Add rings to one piece butt?

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Catalin

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Dear cuemakers,

I have a one piece butt (no joints) with a linen wrap, that o want to change to a leather wrap. I want to add simple rings at either end of the wrap at the same time, I really dislike the look of a wrap without the rings. How would you go about adding rings without cutting the butt?

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PS, if you were really determined & wanted metal or non-joint rings, at the time of the wrap you could cut it and put joints at both ends or re-build over a dowel. Somewhat tricky/iffy to get the same roll with the butt without re-truing the whole assembly and re-finishing, but it would be darn close. Is the wood and the cue worth about what it might cost for a new merry widow custom?
 
Ssonerai said:
PS, if you were really determined & wanted metal or non-joint rings, at the time of the wrap you could cut it and put joints at both ends or re-build over a dowel. Somewhat tricky/iffy to get the same roll with the butt without re-truing the whole assembly and re-finishing, but it would be darn close. Is the wood and the cue worth about what it might cost for a new merry widow custom?
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Simple juma rings would do. Definitely don't want to cut it, looking for the easiest solution. One question, if you had a juma ring of the correct dianeter and made a cut in it, would that make it flexible enough to slide it over the forearm and lock it into place?

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Catalin said:
Simple juma rings would do. Definitely don't want to cut it, looking for the easiest solution. One question, if you had a juma ring of the correct dianeter and made a cut in it, would that make it flexible enough to slide it over the forearm and lock it into place?

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If the ring is cut fairly shallowly into the cue, it should flex enough to do that. Juma is pretty flexible.
I've added 2 piece rings to already constructed cues, but I cut the pieces with CNC.
 
Sheldon said:
If the ring is cut fairly shallowly into the cue, it should flex enough to do that. Juma is pretty flexible.
I've added 2 piece rings to already constructed cues, but I cut the pieces with CNC.
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Thanks, do you have pictures by any chance?

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Simple juma rings would do. Definitely don't want to cut it, looking for the easiest solution. One question, if you had a juma ring of the correct dianeter and made a cut in it, would that make it flexible enough to slide it over the forearm and lock it into place?
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Sorry, have not worked with Juma. Depending on grain direction, many materials including "natural" will soften enough to become quite flexible and able to be relatively easily manipulated when boiled. Some of those will require a form/mold to push back into the shape you want before they dry and chill more like a lazy potato chip.

Another option might be a castable substance, but again, no deep experience or knowledge of what would be suitable for cues.
I'm a pretty simple Micarta/phenolic including colors, Delrin, maybe Ultem guy. I do wood inlays for other stuff and can imagine building wooden rings in place but have not done it on a cue. Fit close, the darker the wood the less obvious the glue line, ebony can be very difficult even if you know it is there. White would be harder, but you could divide it into 3, 4, 5, 6 or 8 sections, and put a contrast bead/round dot at the intersections. Or if you are really good, a diamond shape. :)
 
Ssonerai said:
Sorry, have not worked with Juma. Depending on grain direction, many materials including "natural" will soften enough to become quite flexible and able to be relatively easily manipulated when boiled. Some of those will require a form/mold to push back into the shape you want before they dry and chill more like a lazy potato chip.

Another option might be a castable substance, but again, no deep experience or knowledge of what would be suitable for cues.
I'm a pretty simple Micarta/phenolic including colors, Delrin, maybe Ultem guy. I do wood inlays for other stuff and can imagine building wooden rings in place but have not done it on a cue. Fit close, the darker the wood the less obvious the glue line, ebony can be very difficult even if you know it is there. White would be harder, but you could divide it into 3, 4, 5, 6 or 8 sections, and put a contrast bead/round dot at the intersections. Or if you are really good, a diamond shape. :)
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You may have an idea there. Maybe a pie shaped ring, it would look like a regular, train track ring, with the glue lines in the sectors

A good idea for a cuemaker, however for somone adding rings, alot of work for the repair man or the cuemaker that takes the challenge]
 
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What about colouring some epoxy and tape off the area and add it. Would be fairly easy.
 
Anything is possible these days. This wrap ring was done after the handle and butt sleeve was glued up.
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I've never tried this but some of those thermoplastics get malleable after soaking in hot water. You may want to try grooving a scrap piece of something, turning the ID of the ring then breaking it somehow, then hot water and see if you can open it enough to fit the OD of the groove. Making a single cut by removing material, the kerf, would require some calculations plus the resulting ID would be elliptical when joining it back together. Many years ago we did this on one cue at Black Boar but we inlayed the pieces and made the seams part of the design.
 
Cut the slots first then the rings to fit. If you use wood you can snap the rings in half right along the grain and they will slide in connect back up and be as good as if you had never snapped them in two. Do it shallow maybe .08" grooves
 
Ssonerai said:
PS, if you were really determined & wanted metal or non-joint rings, at the time of the wrap you could cut it and put joints at both ends or re-build over a dowel. Somewhat tricky/iffy to get the same roll with the butt without re-truing the whole assembly and re-finishing, but it would be darn close. Is the wood and the cue worth about what it might cost for a new merry widow custom?
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I like the Tricky-Iffy part
 
The best way to add ring work to me is small fancy shape inlays put around instead of two half solid rings. It will look better and not cause any possible buzzes or problems later
 
cueman said:
The best way to add ring work to me is small fancy shape inlays put around instead of two half solid rings. It will look better and not cause any possible buzzes or problems later
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I think that's a really neat idea. Do you have any inspirational pictures?
 
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