Action one pocket match controversary

[Jaden]

That's not crazy thinking but it doesn't matter.

I agree, and I've seen that myself. I've scratched my head when I see players do that, thinking to myself, "what, like it was going to move on its own?".

But then I was thinking that this might be a throwback to the days when pool halls were "upstairs" (i.e. not on the ground floor in buildings), and the floors were often wooden floors that would creak and give when walked around. Obviously, a wooden floor creaking and giving could be "felt" on the table, and a ball could theoretically "rock" 1mm away from the rail it was previously frozen to, by merely the weight of a person near one side of the table.

Or is that crazy thinking?
-Sean

If it was already acknowledged as being frozen, it is frozen anyone pulling out the you have to call it every time as frozen without it moving is doing exactly that, pulling a move.

If it has been called frozen and it HAS moved (of it's own recognizance) then you need to call it not frozen and give the opponent or ref a chance to inspect and verify that, otherwise, you are just a sheister pulling a move.

Jaden

 

[Old Nine Baller]

If it was already acknowledged as being frozen, it is frozen anyone pulling out the you have to call it every time as frozen without it moving is doing exactly that, pulling a move.

If it has been called frozen and it HAS moved (of it's own recognizance) then you need to call it not frozen and give the opponent or ref a chance to inspect and verify that, otherwise, you are just a sheister pulling a move.

Jaden

You don't know anything about gambling at onepocket. Try learning before you make these ridiculous replies.

It's no move. It's common sense.

ONB

 

[Jaden]

Every time there is a questionable situation...

I agree. In fact the ball has to be called froze every time someone even looks at it. The shooter is not required to have to remember it was called froze four shots earlier.

It also would not be unusual for the ball to be looked at a second time and it is no longer frozen. I actually had this come up in a tournament I was refereeing.

I had called the ball frozen and several shots it was called again and when I checked it it was no longer frozen. The audience made some noise and I just looked at them a said the ball had since moved. I guess a ball rebounding off the rail had caused it to move or something.

Every time there is a questionable situation, any player should make every effort to ensure that the question is addressed prior to shooting, it's called integrity.

If a call has been made that the ball is frozen, you don't just shoot at it with the thought that you can just say, you didn't re-call it frozen.

That's cause for being named CFO of Douche bags are us.

Jaden

 

[Jaden]

I don't know anything about gambling at one pocket...lol

You don't know anything about gambling at onepocket. Try learning before you make these ridiculous replies.

It's no move. It's common sense.

ONB

that's the funniest thing I've ever read on these forums. Ok, let's say I don't know anything about gambling at one pocket. There's something I, obviously, know a lot more about than you. It's called integrity.

You can have your gambling, I'll stick to having integrity, and I would suggest to anyone to not ever try that bullshit with me.

Jaden

 

[actionplayer]

well I was the one playing and even though it didn't end up becoming indictive because I won that match it caused quite a tir.

I a ok with saying that in a tournament with referee etc then it shall be called frozen but once its called frozen and he then directly rolls into it it was a definite move and he admitted it

however when im in action I don't see the point in having to jump up and say its froze every time when neither player is even looking at the ball then the one time I don't I can turn around and roll into it
think I agree with the guys that letter of law would be every turn has to be declared frozen, for gentleman pruposes it wouldn't ,its amazing how it changes when money is involved though

 

[seven_7days]

You described this shot as a "double kiss." I would think that if the cue ball hit the object ball twice, the object ball must have come off the rail and then went back to it. Putting that aside...

That's actually a myth that's been debunked in slo mo video somewhere.
Virtually next to impossible for the object ball to hit the same rail twice.

 

[peppersauce]

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[Old Nine Baller]

You don't know anything about gambling at onepocket. Try learning before you make these ridiculous replies.

It's no move. It's common sense.

ONB

that's the funniest thing I've ever read on these forums. Ok, let's say I don't know anything about gambling at one pocket. There's something I, obviously, know a lot more about than you. It's called integrity.

You can have your gambling, I'll stick to having integrity, and I would suggest to anyone to not ever try that bullshit with me.

Jaden

Glad I could bring a smile to your day.

You still don't know anything about gambling at onepocket.

If you and I were gambling and you had called a ball frozen three shots previous and I shot it later, without you calling it froze again then it's not froze. Get a clue before you spout off about things you know nothing about.

ONB

 

[Old Nine Baller]

I'm going with integrity here. If I'm the shooter, the other guy doesn't need to call it frozen because I'm going to look at it myself. If it's froze, I'm going to figure something else out. I'm not going to foul on purpose just because the other guy didn't call the ball froze, but that's just me.

All this means is that you don't gamble.

Onb

 

[Jaden]

If you did that...

Glad I could bring a smile to your day.

You still don't know anything about gambling at onepocket.

If you and I were gambling and you had called a ball frozen three shots previous and I shot it later, without you calling it froze again then it's not froze. Get a clue before you spout off about things you know nothing about.

ONB

If you and I were playing and we determined a ball was frozen and three shots later, you rolled up on it and tried to insist it wasn't a foul, you would wake up on the floor and I'd be gone...of course, if you met me and wanted to play, you would more than likely not try to pull that bullshit on me, most people have an innate instinct when it comes to that.

Jaden

 

[peppersauce]

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[sfleinen]

It's got nothing to do with any of that Sean. Every turn at the table is a completely new situation. That's why it must be called & acknowledged on every shot.

ONB

I agree. In fact the ball has to be called froze every time someone even looks at it. The shooter is not required to have to remember it was called froze four shots earlier.

It also would not be unusual for the ball to be looked at a second time and it is no longer frozen. I actually had this come up in a tournament I was refereeing.

I had called the ball frozen and several shots it was called again and when I checked it it was no longer frozen. The audience made some noise and I just looked at them a said the ball had since moved. I guess a ball rebounding off the rail had caused it to move or something.

And you know something? I agree. It could be environmental situations (i.e. possibly that "throwback to poolhalls with wooden floors" thing I mentioned earlier), or else a ball rebounding [hard] off that same cushion that macguy mentions above.

I'm kinda on the fence about this one. I mean, I understand the "it's always been played that way" thing (I've seen people do it, and scratched my head each time), but I also understand those saying it's a chickensh*t move, as well.

If it were me, and I were playing an old-timer (I often do, in the game of one pocket), and he were doing this, I'd adapt and conform.

If it were a fairly young player and he were doing this, I might err on the side of chickensh*tness on his part, and not want to play him again. (I use the word "might" to mean I'd watch this guy's every move, and if his body language and behaviors tend to also be chickensh*t, that tells me the "calling the ball frozen on every shot" is part of this behavior, and not an actual "learned rule.")

-Sean

 

[Old Nine Baller]

If you and I were playing and we determined a ball was frozen and three shots later, you rolled up on it and tried to insist it wasn't a foul, you would wake up on the floor and I'd be gone...of course, if you met me and wanted to play, you would more than likely not try to pull that bullshit on me, most people have an innate instinct when it comes to that.

Jaden

It wouldn't be a foul and there's nothing you could do about it. The money would be up and you would lose if you quit the game and left the room.

Learn to play.

ONB

 

[Old Nine Baller]

And you know something? I agree. It could be environmental situations (i.e. possibly that "throwback to poolhalls with wooden floors" thing I mentioned earlier), or else a ball rebounding [hard] off that same cushion that macguy mentions above.

I'm kinda on the fence about this one. I mean, I understand the "it's always been played that way" thing (I've seen people do it, and scratched my head each time), but I also understand those saying it's a chickensh*t move, as well.

If it were me, and I were playing an old-timer (I often do, in the game of one pocket), and he were doing this, I'd adapt and conform.

If it were a fairly young player and he were doing this, I might err on the side of chickensh*tness on his part, and not want to play him again. (I use the word "might" to mean I'd watch this guy's every move, and if his body language and behaviors tend to also be chickensh*t, that tells me the "calling the ball frozen on every shot" is part of this behavior, and not an actual "learned rule.")

-Sean

I've been playing this way for 40 or more years, it's not something "new".

ONB

 

[Jaden]

This shows how in lala land you are...

It wouldn't be a foul and there's nothing you could do about it. The money would be up and you would lose if you quit the game and left the room.

Learn to play.

ONB

I would knock you out and take MY money off the lamp leaving yours. You see, I, sir, am a gentlemen. I'm just a gentleman that knocks people out when they wrong me. You cheat me, you lose, period. You can ask people from the days when I DID regularly gamble.

 

[sfleinen]

I've been playing this way for 40 or more years, it's not something "new".

ONB

Your screenname is "Old Nine Baller," correct? I consider you an old-timer (I mean this in a complimentary fashion, not a dig), and would give you the courtesy of such. Like I said, if I were playing you, I'd adapt and conform.

I'm not exactly a sprout (I'm nearing 50), and I think, these days with the higher quality equipment, that it's pedantic to call the ball frozen on every shot.

Usually, though, I avoid this by only looking at the "frozen ball" situation when I see the guy shooting at it. When I see the guy about to get down to commit shooting at it, I'll ask if the ball is frozen. Usually that'll cause a reset and we both look. If we agree the ball's frozen, and then he decides to shoot something else, as soon as he decides to come around again and shoot that frozen ball, I'll confirm with him -- "we agreed that ball is frozen, correct?" It avoids a lot of "loophole" pedantic behavior.

-Sean

 

[Old Nine Baller]

I would knock you out and take MY money off the lamp leaving yours. You see, I, sir, am a gentlemen. I'm just a gentleman that knocks people out when they wrong me. You cheat me, you lose, period. You can ask people from the days when I DID regularly gamble.

You don't know anything about gambling at all. Get a f@@king life already.

ONB

 

[pt109]

I would knock you out and take MY money off the lamp leaving yours. You see, I, sir, am a gentlemen. I'm just a gentleman that knocks people out when they wrong me. You cheat me, you lose, period. You can ask people from the days when I DID regularly gamble.

Jaden, ONB is not wrong, even though I look at the situation like you do.
He has the letter of the law on his side and I would accept that.

And I don't think that the fact you have hands like pie plates should be
a factor.

I will take the worst of it, from my point of view.

 

[BRussell]

You don't know anything about gambling at all. Get a f@@king life already.

ONB

Was that irony intended?

 

[sfleinen]

Was that irony intended?

"Irony" -- isn't that the taste in one's mouth when Jaden smashes him in the mouth with his bling-laden hand?


-Sean