Action one pocket match controversary

[gregcantrall]

I don't see the point in having to jump up and say its froze every time ........snip

I just call it frozen from my chair. Let them be the one to go look again. Balls frozen to the rail can become unfrozen for any number of reasons. A inadvertent bump from a pedestrian can jar the table enough to unfreeze a ball. Every shot the ball does need to be declared frozen.

 

[Texdance]

Absolutely correct. You must call the ball "frozen" on every shot. In no case does it remain "frozen" until moved. The ball is treated as "not frozen" until called "frozen".

ONB

Agree on the above. The rules say when it should be called frozen, but do not indicate a persistence of such state past one shot, therefore, to be frozen, clearly it must be called frozen once prior to the shot about to be taken, not carry over from a prior shot or inning.

It's a legal opportunity to interrupt the shooter, study balls near the rails, then call out frozen or not, time after time, allegedly in the service of just getting it right.

If Earl did that, stand up and walk to the table and interrupt his opponent to check frozen balls prior to every stroke, we would all be up in arms, and call him crazy.

Wait, we do that anyway.

 

[Old Nine Baller]

Agree on the above. The rules say when it should be called frozen, but do not indicate a persistence of such state past one shot, therefore, to be frozen, clearly it must be called frozen once prior to the shot about to be taken, not carry over from a prior shot or inning.

It's a legal opportunity to interrupt the shooter, study balls near the rails, then call out frozen or not, time after time, allegedly in the service of just getting it right.

If Earl did that, stand up and walk to the table and interrupt his opponent to check frozen balls prior to every stroke, we would all be up in arms, and call him crazy.

Wait, we do that anyway.

If Earl did that I would call him an intelligent player. I have been around some of the best players ever and they all knew how to play. Calling a ball froze in every inning is not uncommon.

P.S. The opportunity to "interrupt" the shooter is an added benefit.

ONB

 

[Jaden]

no...

If Earl did that I would call him an intelligent player. I have been around some of the best players ever and they all knew how to play. Calling a ball froze in every inning is not uncommon.

P.S. The opportunity to "interrupt" the shooter is an added benefit.

ONB

no that's added douchery and scumbaggery. I am a gentleman and will play as such until my opponent gives me a reason not to, then I won't be playing any more and if he thinks he'll get my money that way, he better be willing to go to prison.

Jaden

 

[Old Nine Baller]

no that's added douchery and scumbaggery. I am a gentleman and will play as such until my opponent gives me a reason not to, then I won't be playing any more and if he thinks he'll get my money that way, he better be willing to go to prison.

Jaden

Have a nice night "cardplaying gambler".

ONB

 

[Cracktherack]

I'd pop the cheater a good one and ask him if he can get up, or is he frozen to the floor.
Choose carefully who you pull your crap on.
Next you'll want me to believe that atmospheric phenomenon unfroze the ball for you.

 

[boogeyman]

Got to call it froze again. That's why you'll see guys take a look and say, "Still froze." Pretty much an accepted part of the game.

Lou Figueroa

totally agree with lfigueroa. GOT TO CALL IT FROZEN.

Although a pool table is a huge piece of furniture, it can and does "move" when nudged; and guess what? The balls can move from their position, albeit ever so slightly.

This is a no-brainer. GOT TO CALL A FROZEN BALL.
Unfortunately, some people don't use their brains.

 

[Old Nine Baller]

totally agree with lfigueroa. GOT TO CALL IT FROZEN.
This is a no-brainer. GOT TO CALL A FROZEN BALL.
Unfortunately, some people don't use their brains.

I'd pop the cheater a good one and ask him if he can get up, or is he frozen to the floor.
Choose carefully who you pull your crap on.
Next you'll want me to believe that atmospheric phenomenon unfroze the ball for you.

Yep, using your brain does indeed come into play.

ONB

 

[peppersauce]

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[macguy]

Every time there is a questionable situation, any player should make every effort to ensure that the question is addressed prior to shooting, it's called integrity.

If a call has been made that the ball is frozen, you don't just shoot at it with the thought that you can just say, you didn't re-call it frozen.

That's cause for being named CFO of Douche bags are us.

Jaden

You have to call the ball frozen and have it checked. If you don't it is considered to not be frozen. Sort of like a warning on a third scratch.

The most common thing is for a ball to not be frozen and a few shots later if you check again it is now frozen. It may from just the vibration of the table settle against the rail.

Before the shot if one wants to get the benefit of the frozen ball rule you have to declare it before the guy shoots. The table is always changing, who is to say it didn't move in the last few minutes with balls bouncing around the table.

 

[Old Nine Baller]

Yep, using your brain does indeed come into play.

ONB

Just to clarify, you're saying that if you know a ball is frozen and I don't call it frozen you would purposefully foul if it benefits you. Yes?

The only way for me to determine that a ball is froze is if you call it froze and then I look at it and confirm. It's not that difficult. I've done it both ways thousands of times.

ONB

 

[Old Nine Baller]

You have to call the ball frozen and have it checked. If you don't it is considered to not be frozen.

This is the rule and it doesn't matter about anything else.

ONB

 

[trustyrusty]

read this thread earlier today, and am having a tough time believing this is still going on...

Just because a ball is deemed frozen, does not mean it still is if a play was not made on said ball even if in the same inning (undisturbed or not). It must be checked before a play is made on it. Not a big deal, and certainly not something to throw down over.

btw, most of the time when not the shooter, the other player will just say "still frozen" from his chair (as mentioned in an earlier post), and the shooter will just agree or can re-check. Seen it happen lots o times.

 

[peppersauce]

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[Old Nine Baller]

Just to clarify, you're saying that if you know a ball is frozen and I don't call it frozen you would purposefully foul if it benefits you. Yes?

The only way for me to determine that a ball is froze is if you call it froze and then I look at it and confirm. It's not that difficult. I've done it both ways thousands of times.

ONB

So your answer is yes. Why is it so difficult for you to say?

peppersauce,

You asked me if I would purposely foul if it benefits me. I answered your question honestly. If you don't call the ball froze and I don't confirm then there is no "fouling purposely". There would be no foul unless you called the ball froze, I agreed that it was and then I didn't drive it to another rail or the cueball to a rail after contact.

It's not difficult for me to say, it's difficult for you to word your question properly.

ONB

 

[peppersauce]

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[macguy]

Just to clarify, you're saying that if you know a ball is frozen and I don't call it frozen you would purposefully foul if it benefits you. Yes?

Nobody knows the ball is frozen until it is looked at. I used to know a guy named Doc Hazard. He used to carry a huge magnifying glass to call balls frozen to each other or rails. It was funny when he took it out at tournaments.

 

[macguy]

This is the rule and it doesn't matter about anything else.

ONB

Most of the time a guy calls a ball frozen when you check it, it's not. He may call it from 10 feet away just as a general rule.

 

[Old Nine Baller]

peppersauce,

You asked me if I would purposely foul if it benefits me. I answered your question honestly. If you don't call the ball froze and I don't confirm then there is no "fouling purposely". There would be no foul unless you called the ball froze, I agreed that it was and then I didn't drive it to another rail or the cueball to a rail after contact.

It's not difficult for me to say, it's difficult for you to word your question properly.

ONB

Your answer is yes.

My answer is this. Why ask me a question and then not accept an honest answer?

My answer is not "yes". My answer is what I posted. You simply don't know how to gamble or play.

ONB

 

[iusedtoberich]

I've always gambled that a ball must be declared frozen every inning. My opponents have always done the same as well.