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[Jaden]

I know backhand english can work, and I know at least one player who just twists on the last stroke and plays really sporty. But I have never seen Efren play but one way, and that is to line up for his english when he gets down on the shot and use a dead straight stroke. No cue twisting at all, before or during the stroke. I believe he aims at a point with his cue from my observations. I know others have said differently before. I just don't believe it because I have never seen it myself. If anyone has any video that shows something different, please feel free to prove me wrong.

unknownpro

Bustamante uses the same thing but lines up on the shot in his head and just gets down on the shot with the english already applied. I know it looks effortless and like there is nothing being thought about, but it takes a lot of knowledge and htought for them to look so effortless. Other than that I don't know what to tell you, it was shown to me by Efren himself, not someone else who claimed that Efren showed it to him. Alex who used to manage Shooter's in Riverside California is friends with Efren and he was visiting him at shooters one night while I was there. He had no action as there were really no other real shooters there that night. He was practicing shooting a rail shot on the eight that was straight in and getting shape on the nine on the opposite rail and getting perfect shape every time. I asked him how he was adjusting for the english shooting so consistently and through Alex translating he explained what I later learned was referred to as BHE while conversing online here with Colin Colenso. I didn;t know that it had a name until several years after I finally incorporated it into my system.

All of this went down in late 99 or early 2000. If anyone here knows Alex and Efren, they can back up my story. It is not Alex pagaulayan by the way it is a different Alex.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I don't know who told you what BHE is but it is not twisiting as you stroke. You still have to stroke straight through the ball to maintain consistency. It is lining up on the shot straight in and then rotating from your bridge hand so that the tip strokes straight through the point on the CB that has the amount of English on it that you want. Once you have that line, you still have to stroke straight through the CB on that line.

I agree that "straight" backhand english is the best way, but "swooping" backhand english isn't going away, so I think it has to be included in the generic name no matter what we think of it. It isn't much work to say something like "straight backhand english" and "swooping backhand english" when the distinction needs to be made.

pj
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[Jaden]

I agree that "straight" backhand english is the best way, but "swooping" backhand english isn't going away, so I think it has to be included in the generic name no matter what we think of it. It isn't much work to say something like "straight backhand english" and "swooping backhand english" when the distinction needs to be made.

pj
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I can agree, it technically for the most part uses the same principal as straight BHE, but I've always referred to it as swiping.

 

[unknownpro]

I don't know who told you what BHE is but it is not twisiting as you stroke.
You still have to stroke straight through the ball to maintain consistency. It is lining up on the shot straight in and then rotating from your bridge hand so that the tip strokes straight through the point on the CB that has the amount of English on it that you want. Once you have that line, you still have to stroke straight through the CB on that line. There are still a lot of other things that you have to be aware of like hitting too hard or too soft, the too hard only has an affect because of CIT, collision induced throw, hitting too soft allows the balls to stay in contact longer bexause of a greater gearing affect, throwing it off a little more, but for the average shot, properly executed BHE is essential.

I didn't say it was twisting, I said I knew backhand english can work, and that even players that twist on their stroke can play jam up. And I said that I've never seen Efren twist his cue, it always apears to me that he lines up his cue in a dead line to a spot and keeps it there. I have no idea what Bustamante is doing and wouldn't try to guess because he lines up so strange.

I have no reason to doubt what you're saying he told you, I'm just telling you what I have seen from some very close (and hot) seats by the table.

Of course if he makes the adjustment before he gets down to shoot then I wouldn't be able to see the twist. I actually hope he is using backhand english, maybe if I can get into shape I'll play better than him. The computer keeps killing me in chess. But there's always karaoke I guess...

unknownpro

 

[unknownpro]

Clearly we use different definitions of "exists".



Clearly we use different definitions of "real" too.



Add "see" to the list.

Without looking very closely at the stuff about masse I'll bet it's just more semantic differences and I'm not much interested in that kind of discussion.

pj
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You can bet if you want. It's a direct response to your inappropriate analogy. No need to be dismissive. If you can't defend what you said then maybe you should just admit that you made a mistake. It's no big deal. I missed a ball once.

unknownpro

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Me:
Clearly we use different definitions of "exists".

Clearly we use different definitions of "real" too.

Add "see" to the list.

Without looking very closely at the stuff about masse I'll bet it's just more semantic differences and I'm not much interested in that kind of discussion.

unknownpro
You can bet if you want. It's a direct response to your inappropriate analogy. No need to be dismissive. If you can't defend what you said then maybe you should just admit that you made a mistake. It's no big deal. I missed a ball once.

I did make a mistake. I thought you were trying to communicate.

pj
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