Addressing the cue ball high and going low on the final stroke for draw.

Jerry Yost

Jerry Yost

NO MORE CTE
Silver Member
I've found this to be very helpful recently but I don't understand why. The only pro player that I'm aware that does this is Danny Basavich. He not only aims high on his draw but will also cue left for right english and left for right english moving the cue tip to the opposite side on the final stroke. Anyone else use this stoke method and does anyone have any theories as to why this seems to work for some?
 
good question. i've seen the same type of thing done by some strong players, and i havent figured out why they do it.
 
On most shots i aim center ball and apply the english on the final stroke.
I was taught this 50 years ago and it works for me. :wink:
 
I was taught, and teach, to use your warm up strokes to verify where your tip is going to make contact with the cue ball. Warming up in one direction when you are planning on shooting in another doesn't make much sense to me.

I do know some players who "ground" their cue, meaning they line the tip up to the point where the cue ball touches the table. This helps make sure you are on the vertical center. Most who do this, raise up for their warm-ups.

I can't imagine any benefit of not starting out where you plan to actually contact the cue ball.

Steve
 
Stroking Method

Jerry Yost said:
I've found this to be very helpful recently but I don't understand why. The only pro player that I'm aware that does this is Danny Basavich. He not only aims high on his draw but will also cue left for right english and left for right english moving the cue tip to the opposite side on the final stroke. Anyone else use this stoke method and does anyone have any theories as to why this seems to work for some?
Click to expand...


I stroke my cue , to the cue ball, at Which point I'm going to contact the cue ball, untill the delivery of the shot, ( no up or down movement from the cue)....put the spin from your wrist, to where your LQQKing......you get spin on the cue ball from your WRIST!................ ( Its like a baseball player throwing a ball from point A to B, very simple)....Spin

Have done it this way for decades, no problems!

hope this helps.........


David Harcrow
 
catpool9 said:
I stroke my cue , to the cue ball, at Which point I'm going to contact the cue ball, untill the delivery of the shot, ( no up or down movement from the cue)....put the spin from your wrist, to where your LQQKing......you get spin on the cue ball from your WRIST!................ ( Its like a baseball player throwing a ball from point A to B, very simple)....Spin

Have done it this way for decades, no problems!

hope this helps.........


David Harcrow
Click to expand...

You couldn't be more wrong spin does not come from wrist movement. Also you as a human are not physically able to move your wrist in the amount of time the cue is in contact with the cue ball as you have described.
 
?

I beg to differ, your spin on the cue ball (DOES) come from your WRIST!, And until you Know that , you'll be just a B player,,,,,,,,,sorry to say that..........I know the difference.............



David Harcrow
 
catpool9 said:
I beg to differ, your spin on the cue ball (DOES) come from your WRIST!, And until you Know that , you'll be just a B player,,,,,,,,,sorry to say that..........I know the difference.............



David Harcrow
Click to expand...

Since the tip is in contact with the cue ball for only about 1/1000 of a second, it can only react to the direction the cue is moving at contact, and the speed of movement of the cue. What you do with your wrist may alter the direction of travel for the cue, but spin comes from the direction of travel and contact point reletive to a center ball hit.
Steve
 
I think what Catpool is trying to say is he has a fluid wrist while shooting. He likely lets his hand fall back and then snaps his wrist forward through impact. Doing so gives you more spin because you have more cue speed through the ball. It's a blast of acceleration within a short distance.

You guys knew what he was referring to, I'm sure.

I don't even know the guy and I don't recall reading many of his posts - but even I know what he's talking about. I can't think of one good player who keeps a static wrist. Not one.
 
Last edited:
Neil said:
I don't know if this is why Danny does it or not. But, some hustlers used to purposely 'misaim' to the cb during warmup so you couldn't learn anything by watching them. Knowledge used to be a very closely guarded secret.
Click to expand...

What I was thinking too. It also helps to hide your ability so that it doesn't appear that the english was intentional even if you managed position.

Perhaps some players do this so it's easier to aim down their cue.
 
Spin

pooltchr said:
Since the tip is in contact with the cue ball for only about 1/1000 of a second, it can only react to the direction the cue is moving at contact, and the speed of movement of the cue. What you do with your wrist may alter the direction of travel for the cue, but spin comes from the direction of travel and contact point reletive to a center ball hit.
Steve
Click to expand...


I here what your saying, but I'm hitting extreme edges of the cue ball , (maybe not) I spin my ball from my WRISt! and wrist only, try it, you may like it !.....I know a lot of Players that play that way, if you can't See It, that's your problem........



David Harcrow
 
Yep

SpiderWebComm said:
I think what Catpool is trying to say is he has a fluid wrist while shooting. He likely lets his hand fall back and then snaps his wrist forward through impact. Doing so gives you more spin because you have more cue speed through the ball. It's a blast of acceleration within a short distance.

You guys knew what he was referring to, I'm sure.

I don't even know the guy and I don't recall reading many of his posts - but even I know what he's talking about. I can't think of one good player who keeps a static wrist. Not one.
Click to expand...



Your EXACTLY RIGHT!



David Harcrow
 
contact/spin/whatever

SpiderWebComm said:
I think what Catpool is trying to say is he has a fluid wrist while shooting. He likely lets his hand fall back and then snaps his wrist forward through impact. Doing so gives you more spin because you have more cue speed through the ball. It's a blast of acceleration within a short distance.

You guys knew what he was referring to, I'm sure.

I don't even know the guy and I don't recall reading many of his posts - but even I know what he's talking about. I can't think of one good player who keeps a static wrist. Not one.
Click to expand...

Thanks Dave, you got across what I wanted to say........


David Harcrow
 
Pool player

pooltchr said:
Since the tip is in contact with the cue ball for only about 1/1000 of a second, it can only react to the direction the cue is moving at contact, and the speed of movement of the cue. What you do with your wrist may alter the direction of travel for the cue, but spin comes from the direction of travel and contact point reletive to a center ball hit.
Steve
Click to expand...

I don't know what kind of teacher you are , but you ain't a POOL, POOL PLAYER!.......the Wrist is where its At!.. at applying ENGLISH.......but i'm just an ole hustler....HUSTLER!!!!!!!!!!!!


David Harcrow:cool:
 
catpool9 said:
I don't know what kind of teacher you are , but you ain't a POOL, POOL PLAYER!.......the Wrist is where its At!.. at applying ENGLISH.......but i'm just an ole hustler....HUSTLER!!!!!!!!!!!!


David Harcrow:cool:
Click to expand...

Well I feel you are not describing the action that you use correctly but you cannot hit a cue ball any further from the center than half way or the lines on a striped ball. If the wrist action you speak of is swiping at the ball with a inward or outward lateral movement of the cue prior to making contact with the cue ball, I have seen this and use it although it is difficult to control.
 
catpool9 said:
I don't know what kind of teacher you are , but you ain't a POOL, POOL PLAYER!.......the Wrist is where its At!.. at applying ENGLISH.......but i'm just an ole hustler....HUSTLER!!!!!!!!!!!!


David Harcrow:cool:
Click to expand...

No need to get defensive. I'm not saying that the wrist isn't part of the stroking process. Using your wrist may change the direction and speed of the cue stick. Spin is a result of how and where the tip contacts the cue ball.
And you are correct. You don't know what kind of instructor I am, and you don't know what kind of a player I am.
You can and do use your wrist on every shot. It may help you deliver the cue in such a way that it results in spin. There's more than one way to run a rack.

Steve
 
I know what was meant by you Cat, but Steve was correct too. And for the record, Steve has a strong game and is a very accomplished instructor. I have never worked with him directly, but his reputation throughout the Southeast speaks for itself. If you say his name, 90% of players know who he is and have nothing but praise for him.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top