aiming systems r like a weight loss plan

[sr 9ball]

Everyone has to get one, and when it don’t work they buy an other one. I bought the south beach diet book and read it three times, and it still don’t work. Why? I think everyone can figure that out! It takes alot of sweat and dedication to set any goal. There's no magic pill or system to get ya where u want to be.
Pick one that u understand and is easy to follow. Put in a couple hundred hours on it. Then let’s hear about it. Not 2 days in the gym and all u ate was salad for a one week.
I hope everyone gets the picture.

 

[Druid]

Everyone has to get one, and when it don’t work they buy an other one. I bought the south beach diet book and read it three times, and it still don’t work. Why? I think everyone can figure that out! It takes alot of sweat and dedication to set any goal. There's no magic pill or system to get ya where u want to be.
Pick one that u understand and is easy to follow. Put in a couple hundred hours on it. Then let’s hear about it. Not 2 days in the gym and all u ate was salad for a one week.
I hope everyone gets the picture.

Great comparison.

I have known two good Pool Players for years, X & Y.

X does the following:
- Watches pool on TV
- Studies Pool DVDs
- Reads books on pool
- Contributes to azbilliard forum.
- Keeps his cue in tip-top shape
- practices
- plays pool

Y does the following
- plays pool
- uses a house cue because he doesn't want to "stand out"

X and Y play even.

X now believes that if he took all that time reading/studying and put it towards playing, he would be better than Y today. Playing and practicing is the key.

 

[sr 9ball]

Agreed. Practice makes perfect. But all these DVDs and lessons will accelerate your learning curve. U will eliminate a lot of trial and error. But it all comes down to table time.

 

[Masayoshi]

Pool players, like dieters, are affected greatly by the placebo effect. Anything that will raise your confidence, whether it happens to be an aiming system, a low deflection shaft, or a $20 tip, will likely make your game better through the placebo effect as long as it doesn't do anything that hurts their game.

Some people like to ride this "high" so they are perpetually moving on to the next new system or buying the newest cue on the market, but there is nothing wrong with that. Some of the greatest suffer from this syndrome, but still play great. Look at Earl, for example, he is always using some new gimmicky item every time you see him.

 

[JB Cases]

Well, pool being a results based activity - like weight loss it all comes down to what you see in reality doesn't it?

So I think any person can step on a scale and see for themselves if something is working or not when it comes to diets.

And someone can play pool and see for themselves if something is working or not when it comes to technique.

I am now training with a top coach. This coach has taught me a stroke technique that is not found in books that I know of. Nor have I seen it taught on video instruction that I have seen.

I am say 98% positive that if I were to release this information here on AZ then I would get burned at the stake.

It's not all about "table time".

I played a guy two nights ago for $450 a set races to seven who is on the table every day for up to 8 hours a day. He gambles, plays in tournaments, and goes from pool room to pool room hunting action.

I play once a week if that. My stroke was horrible, my attitude was worse.

I beat him silly. He ran out a few games but I put the heat on him and he folded. My game was steady and my aiming was deadly.

Since learning CTE I have also held my own with a lot of better players who comment on my improvement.

I played the Chinese national champion a month ago in 8 ball and in the first seven racks he ran out four times and I ran out three times.

The fact of the matter is that for everyone who is on the outside looking in aiming systems are silly. It's easy to stand on the sidelines and ridicule others for being students of the game. It's far harder to make the effort to get in there and learn something that could and probably will change your game for the better.

And harder still to get on here and talk about it knowing that you're going to be heckled for it.

But the reward is far greater. Given that pool rewards ONLY come when you make the winning shots it is very rewarding to make more of them as a result of learning how to aim properly.

As Stephen Covey says, what's the sense of spending all your energy climbing the ladder only to find out it's leaning against the wrong wall.

You can spend all your time at the table playing and thinking you are getting better by virtue of getting lots of table time OR you can actually learn the right techniques and thus spend more time on advanced play.

Would you ever tell someone who is really fast that all they needed to do to become a world class runner is run around the oval a million times?

I sincerely hope that anyone who thinks aiming systems are worthless never chooses to learn one. That guy I played the other night would have killed me if he knew how to aim the way I know how to aim. Why? Because he is younger and fitter and is playing all the time.

However if I were playing all the time then he couldn't get there with the 6 out. That's how much I think knowledge is worth.

I have seen hundreds of the Hit a Million Balls players who don't actually study the game. They get out there and play a lot and think that because they "put in the time" then they are good. When the chips are down they fold because there are things that they just don't know, methods that would have helped them, situations that they don't know the answer to, etc.... they have nothing to fall back on to maintain composure, nothing to use to double check their instincts. Their game relies on adrenaline and momentum and hoping to steamroll their oppoenents.

I was that guy. And when things are going good then it's the greatest high in the world. Who needs a silly system to play pool? Who needs a banking system, an aiming system, a kicking system, just get up there and do it. And when you're firing on all cylinders you don't, you see and "feel" everything perfectly.

So I hope that you all don't learn any of these systems and you rely on the stars lining up when you play. If they do then you're in for a tough game and if they don't then I am going to send you home broke.

 

[JB Cases]

Pool players, like dieters, are affected greatly by the placebo effect. Anything that will raise your confidence, whether it happens to be an aiming system, a low deflection shaft, or a $20 tip, will likely make your game better through the placebo effect as long as it doesn't do anything that hurts their game.

Some people like to ride this "high" so they are perpetually moving on to the next new system or buying the newest cue on the market, but there is nothing wrong with that. Some of the greatest suffer from this syndrome, but still play great. Look at Earl, for example, he is always using some new gimmicky item every time you see him.

So you're saying that aiming systems are placebos?

Are you also saying that cues have no performance differences?

I just want to understand whether you mean that people cannot be self-aware and know whether a method is producing positive results or that a cue performs better than another cue?

Is it your contention that Johnny Archer would play as good with a stock K-Mart cue off the shelf as he does with the cue he prefers to play with, that being one that he has set up to his personal liking?

And by the same token are you saying that if you took a raw player and let him loose on the pool table with no instruction and another raw player and let him loose with instruction on how to aim that the second player's better performance would only be due to a placebo effect?

 

[JoeyInCali]

In a way it is.
Fad diets instead of lifestyle change is a lot more popular.
Aiming systems are easily sellable than stroking system.
If an instructor says, for $100, I can teach you an aiming system that is the nuts , there would be a lot more buyers compared to $100 for stroking lessons.

When was the last time you saw a bad player with a very good stroke ?
If the dude can send the cueball to the spot he wants most of the time, he's pocketing balls.
Joey~Not going to argue, just my 2 cents ~

 

[Masayoshi]

So you're saying that aiming systems are placebos?

For the most part, yes. After learning the basic mechanics of where to hit the ball and the effects of throw, if you align yourself and stroke straight, the ball will go in. It doesn't even take that much accuracy because your subconcious does the rest. Alignment is found through intuition and experience no matter how you do it. Stroke is based in proper practice and table time.

Aiming systems help by giving you confidence in your alignment, if you already have that confidence, an aiming system wont do anything. If an instructor taught a student to do a back flip before every shot and that gave the student confidence in his alignment, it would help as much as CTE. Unfortunately, that effect wont last forever.

Are you also saying that cues have no performance differences?

If you are used to a cue and it doesn't have any serious defects, it doesn't matter if its a $20 budwiser cue or a predator, you will be the same skill level.

I just want to understand whether you mean that people cannot be self-aware and know whether a method is producing positive results or that a cue performs better than another cue?

So how do you measure what cue performs better than another? How do you know that CTE is better than ghost ball? Are you saying that Efren would have been a better player in the 80's and 90's had he been using a Predator and CTE rather than a cue made from bowling alley wood and whatever the heck he uses to aim?

Is it your contention that Johnny Archer would play as good with a stock K-Mart cue off the shelf as he does with the cue he prefers to play with, that being one that he has set up to his personal liking?

If he had time to adjust to the K-mart cue and it doesn't affect his confidence, yes he would. That is, he would until it starts falling apart due to cheap construction.

And by the same token are you saying that if you took a raw player and let him loose on the pool table with no instruction and another raw player and let him loose with instruction on how to aim that the second player's better performance would only be due to a placebo effect?

Like I said above, if they both learn where the object ball has to be hit, if there is any better performance at all, it will be because of confidence rather than a superior aiming system.

 

[JB Cases]

In a way it is.
Fad diets instead of lifestyle change is a lot more popular.
Aiming systems are easily sellable than stroking system.
If an instructor says, for $100, I can teach you an aiming system that is the nuts , there would be a lot more buyers compared to $100 for stroking lessons.

When was the last time you saw a bad player with a very good stroke ?
If the dude can send the cueball to the spot he wants most of the time, he's pocketing balls.
Joey~Not going to argue, just my 2 cents ~

Hal Houle traveled across America giving away his knowledge for 20 years. If you go to the websites of the top instructors in the USA none of them are making "aiming" or aiming systems the centerpiece of their teaching. All of them focus on fundamentals.

All this talk of "BUYING" an aiming system is bunk. No one is buying an aiming system. I didn't pay a dime to learn CTE other than the time I put in reading about it and the time I put in on the table figuring it out.

Now there is a video that people can buy. They aren't buying an aiming system there either. They are paying an instructor for his time to produce the video showing what he knows. They are buying access to structured information that they could have for free if they are willing to put in the time collecting and analyzing that information.

So to reiterate, no instructor is out there selling anyone an aiming system as a cure-all for their game. All good instructors stress good fundamentals as the foundation of both their instruction and of any person's game.

This witch-hunt mentality on AZ about aiming systems is truly depressing. You would think that in 2011 people would finally come to the realization that they don't know everything about everything and that every day is a blessing and opportunity to discover something new.

But no, people will never change. Every generation throughout history has had plenty of people who thought that mankind was at the highest point it could ever be at.

And luckily there have been plenty of folks who reject that and stay on the path of discovery and growth and so progress is made not by the critics but by the explorers.

As the saying goes no one ever erected a statue in honor of a critic.

 

[Masayoshi]

Hal Houle traveled across America giving away his knowledge for 20 years. If you go to the websites of the top instructors in the USA none of them are making "aiming" or aiming systems the centerpiece of their teaching. All of them focus on fundamentals.

All this talk of "BUYING" an aiming system is bunk. No one is buying an aiming system. I didn't pay a dime to learn CTE other than the time I put in reading about it and the time I put in on the table figuring it out.

Now there is a video that people can buy. They aren't buying an aiming system there either. They are paying an instructor for his time to produce the video showing what he knows. They are buying access to structured information that they could have for free if they are willing to put in the time collecting and analyzing that information.

People can also always cook their own healthy food and exercise on their own through publicly available knowledge, but billions are spent on diet plans and exercise plans every year.

So to reiterate, no instructor is out there selling anyone an aiming system as a cure-all for their game. All good instructors stress good fundamentals as the foundation of both their instruction and of any person's game.

This witch-hunt mentality on AZ about aiming systems is truly depressing. You would think that in 2011 people would finally come to the realization that they don't know everything about everything and that every day is a blessing and opportunity to discover something new.

Sorry, but its not a witch hunt. When people claim that they never miss now that they started using CTE (as many have), the right thing to do is to call BS.

But no, people will never change. Every generation throughout history has had plenty of people who thought that mankind was at the highest point it could ever be at.

And luckily there have been plenty of folks who reject that and stay on the path of discovery and growth and so progress is made not by the critics but by the explorers.

As the saying goes no one ever erected a statue in honor of a critic.

Wait a minute, afaik no critic of CTE has ever said or implied that they know everything about the game. CTE users, however HAVE claimed that "CTE is the ultimate aiming system", "Everybody in 10 years will be using CTE", "CTE is mechanically perfect and does not rely on intuition (although they can't describe how exactly it is mechanically perfect)". Who exactly is claiming to know everything?

All us critics are doing is calling BS to those claims, just as scientists call BS when some crackpot claims to have invented perpetual motion (and in retalition the crackpot usually claims that "scientists don't know everything", "the establishment is on a witchhunt because free energy will eat into their profits", etc.).

 

[JB Cases]

For the most part, yes. After learning the basic mechanics of where to hit the ball and the effects of throw, if you align yourself and stroke straight, the ball will go in. It doesn't even take that much accuracy because your subconcious does the rest. Alignment is found through intuition and experience no matter how you do it. Stroke is based in proper practice and table time.

That is incorrect. Alignment happens when objects are brought into a line with each other. Accuracy is important. Reliance on your subconscious to do the aligning is foolish in my opinion and is what holds a lot of player's back.

I would be willing to bet everything I have ever earned in my life and everything I will ever earn than I can prove you wrong.

The way I would do it is to give two players the basics of mechanics and the knowledge of throw. One player would be taught to aim and the other player would not be given any instruction on aiming.

After one week I am certain that the player who was taught to aim would be pocketing more balls.

Aiming systems help by giving you confidence in your alignment, if you already have that confidence, an aiming system wont do anything. If an instructor taught a student to do a back flip before every shot and that gave the student confidence in his alignment, it would help as much as CTE. Unfortunately, that effect wont last forever.

This is also wrong. A player can be aligned wrong and be 100% confident that they are right. In fact what often happens when a player is taught CTE is that they are NOT confident in the alignment and yet the ball goes in. The reason that they are not confident is because they were aligned WRONG previously where they felt that they were right.

Why do you think that people use sights and laser guided systems to line up to targets? They use them because "feeling" isn't good enough. The subconscious isn't magically able to make people line up perfectly to targets. By the same token CTE gives players something concrete to use a guideline.

If you are used to a cue and it doesn't have any serious defects, it doesn't matter if its a $20 budwiser cue or a predator, you will be the same skill level.

Really? What is a "serious defect"? Of course the player will have the same skill level. But if you think that the cue he is using has no bearing on how well he can perform then you are seriously mistaken.

So how do you measure what cue performs better than another? How do you know that CTE is better than ghost ball? Are you saying that Efren would have been a better player in the 80's and 90's had he been using a Predator and CTE rather than a cue made from bowling alley wood and whatever the heck he uses to aim?

First of all bowling alley wood is some of the best wood that can be used in any wooden product but I understand your meaning. Measuring how well a cue performs is something that Predator has pioneered. But before that it was just players who could feel it. They may not be able to tell how a cue is made as the results of the Texas Express experiment found out but they definitely know a good "hit" and a bad hit when they use a cue. I had this conversation with Rodney Morris before and he explained as you know when you can draw your ball a certain way with one cue as opposed to another.

How do I know CTE is better than Ghost Ball? Personally I know it because Ghost Ball is imprecise from it's very name. Anytime you are asking a person to imagine an object and then use that imaginary object to align themselves to solid objects you are dependent on that person's ability to imagine and perceive. At the very least any person who can see can put their finger on the "edge" of the object ball, they can get damn close to the center of the cue ball. Ask them to put their finger on the table at 2.25" from teh center of the object ball in line with the pocket and I will bet you that they are wrong more often than they are right.

If he had time to adjust to the K-mart cue and it doesn't affect his confidence, yes he would. That is, he would until it starts falling apart due to cheap construction.

Doesn't it occur to you that how the cue feels when Johnny tries to draw his ball, i.e. when he has to work harder to do that, affects his confidence? And the very act of working harder to accomplish the same task proves that the cue has a performance difference.

Like I said above, if they both learn where the object ball has to be hit, if there is any better performance at all, it will be because of confidence rather than a superior aiming system.

And how does one learn where the object ball has to be hit?

Through a proper aiming system. You take your guy and teach him how to stroke without showing him how to aim. I will teach my guy how to stroke AND an aiming system - my guy will bust your guy.

 

[JoeyInCali]

All this talk of "BUYING" an aiming system is bunk. No one is buying an aiming system. I didn't pay a dime to learn CTE other than the time I put in reading about it and the time I put in on the table figuring it out.

Marvin Chin's aiming system book.
Don Feeney's double the distance aiming video.
Pro-One.
Side of the ferrule aiming vhs. Yes, there was one.
SAM is not free. Not that it's not a good system, it is. And I'll give Randy and Scott props b/c they teach SPF foremost, not SAM.
Colliding Spheres sold his aiming system lessons for years here in Socal and Washington area.

If nobody is buying, nobody is selling.
The thread title reads aiming systems, not CTE.

 

[JB Cases]

People can also always cook their own healthy food and exercise on their own through publicly available knowledge, but billions are spent on diet plans and exercise plans every year.

So what? If people want to buy diet plans then let them. What's the point? That people can lose weight without buying themselves a book telling them how? Everyone knows that already.

However those diet books have helped put millions of people on the path to weight loss. For some it sticks and changes their life and for others it doesn't and collects dust. Again so what? Are you saying that the authors of those diet books had no right to write to them and present them to the world?

Sorry, but its not a witch hunt. When people claim that they never miss now that they started using CTE (as many have), the right thing to do is to call BS.

Please find just one quote where a CTE proponent has clamed that they never miss. It's distortions like this which amount to a witch hunt. Sorry, but it IS a witch hunt when people have to resort to fallacies and distortions of the truth and outright lies in order to advance their position.

Wait a minute, afaik no critic of CTE has ever said or implied that they know everything about the game.

That's the implication when critics claim that all one needs is to hit a million balls or print out a device to help them learn Ghost Ball.

CTE users, however HAVE claimed that "CTE is the ultimate aiming system",

Do you know of anything better? Seems to me that if the premise of this thread is correct and aiming system users are jumping from one to the next then they ought to be qualified to make such a statement. My guess is that to even be able to make such a statement one would need to be well versed in the prevailing systems out there including the Ghost Ball method, the feel method, the hit a million balls method, the cocaine method, etc.....

"Everybody in 10 years will be using CTE", "CTE is mechanically perfect and does not rely on intuition (although they can't describe how exactly it is mechanically perfect)". Who exactly is claiming to know everything?

Again you are making accusations without proof. Please quote who said what and challenge them to explain it. For me personally I believe that everyone will be using it in ten years - why wouldn't they want to use a system that is mechanically perfect?

All us critics are doing is calling BS to those claims, just as scientists call BS when some crackpot claims to have invented perpetual motion (and in retalition the crackpot usually claims that "scientists don't know everything", "the establishment is on a witchhunt because free energy will eat into their profits", etc.).

That means that you have tested CTE and can prove the claims are wrong? I missed your proof. Can you please link to it.

I mean after all when we go back to the beginning of the thread we can certainly go online and find proof that some of the "fad" diets do not work because of certain nutritional issues. That proof is well laid out by nutritionists and doctors on the web.

I have yet to see something similar disproving CTE. I see more and more people each day reporting success with it though. Success as measured in pocketing more balls, pocketing tougher shots and being more consistent.

So I will be glad to see your detailed proof that CTE is nothing more than a placebo. Until then it's your opinion which I believe to wrong based on my experience with CTE.

And by the way when I first started learning CTE I missed a bunch of balls. Didn't do much for my confidence.

 

[JB Cases]

Marvin Chin's aiming system book.
Don Feeney's double the distance aiming video.
Pro-One.
Side of the ferrule aiming vhs. Yes, there was one.
SAM is not free. Not that it's not a good system, it is. And I'll give Randy and Scott props b/c they teach SPF foremost, not SAM.
Colliding Spheres sold his aiming system lessons for years here in Socal and Washington area.

If nobody is buying, nobody is selling.
The thread title reads aiming systems, not CTE.

Good point. Shane Van Boeing said he uses the ferrule to aim. Is he wrong, is his method bull shit?

In that vein do you ever purchase knowledge or do you wait for it to be freely available?

I buy books and videos on leather working, carving, coloring, assembling, etc.... I am sure that I could get most of the information by searching it out on the web but I like to have it contained in an easy to reference book/dvd on my shelf.

Do you think that any of these aiming systems have merit or are they all just made-up nonsense for the purpose of separating people from their money?

 

[Masayoshi]

That is incorrect. Alignment happens when objects are brought into a line with each other. Accuracy is important. Reliance on your subconscious to do the aligning is foolish in my opinion and is what holds a lot of player's back.

It is not incorrect. As you said, "alignment happens when objects are brought into a line with each other", I said "Alignment is found through intuition and experience". The two are not mutually exclusive. Maybe you just didn't understand what I wrote, read it again. Unless you can describe how CTE doesn't rely on your subconcious, you just called yourself a fool. CTE must rely on your subconcious because it is not geometrically accurate.

I would be willing to bet everything I have ever earned in my life and everything I will ever earn than I can prove you wrong.

So what, you can prove that 1+1=3 that doesn't make it right.

The way I would do it is to give two players the basics of mechanics and the knowledge of throw. One player would be taught to aim and the other player would not be given any instruction on aiming.

After one week I am certain that the player who was taught to aim would be pocketing more balls.

That would be a flawed experiment. You don't have a control to account for the placebo effect.

This is also wrong. A player can be aligned wrong and be 100% confident that they are right. In fact what often happens when a player is taught CTE is that they are NOT confident in the alignment and yet the ball goes in. The reason that they are not confident is because they were aligned WRONG previously where they felt that they were right.

No, sorry. The confidence lies in the players confidence in CTE. They are confident that if they do what CTE tells them to do, the ball will go in. Before they didn't have confidence that the ball would go in or else why would they change aiming systems?

Why do you think that people use sights and laser guided systems to line up to targets? They use them because "feeling" isn't good enough. The subconscious isn't magically able to make people line up perfectly to targets. By the same token CTE gives players something concrete to use a guideline.

Something concrete that is geometrically imperfect, but close enough so that their subconcious takes over to get them aligned perfect. Its the same thing as feel.

Really? What is a "serious defect"? Of course the player will have the same skill level. But if you think that the cue he is using has no bearing on how well he can perform then you are seriously mistaken.

A serious defect would be a cue that is significantly warped, that has a tip that is far below standard, or that has any other imperfection that causes it to not hit consistently.

First of all bowling alley wood is some of the best wood that can be used in any wooden product but I understand your meaning. Measuring how well a cue performs is something that Predator has pioneered. But before that it was just players who could feel it. They may not be able to tell how a cue is made as the results of the Texas Express experiment found out but they definitely know a good "hit" and a bad hit when they use a cue. I had this conversation with Rodney Morris before and he explained as you know when you can draw your ball a certain way with one cue as opposed to another.

Sorry, but "hit" is completely subjective. If a player becomes used to a cue and doesn't have any reservations about it, there will be no difference in performance.

How do I know CTE is better than Ghost Ball? Personally I know it because Ghost Ball is imprecise from it's very name. Anytime you are asking a person to imagine an object and then use that imaginary object to align themselves to solid objects you are dependent on that person's ability to imagine and perceive. At the very least any person who can see can put their finger on the "edge" of the object ball, they can get damn close to the center of the cue ball. Ask them to put their finger on the table at 2.25" from teh center of the object ball in line with the pocket and I will bet you that they are wrong more often than they are right.

I never asked you to compare ghost ball and CTE, but whatever. I'll address this anyways.

Here is my rebuttal. Ghost ball (with adjustment for throw) is geometrically perfect (not that I use ghost ball). Prove that CTE is geometrically perfect and you can then attempt to debate about which is better.

Doesn't it occur to you that how the cue feels when Johnny tries to draw his ball, i.e. when he has to work harder to do that, affects his confidence? And the very act of working harder to accomplish the same task proves that the cue has a performance difference.

That would be the placebo effect at work. Do you even know what a placebo is?

And how does one learn where the object ball has to be hit?

Through experience.

Through a proper aiming system. You take your guy and teach him how to stroke without showing him how to aim. I will teach my guy how to stroke AND an aiming system - my guy will bust your guy.

How about this, I'll teach my guy how to stroke, without teaching him how to aim. You teach your guy to aim without teaching him how to stroke. My guy will bust your guy.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Good point. Shane Van Boeing said he uses the ferrule to aim. Is he wrong, is his method bull shit?

In that vein do you ever purchase knowledge or do you wait for it to be freely available?

I buy books and videos on leather working, carving, coloring, assembling, etc.... I am sure that I could get most of the information by searching it out on the web but I like to have it contained in an easy to reference book/dvd on my shelf.

Do you think that any of these aiming systems have merit or are they all just made-up nonsense for the purpose of separating people from their money?

That's not the point.
Aiming Systems Are Like Weight Loss Plan is the title of the thread.
I'm sure there are several weight loss plans that work, but there a ton that are bullkaka and unattainable.
A C player does not need an aiming system more than a fundamentals lesson.
A fat dude does not need a diet more than changing his lifestyle.

 

[duckie]

nevermind.........

 

[Masayoshi]

So what? If people want to buy diet plans then let them. What's the point? That people can lose weight without buying themselves a book telling them how? Everyone knows that already.

I know, I was just pointing out that your argument was flawed. You tried to rebut Joey's argument that fad diets are similar to aiming systems by pointing out that cte is public knowledge. I pointed out that that argument is flawed because fad diets are also public knowledge

However those diet books have helped put millions of people on the path to weight loss. For some it sticks and changes their life and for others it doesn't and collects dust. Again so what? Are you saying that the authors of those diet books had no right to write to them and present them to the world?

What, no. stop atacking strawmen.

Please find just one quote where a CTE proponent has clamed that they never miss. It's distortions like this which amount to a witch hunt. Sorry, but it IS a witch hunt when people have to resort to fallacies and distortions of the truth and outright lies in order to advance their position.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showt...n it, the placebo effect will come into play.

 

[cleary]

As of now, I've spend $0 learning 90/90 system so who ever is making these big bucks needs to raise their prices.

 

[JB Cases]

I know, I was just pointing out that your argument was flawed. You tried to rebut Joey's argument that fad diets are similar to aiming systems by pointing out that cte is public knowledge. I pointed out that that argument is flawed because fad diets are also public knowledge

The rebuttal was that the only way to acquire an aiming system is to pay for it. It is still a fact that you do not have to pay to learn most aiming systems. Joey just pointed out that some people are SELLING the information packaged in a book or dvd. Again, so what?

The premise of the thread is that aiming is a byproduct of hard work and not due to a certain method. That is wrong.

What, no. stop atacking strawmen.

Stop introducing them.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showt... to prove according to your statements above.