? YOU WANT ME TO DRIVE YOU TO THE ATM, OLD MAN? $300 A GAME IS WHERE I START!"


You love the guy but he's about to lose his rent money. What do you do?

 

[Aaron_S]

Okay, your idiot drunk friend walks into the poolroom one night, grabs the mic from the manager and says in stadium-voice, "I'll give anyone in the room right now the 7 ball!"

Mike Sigel gets up from the chair by the tv, removes his shades & hat and says, "FOR $100 A GAME AND POST IT IN THE LIGHT!"

Your idiot friend says, "SO CHEAP? YOU WANT ME TO DRIVE YOU TO THE ATM, OLD MAN? $300 A GAME IS WHERE I START!"


You love the guy but he's about to lose his rent money. What do you do?

LOL. Find a smarter friend.

 

[trustyrusty]

Okay, your idiot drunk friend walks into the poolroom one night, grabs the mic from the manager and says in stadium-voice, "I'll give anyone in the room right now the 7 ball!"

Mike Sigel gets up from the chair by the tv, removes his shades & hat and says, "FOR $100 A GAME AND POST IT IN THE LIGHT!"

Your idiot friend says, "SO CHEAP? YOU WANT ME TO DRIVE YOU TO THE ATM, OLD MAN? $300 A GAME IS WHERE I START!"


You love the guy but he's about to lose his rent money. What do you do?

Throw him the classifieds cuz he's gonna need a cheaper place....LOL

 

[pletho]

IMHO...... EVERYONE who knows ANYTHING about gambling in pool or poker or ANYTHING for that matter, should know , that KNOCKING action or sticking your nose where it doesnt belong is not wise neither is it supposed to be done....

Only the new up and coming players and guys who cant mind their own business seem to do it....

No one has taught them its not right to do.....

When I first started gambling in pool, not saying this is right or wrong, but not even my friends or pool buddies would tell me I am in a bad game, (Unless it was for large amounts of money) and many times I have to be honest I wouldnt have listened anyway, I had to learn on my own, what a goof I was, I learned, but the great thing about it was that I was always matching up and in action, many times over my head and many times I believe I won when I should not have won because I had no idea I was supposed to lose...go figure,

Knocking action is definately bad for the game, unless you are a APA or BCA league player or something along those lines , meaning I think alot of the knocking of action comes from goofs who have no clue about pool period, referring to the fast majority of leaguers out there, not all of them, the bar box bangers, weekend warriors, playing for the glory of winning one or a couple games a week....I just read a thread awhile back asking how many pros came out of the leagues, and not suprisingly to me, very few have.... there are many league players that are very, very good but if they happened to play for cash which many do not, they fall to pieces.... most pros got to be pro and at that level from playing for cash and not for funzzies....

Knocking games makes for less action...I have a few very good friends who may read this, and I will let them know right know, some of them have gotten in over their heads in games they shouldnt win but have won, but if I told them they are a donkey to play so and so for money and that in the long run they were not favored they would probably never get a whole lot better, confidence is believing in yourself and your abilities, if you are always told you cant win and you believe it, you will most likely always lose....

One of the reasons I believe that pool is on the downhill is that NOWDAYS in poolhalls , at least around here, someone will always stupidly or purposely knock your action.....Thats why POKER is such a great game to turn to, you have the biggest fish in the world, and ALOT of them playing and putting their money up against sharks who truly know the game, so much easier to win 100 dollars in poker in less than hour than it is in pool...

So if you want to keep on killing the game of pool, the side of pool that brings out the best of the best, the playing for cash side, well I guess thats your right to do........eventually maybe all the pool players I have lost my money to will come and play poker so I can get my money back....

 

[pletho]

In Addition to Previous post

I posted that even my friends wouldnt tell me if was in bad action in my last post, and that was normally true, of course if it was going to cost me alot of money I am sure they would have hinted, I probably would have ignored though, I have buddies here that play people who are above them by at least a ball, and never knock the other guys action, WHY because it is not for their life savings and my buddies think they can win and many times they out run it, they often do and it amazes me... They build confidence this way by not knowing they should lose, they wouldnt listen any way most of the time....

Would I protect them from getting robbed, sure but 20 dollar sets and 10 dollar games is not that big a deal, people have got to learn to match up, and many times they never learn until they learn the hard way, I care about all my friends and their well being but they are big boys and know what they are doing and risking, they are not as stupid as i once was

 

[quitecoolguy]

I would say having some one not tell me that im falling in a trap has helped me. I ran my mouth to a guy who is a better player than myself. I told him to give me some god awuful spot...something like the 3 5 7 9 and two on the wire race to 9 for fifty. He instantly said okay but i get ball in hand after your break. I jumped all over it...well fifty bucks later..i realized that i had walked into a trap. My friend came over to me pretended he had those electric pads they use to shock heart attack victims and yelled CLEAR and hit me in the chest. he laughed and said you got stalled buddy, lesson learned. And you know what i did . Now im the guy that people are whispering to their buddies ..dont play him unless you ask for weight.. haha but i say this..after the first three games you dont know if you should be in the set..you shouldnt be in a pool room with money or a cue.

JMO

 

[trustyrusty]

Okay, your idiot drunk friend walks into the poolroom one night, grabs the mic from the manager and says in stadium-voice, "I'll give anyone in the room right now the 7 ball!"

Mike Sigel gets up from the chair by the tv, removes his shades & hat and says, "FOR $100 A GAME AND POST IT IN THE LIGHT!"

Your idiot friend says, "SO CHEAP? YOU WANT ME TO DRIVE YOU TO THE ATM, OLD MAN? $300 A GAME IS WHERE I START!"


You love the guy but he's about to lose his rent money. What do you do?

in this case, I have no pity for drunken fools. He'll learn not to do that again, if not by the loss of moolah, but the scolding from his woman for the loss of moolah. Besides, have you ever tried to talk drunken idiots outta anything. I will pysically take the car keys from his hand, but not his pool cue. Money lost in a pool match is (I never say never) hardly ever life threatening....

 

[boradriver]

I saw that a thread was started on this subject last night, things got heated, and the thread was closed. So let's try to keep this one civil.

Would you let a friend of yours get into a bad game in order to not "knock" the other guy's action? I had this debate with Josh Hillard. He said that knocking someone's action is something that you "just don't do", and that I would understand that if I was in the "circle" of people that know about gambling. So what do you think? Let your buddy get hustled, or knock the other guy's action?

I would always help a friend in need. If a buddy of mine is getting into a bad game or playing someone who is known by me to fire air barrels then I will most certainly get his attention and let him know my concerns in private. If he decides to go forward anyway than that is his call. If I don't call either one of them a friend then I let it go down and try and get some money on it.

 

[Neil]

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[Poolfiend]

Okay, your idiot drunk friend walks into the poolroom one night, grabs the mic from the manager and says in stadium-voice, "I'll give anyone in the room right now the 7 ball!"

Mike Sigel gets up from the chair by the tv, removes his shades & hat and says, "FOR $100 A GAME AND POST IT IN THE LIGHT!"

Your idiot friend says, "SO CHEAP? YOU WANT ME TO DRIVE YOU TO THE ATM, OLD MAN? $300 A GAME IS WHERE I START!"


You love the guy but he's about to lose his rent money. What do you do?

LOL - My instincts to protect my friend would still probably take over and I'd say something. He's going to look like dumbass after I tell him and he has to tuck his tail between his legs and run. I think that humiliation is enough punishment and then he won't be asking to sleep in my guestroom.

 

[catpool9]

It's plain and simple!

If you "knock action, their will be no action!"


David Harcrow

 

[Snap9]

Jude, you asked about how to approach scenario 2. I've done all of 4 different ways ofcourse depending on my like or dislike of the road player. I've flat out said it during the middle of their set to the road player. Said to my friend during the set. And said it to either between sets.

I don't mind gambling, but truly despise hustling. Hustling has no place in the game of billiards or pool.

I'll go back a few yrs and give you an example. Their was a coke snorting top tier pool player playing in the hall where I resided at the time. He was a known commodity except for the fish he hooked for a large bag of sand. I knew the fish but did not consider the fish a friend. However the hustler was not even close to a respectable person. The hustler had the game set with the fish giving him a ball. I beat the fish regularly spotting him the 7. I find out the fish is giving the hustler the 8, and the hustler can spot me the 8. I bit my tongue for awhile until the hustler purposedly made a table arangement while down getting ready to shoot. Actually moving a ball under their chest with the bridge hand making it look like a shirt adjustment. I had all I could take and told the fish who the player was and what had just transpired during that rack. After letting the fish know who the hustler was the fish quit stalling and finished the set in record time. The fish than asked for an appropiate adjustment. The hustler refused, laughed and left the building.

Was I wrong for doing it? Absolutely not. Would I do it again? Yes to that player or another if a hustling cheat was on the table playing a regular.

Hustling is why our sport will never be considered anything but a black eye of sports.


Let me pose a question to everyone. How often do you see the european or philipino's hustling? They gamble, but rarely have I seen them hustling. I've played some of them, and most have always offered a favorable spot. Now which countries and nations have the best organized billiards/pool? Where is pool actually considered a sport by their countrymen/women?

Just some food for thought.

 

[Nine Ball]

I saw that a thread was started on this subject last night, things got heated, and the thread was closed. So let's try to keep this one civil.

Would you let a friend of yours get into a bad game in order to not "knock" the other guy's action? I had this debate with Josh Hillard. He said that knocking someone's action is something that you "just don't do", and that I would understand that if I was in the "circle" of people that know about gambling. So what do you think? Let your buddy get hustled, or knock the other guy's action?

I said you do not knock peoples action and if you were part of that "circle" meaning people who gamble all the time, some what do it as a job, Then you will have learned knocking is something you just do not do. Try asking some of the old school players that may have done it as a job so to speak what hey think of it. For someone who does it as a job you could be taking food out of their mouth in a way. If someone happens to be a friend of yours, You tell your buddy in
"PRIVATE" you do not air out your opinion for everyone else to hear. Killing someones action is no different than going to someones work place and causing problems. If you can understand that. But I doubt you will ever get it. What was the reason for you to post my name? Doesn't matter to me as I know the people that know anything about the pool world will agree with what I have said.

 

[boradriver]

As I said once before you are a goof.. I said you do not knock peoples action and if you were part of that "circle" meaning people who gamble all the time, some what do it as a job, Then you will have learned knocking is something you just do not do. Try asking some of the old school players that may have done it as a job so to speak what hey think of it. For someone who does it as a job you could be taking food out of their mouth in a way. If someone happens to be a friend of yours, You tell your buddy in
"PRIVATE" you do not air out your opinion for everyone else to hear. Killing someones action is no different than going to someones work place and causing problems. If you can understand that. But I doubt you will ever get it.

Nine Ball were in Florida do you live? you can PM me if you want.

 

[Nine Ball]

"Knocking" is a subjective term. It is an unwritten code among pool players,
(at least those in the know)that you keep your mouth shut. However most knocking is done by "railbirds" who have zero integrity. If I had to hazard a guess I would say railbirds have cost pool players at least a trillion dollars.

Ding, Ding, Ding.......

 

[Nine Ball]

Now take a long look at it easy and try to learn.. I told easy to throw up this thread and see what others had to say about knocking action...

 

[on_snap]

if you are a good friend you should let him know what you think. Your alliegence should be to your friend. But on the other hand i do hate it when somebody tells a complete stranger not to play me.. Usually this happens becuase they want the action themselves..

 

[wayne]

Jean-Robert (Bobby) Bellande who is now a card player and recently was on Survivor China was known as "Action Bob" as a pool player before he got into cards. He would win or lose thousands playing pool sometimes on a daily basis. He used to screw his cue together as he walked into any pool hall because he would be in action immediately.

One day in Hollywood Billiards he is playing for a couple a hundred a game and taking the worst end of it getting 9-7 in one-pocket. What he didn't know was he was playing Scott Frost. Scott could probably give him 11-5 and still be the favorite.

Bobby is a good friend of mine but I never said a word. After Scott had cleaned him out of whatever cash Bobby had on him, Bobby came over to me and asked me if I could spot him a thousand. He said this guy's luck can't hold up, he just fires at everything and doesn't know any one-pocket moves. I told him that he probably knows a few moves because he is one of the top 5 players in the world he just hasn't found the need to use them on you, so for your own good I am not going to lend you any money.

 

[Nine Ball]

This has happened to me so many times in the past it's just goofy. A new guy comes to town, Maybe just for a week while working and likes to gamble. Goes to the pool room asking for cheap action and you have those idiots that will say, Don't play so and so because he will beat you. People that have been in the same pool room for years, Try to talk to you when your there, yet quick to tell someone they don't know that they shouldn't play you. Or the other one of well don't play him you would have a better chance with me. lol.. Thank god for the blank railbirds.. Where would we be without them? lol..

 

[boradriver]

Now take a long look at it easy and try to learn.. I told easy to throw up this thread and see what others had to say about knocking... All you other people who attempt to knock action are just a bunch of blanks.. I feel you play so bad and are really such a nobody in the pool world that it's the only way you can actually feel involved. lol.. That's not directed towards anyone but action knockers..

I think there is a big difference in knocking action and protecting a good friend.

Example a local A player at the room I go to plays all the ball bangers one handed for $20 to $50 a rack and wins most of the time. Well one night one of the bangers goats him into playing someone he doesn't know $200 a rack and he has to play onehanded. So I stick around to watch and in walks his game and it happens to be someone I have know for awhile and he can play a little(b-or c+). So the unknown player starts banging some balls around and he is shooting left handed which I knew right away was wrong since I have played him many times and he is right handed. So after seeing the act this guys was putting on the A player takes the bait. I like the A player but he is not someone I would consider a friend so i sit back and watch as the A player drops $600 before he backs out and then tries to adjust which they would not agree too. So he is someone that should have known better and is not a good friend so I said nothing. Second example is last year a road player I know from New England is in the AZ room at DCC trying to get in some action acting like he is nothing more that an APA 5(with a APA card none the less and APA patches on his plastic case). I privately let him know that I was not going to sit and watch him rob the guy he was trying to get into a game because he is a friend.
A friend getting robbed and just someone getting into a bad game in my book are totally different.