maxeypad2007 said:
sounds great where can we get some?
Adderrall - How it helped my game
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sounds great where can we get some?
I guess it wouldn't be another week on AZB if there weren't a drug/pool debate/thread.
Hey, at least we're not talking about Karen Corr's sexuality.
Hey, at least we're not talking about Karen Corr's sexuality.
D-Sub said:
Not so sure about that one. My nephew was diagnosed with it and after he started his medication his average conduct grades went up atleast 20+ more points on average. There are stories out there where the medication works, and I doubt that is all in our heads.
powerlineman80 said:
I didn't say it was all in anyone's head. I said the "diagnosis" is bullshit. ADHD, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia...has anyone noticed how many "diseases" there are now? EVEN CANCER is complete bullshit sometimes!
These "diseases" are literally created to sell drugs.
This does not mean that people don't have "chemical imbalances" or problems of any sort. It means that, for the vast majority, they seriously need to change their diet. Drastic changes. HUGE changes. The drugs in most cases only mask symptoms.
I love how fdambi calls me a shmuck and then goes on to basically back my statement. Classic.
Anyway...Adderrall is speed. Sure it's different than bathtub crank, but not by much.
The sad part is that people think that if a doctor tells you "you have this" and says "here take this" then all is well. Complete, absolute bullshit.
sorry...I'm just a shmuck though.
ShootingArts said:
Hu
just curious, but what are you on meds for? Have you ever looked into what basically amounts to super nutrition? an 80% or better raw diet? NO red meat (or at the very least organic, grass fed?). NO dairy (raw, unprocessed milk is ok if from the right source) What about supplements? Good fats, proper minerals, etc?
What about your daughter and her "hyperactivity?" Have you considered eliminating the above, and especially all excitotoxins?
I still think there are some people who truly have bad wiring or "chemical imbalances" but there's a cause and the problem with western docs is that they don't try and find the cause. Same goes for cancer, alzheimers, arthritis, all the new diseases especially.
anyway...me...I get "anxiety" when I play. Heart racing, inability to think, nausea, sweaty palms. I actually convinced my doctor to prescribe me Xanax...told him I had panic attacks...but I felt like I was cheating. Took them once or twice and said screw that. Stuff is suuuper addictive, too.
basically 99% of western medicine is sheer bullshit. Except for emergency "repair" work...if I get smashed up there's nowhere I'd rather be than a western hospital
oh, except for MRSA now! Heck. We're screwed!
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mostly old folks problems
I am on med's for high blood pressure and some structural issues in the back that they can't deal with using surgery, scar tissue and adhesions. This results in chronic inflammation that has to be dealt with on a constant basis. None of my drugs are for emotional or behavior related issues and indeed I have fine tuned my medications for twenty years to the point that the slightest further reduction in any one of them has a significant negative impact. My medication list is fairly mild and all of them have physical effects on my system. I do take supplements that have proven to be of benefit.
As for my daughter, she is a perfectly healthy young lady in her mid-twenties that never was hyper-active in the medical sense and has never taken any medications in her life on a regular basis. She was a normal active young lady who existed before the age of the computer and who wasn't allowed to be glued to the TV for six or eight hours a day. As a result she was used to being active, indoors and out. She was also used to talking when she pleased. The restrictions of school were a major lifestyle change for a normal healthy country child. Do you or anyone else really think that two-thirds of a normal average class of seven year olds were clinically hyper-active? I have no idea how common the diagnosis is now but I can say it was fairly rare when I was a child and I don't think the clinical disease has risen a thousand percent or more.
If you note my first post, my daughter's sin was that she talked in class. She was highly intelligent and had learned far more on her own than they were teaching her in the early years of school. She was a straight "A" student except for conduct and that didn't involve bad behavior other than getting bored and talking to a friend during class. We moved several times during her early school years and nobody claimed she was hyper-active before or afterwards. Her "hyper-activity" was the purest BS of people taking the easiest route which was medicating most of the children into zombies.
Hu
I am on med's for high blood pressure and some structural issues in the back that they can't deal with using surgery, scar tissue and adhesions. This results in chronic inflammation that has to be dealt with on a constant basis. None of my drugs are for emotional or behavior related issues and indeed I have fine tuned my medications for twenty years to the point that the slightest further reduction in any one of them has a significant negative impact. My medication list is fairly mild and all of them have physical effects on my system. I do take supplements that have proven to be of benefit.
As for my daughter, she is a perfectly healthy young lady in her mid-twenties that never was hyper-active in the medical sense and has never taken any medications in her life on a regular basis. She was a normal active young lady who existed before the age of the computer and who wasn't allowed to be glued to the TV for six or eight hours a day. As a result she was used to being active, indoors and out. She was also used to talking when she pleased. The restrictions of school were a major lifestyle change for a normal healthy country child. Do you or anyone else really think that two-thirds of a normal average class of seven year olds were clinically hyper-active? I have no idea how common the diagnosis is now but I can say it was fairly rare when I was a child and I don't think the clinical disease has risen a thousand percent or more.
If you note my first post, my daughter's sin was that she talked in class. She was highly intelligent and had learned far more on her own than they were teaching her in the early years of school. She was a straight "A" student except for conduct and that didn't involve bad behavior other than getting bored and talking to a friend during class. We moved several times during her early school years and nobody claimed she was hyper-active before or afterwards. Her "hyper-activity" was the purest BS of people taking the easiest route which was medicating most of the children into zombies.
Hu
D-Sub said:
StevenPWaldon said:
LOL LOL LOL
Steroids
If I needed to take drugs to meet my performance goals, I'd quit. There is a reason pro athletes are not allowed to take steroids, it is bad for them and it is cheating. You can achieve the same control/ability with practice and mental composure.
If I needed to take drugs to meet my performance goals, I'd quit. There is a reason pro athletes are not allowed to take steroids, it is bad for them and it is cheating. You can achieve the same control/ability with practice and mental composure.
I take adderall for my ADHD. But I started the drug before I started learning pool. Interesting toughts though.
milwaukeepeach said:
Do you eat sugar? (think carefully here...have you any idea how much HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP there is in almost everything we buy or eat?)
What about aspartame or other "not sugars?"
Refined flour?
Do you have mercury fillings?
the list goes on and on. You might be one of those small few with an actual "chemical imbalance" but I'd be willing to wager a significant sum that your diet is the primary cause.
what bout exercise? Do you exercise strenuously at least 3X a week, preferably more?
D-Sub said:
You might as well have said it was in our heads as you said you didnt believe there was such a thing as ADHD. Its obvious you havent had to deal with a family member with it. I've watched DRASTIC changes with my oldest nephew and it has been for the good. Now they try to ween him off and he has his good days and bad, but it still improved his school work and conduct grades so it DID work.
And once again you talk about disorders you must not know about as I have Fibromyalgia along with Syringomyelia, Sarcoidosis, Degenerative Disc Disease and many more that I cant remember to spell. The Fibro diagnosis just comes from the Syringomyelia causing severe pain daily. Walk a day in my shoes or others that are worse off than me then tell us Fibromyalgia is bullshit.
Do you know what its like to hurt 24/7? Widespread pain? Loss of sensation on one side? Burning pain that will not go away? Muscle spasms every hour of every day? Muscle aches because you cant use them anymore? Weakness on one side? Losing functions with your bowels? I could go on and on but I guess I'm just "bullshitting" you?
I agree there are "some" out there that can be considered b.s. But there are quite a few you said were bullshit that has affected me directly and a family member/members and to say they are bullshit is plain stupid.
powerlineman80 said:
You're not listening.
I didn't say they're all bullshit, or all cases are. I said that most of the time they are.
AND, I'll ask YOU: What is your diet like? Have you made drastic changes to your diet? Do you take probiotics? Do you eat 80% raw, organic? Do you eat sugar? "Not sugar?" Do you have FILLINGS? I'll bet you do!
Have you ever been on a cleanse? Not a starve yourself type cleanse, but top quality nutrition with a digestive cleanse program? Ever done an oral chelation regimen?
Ever stop and think about how these "diseases" were only "discovered" recently?
Sarcoidosis = most likely fungal overgrowth. Fibromyalgia = most likely caused by the same thing, OR mercury filings!
The gist of my point is: doctors say "you have this" and we accept it, but the doctors almost NEVER say "you need to change your diet and lifestyle competely." They never mention proper supplementation. They NEVER think about fillings, root canals, past antibiotic use...
you can rail against me all you want, but the most likely truth is that your lifestyle needs to change drastically for you to feel better.
FACT: Just because a drug makes someone "feel" better or "behave" better does not mean the problem is being addressed.
http://www.naturalnews.com/001868.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/019433.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/019432.html
Neurologist Dr. Fred Baughman talks about the fraud of ADHD and the poisoning of U.S. children
Vitamin D deficiency misdiagnosed as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrom, says researcher
Look, I'm not saying you or anyone else isn't suffering. I'm not in the best of health, either, but no drug is going to fix me, or you most likely, or the OP, or anyone's kid who "has" "ADHD." We live in a very, very toxic world. WE are toxic, spiritually, emotionally, and physically, and this toxicity needs to be addressed and lessened or the suffering will continue.
http://www.naturalnews.com/019433.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/019432.html
Neurologist Dr. Fred Baughman talks about the fraud of ADHD and the poisoning of U.S. children
Vitamin D deficiency misdiagnosed as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrom, says researcher
Look, I'm not saying you or anyone else isn't suffering. I'm not in the best of health, either, but no drug is going to fix me, or you most likely, or the OP, or anyone's kid who "has" "ADHD." We live in a very, very toxic world. WE are toxic, spiritually, emotionally, and physically, and this toxicity needs to be addressed and lessened or the suffering will continue.
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just meant to be explaining
I only meant to be explaining things. My blood still boils when I think of the sorry sacks of $hit at that school drugging most of the kids so they had less work. Some of that may have spilled over into my post.
I do understand what you are saying in your posts I believe. Many of the diseases are real but far overdiagnosed. That I think is true. I also think that some "diseases" are total BS! Our society is way too quick to label everything a disease. If everything else we do wrong is a disease why isn't racism? Hey it is a behavioral problem and all in our head. Why shouldn't we spend billions treating the problem as a medical issue and give government subsidies to the poor racists that can't help themselves?
Yes I am being silly here, but no sillier than claiming every other behavioral problem is a disease. Some problems have a medical cause, many have a root cause found in the failings of society and the family.
Hu
D-Sub said:
I only meant to be explaining things. My blood still boils when I think of the sorry sacks of $hit at that school drugging most of the kids so they had less work. Some of that may have spilled over into my post.
I do understand what you are saying in your posts I believe. Many of the diseases are real but far overdiagnosed. That I think is true. I also think that some "diseases" are total BS! Our society is way too quick to label everything a disease. If everything else we do wrong is a disease why isn't racism? Hey it is a behavioral problem and all in our head. Why shouldn't we spend billions treating the problem as a medical issue and give government subsidies to the poor racists that can't help themselves?
Yes I am being silly here, but no sillier than claiming every other behavioral problem is a disease. Some problems have a medical cause, many have a root cause found in the failings of society and the family.
Hu
D-Sub said:
Wrong again. Sarcoid came from inhaling chemicals I should have never been around, and the Fibro came from the disorder in my spine. And BTW-a diet has NOTHING to do with my spine swelling and hitting and pushing/pinching nerves.
I just wanted to chime in with a couple thoughts. After reading the posts about it all being BS and that diseases are just made up to sell drugs I had to laugh. Drug companies are powerful and I do think some docs use drugs way to quickly.
However with many of the issues talked about here they are chemical imbalances in the body. To say that they are all or even most of them are diet related is crazy. Chemicals are produced int he body and need to be produced to certain levels. These all have receptors and those need to be at a certain level. Now if I have an overactive thyroid then how does my diet change that. If my body doesnt have enough receptor for
a certain toxin then how does a diet produce more. As we evolve and breed we are going to have changes in our bodies occuring more often. The human body of today isnt the same as it was 5 thousand + years ago.
ADD, IMO, is overused and has become to common. Diet can affect many things and maybe one day we will know for sure what Fructose and refined sugars is doing to us. High levels of presevatives are thought to be a real problem as well.
On a personal note I am diabetic. My father is as well. When he was diagnosed the doctor went straight to the meds. I was livid. He was overweight and had not even tried to control it without meds. I tried to get my father to try a diet/testing phase to control it but he wouldnt.
Neither of us are really bad diabetics so I didnt think we need to take the meds. I dont take them and if I eat right my glucose level drops and I feel
much better.
I wish doctors were not so quick to precribe meds but we are cattle to them now. Even if you use the same doctor they still herd you in and out for the $$$.
However with many of the issues talked about here they are chemical imbalances in the body. To say that they are all or even most of them are diet related is crazy. Chemicals are produced int he body and need to be produced to certain levels. These all have receptors and those need to be at a certain level. Now if I have an overactive thyroid then how does my diet change that. If my body doesnt have enough receptor for
a certain toxin then how does a diet produce more. As we evolve and breed we are going to have changes in our bodies occuring more often. The human body of today isnt the same as it was 5 thousand + years ago.
ADD, IMO, is overused and has become to common. Diet can affect many things and maybe one day we will know for sure what Fructose and refined sugars is doing to us. High levels of presevatives are thought to be a real problem as well.
On a personal note I am diabetic. My father is as well. When he was diagnosed the doctor went straight to the meds. I was livid. He was overweight and had not even tried to control it without meds. I tried to get my father to try a diet/testing phase to control it but he wouldnt.
Neither of us are really bad diabetics so I didnt think we need to take the meds. I dont take them and if I eat right my glucose level drops and I feel
much better.
I wish doctors were not so quick to precribe meds but we are cattle to them now. Even if you use the same doctor they still herd you in and out for the $$$.