Aiming Voodoo Video

SpiderWebComm said:
Of course that's key, but nobody really pays attention to it. If you're going to use a 1/2 ball pivot--- that's required. Once you understand how the shot circle works.... hold on tight. "Just whack it" as Hal says.

Once you get that down, experiment with pivoting about 1/4 tip shy of center and then stroking crooked on purpose towards the center of the ball--- let your tip fall away to the center. When you realize that you can make balls that way, it opens another universe to explore. Since I can stroke straight 25% of the time and stroke crooked 100% of the time - this is really important.

Anyways, since it's Christmas -- don't hold back on the rep :)

Glad I could help, John.

P.S. The pivot point is totally irrelevant as far as figuring it out is concerned. You shouldn't care-- it's applied automatically. The CB is NOT irrelevant, however. IN FACT---- (hold on to your seats for this tidbit)-- The CB is your TRUE target, NOT the OB. The moment you lock in your alignment, the OB no longer is the target---- the importance shifts to the CB.

As CJ Wiley recently told me......"FIND YOUR CENTER" ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Rep was sent. Merry Christmas. But you are maxed out on 2,147,483,647 points so your spot will not change.

Thanks for the perspective above. Excellent series of posts on this and related threads.

Bump, bump to the master.
 
The Milk Man said:
P.S. The pivot point is totally irrelevant as far as figuring it out is concerned. You shouldn't care-- it's applied automatically. The CB is NOT irrelevant, however. IN FACT---- (hold on to your seats for this tidbit)-- The CB is your TRUE target, NOT the OB. The moment you lock in your alignment, the OB no longer is the target---- the importance shifts to the CB.

Dave are you saying that you look at the cue ball last or does it even matter which ball you look at in a system like this? Thanks to everyone for posting this information. While some days I am more confused than others. Trying to learn the system has made it enjoyable to practice again.

Shev
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As far as ball-pocketing is concerned, you can totally look at the CB last. I don't, however. The last moment, my eyes shift to the OB. When I said the CB is the true target, what determines if you make the ball (outside of the stroke) is hitting the CB at the center (or center axis). You must be able to find center (which is hard enough) and then hit through the core at will. Many times, the shot is missed because you're not hitting the CB where you intend.

It's amazing how well your pocketing increases when you intend to hit center - and do it.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
As far as ball-pocketing is concerned, you can totally look at the OB last. I don't, however. The last moment, my eyes shift to the OB. When I said the CB is the true target, what determines if you make the ball (outside of the stroke) is hitting the CB at the center (or center axis). You must be able to find center (which is hard enough) and then hit through the core at will. Many times, the shot is missed because you're not hitting the CB where you intend.

It's amazing how well your pocketing increases when you intend to hit center - and do it.
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This is SO TRUE. When you think you are hitting the center of the cue ball more object balls will fall, I promise.
 
jsp said:
JB, thank you for taking the time to shoot and post the video. I obtained some interesting information from watching it. Though, it raises more questions about CTE than it answers...


I also noticed what LAMas observed. Before you pivot, your cue seems to point from the left edge of the CB to to the left edge of the OB. I don't know if you're really connecting those two points, but you did confirm above that you at least point to the CB's left edge. In any case, this pre-pivot cue line is not on the ETC or CTE lines.
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The cue is not supposed to be on the CTE Line pre-pivot.
Please explain more precisely/systematically how you place your cue before you pivot. You say you point to the left edge of the CB, but that's only one point and it doesn't define a unique line. What is the other point? Is it really the left edge of the OB?
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Two points are the left edge of the cue ball and "around" the CTE Line. I can't explain it better than that.


Also, if you really are using CTE, how exactly are you using the CTE line in the system you're using?
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Um, the use of the Center to Edge line is the most well defined part of the process. You use the Center to Edge line as the first step to align your body to the shot. The CTE line tells you where to stand when looking at the balls so you can go through the other steps. Once the CTE line is used for alignment then it is no longer used, as I understand it.

Disclaimer: What I am doing is not CTE as taught by Hal or Dave or Stan. It is my own journey based on things I have read and advice I have been given. As seen in this thread it is clear that there are better ways to do it than what I am showing. My purpose is to move the discussion along towards those better ways.



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JB Cases said:
The cue is not supposed to be on the CTE Line pre-pivot.


Two points are the left edge of the cue ball and "around" the CTE Line. I can't explain it better than that.




Um, the use of the Center to Edge line is the most well defined part of the process. You use the Center to Edge line as the first step to align your body to the shot. The CTE line tells you where to stand when looking at the balls so you can go through the other steps. Once the CTE line is used for alignment then it is no longer used, as I understand it.

Disclaimer: What I am doing is not CTE as taught by Hal or Dave or Stan. It is my own journey based on things I have read and advice I have been given. As seen in this thread it is clear that there are better ways to do it than what I am showing. My purpose is to move the discussion along towards those better ways.



Thanks.
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Dear John, I am really not writing about your remarks on the CTE system, all though they are very good..I do have the utmost respect for the information that you bring to the forum and all the science you do to help people understand the CTE system.BUT this original post was not about the CTE system it was about the 90/90 system that Andrew Cleary was kind enough to do a video on..After a few pages of my 90/90 it turned into the usual debate on the CTE.I don't think that was very fair to Cleary.

I never get involved in these things but a few people asked me some questions and i gave some very important information and not one person was interested. I put 18 years of my life working on and finding things about pool that people still haven't found yet. The reason i know is because no one has ever talked about it,and i never did just to see if anyone was ever going to stumble on it.Well they haven'.

I must say John you have come very close with some of your findings and i told you so,but you would rather talk about the CTE system and there's nothing wrong with that.

I was taught by a very brilliant man that people ask the wrong questions and most of you are doing just that.As a result you all get into fights because everyone is answering the same question over and over all giving there own opinion for their answer...So if they were to ask the right question to the right people then this forum would cease to exist..

I think you should be asking the people who put these systems together..Now i did not invent the system only the method in which i teach it. No one owns the system it's been here since pool started.

This letter is not to insult any
one only to help people think before they ask a question..

Your Friend
Ron V
PS ALL SYSTEMS WORK
 
The Milk Man said:
P.S. The pivot point is totally irrelevant as far as figuring it out is concerned. You shouldn't care-- it's applied automatically. The CB is NOT irrelevant, however. IN FACT---- (hold on to your seats for this tidbit)-- The CB is your TRUE target, NOT the OB. The moment you lock in your alignment, the OB no longer is the target---- the importance shifts to the CB.

Dave are you saying that you look at the cue ball last or does it even matter which ball you look at in a system like this? Thanks to everyone for posting this information. While some days I am more confused than others. Trying to learn the system has made it enjoyable to practice again.

Shev
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I assume your asking whether you look at the CB or OB last while you pull the trigger and once you pivot to the new center you really can do either or. However when pivoting I focus on the CB so I can accurately find the new center, which I believe is everything. After I find the center CB and I'm locked in, I can look at either the CB or the OB last during my final stroke ( even close my eyes :eek: ).
 
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Dear John, I am really not writing about your remarks on the CTE system, all though they are very good..I do have the utmost respect for the information that you bring to the forum and all the science you do to help people understand the CTE system.BUT this original post was not about the CTE system it was about the 90/90 system that Andrew Cleary was kind enough to do a video on..After a few pages of my 90/90 it turned into the usual debate on the CTE.I don't think that was very fair to Cleary.

I never get involved in these things but a few people asked me some questions and i gave some very important information and not one person was interested. I put 18 years of my life working on and finding things about pool that people still haven't found yet. The reason i know is because no one has ever talked about it,and i never did just to see if anyone was ever going to stumble on it.Well they haven'.

I must say John you have come very close with some of your findings and i told you so,but you would rather talk about the CTE system and there's nothing wrong with that.

I was taught by a very brilliant man that people ask the wrong questions and most of you are doing just that.As a result you all get into fights because everyone is answering the same question over and over all giving there own opinion for their answer...So if they were to ask the right question to the right people then this forum would cease to exist..

I think you should be asking the people who put these systems together..Now i did not invent the system only the method in which i teach it. No one owns the system it's been here since pool started.

This letter is not to insult any
one only to help people think before they ask a question..

Your Friend
Ron V
PS ALL SYSTEMS WORK
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Ron, I really appreciate the fact that you get paid for what you do. However, as a Christmas present to all of us, would you be willing to give away SOME tidbits on 90/90 for us?? I'm not asking you to give it all away for free, just what you can feel comfortable with. Not many of us are able to come to you, so here is all we can get.
 
Ron, I really appreciate the fact that you get paid for what you do. However, as a Christmas present to all of us, would you be willing to give away SOME tidbits on 90/90 for us?? I'm not asking you to give it all away for free, just what you can feel comfortable with. Not many of us are able to come to you, so here is all we can get.[/QUOTE]

Neil, I do not get paid unless someone comes to NYC and then i let them stay at my place so they can save at least $250.00 a night I play poker for a living and made $75,000 last year.Do you think I can make that giving lessons..I do it because the people really want learn the system and I enjoy teaching it..All my phone lessons are free and i spend an hour to an hour and a half...

I will teach you guys anything you want to learn for free I have said that in the past. So fire away with the questions.
I will do it on the forum or on the phone. 212-737-0077, And it will be more than tidbits

Anytime Neil
Regards
Ron V.
 
RonV said:
Ron, I really appreciate the fact that you get paid for what you do. However, as a Christmas present to all of us, would you be willing to give away SOME tidbits on 90/90 for us?? I'm not asking you to give it all away for free, just what you can feel comfortable with. Not many of us are able to come to you, so here is all we can get.
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Neil, I do not get paid unless someone comes to NYC and then i let them stay at my place so they can save at least $250.00 a night I play poker for a living and made $75,000 last year.Do you think I can make that giving lessons..I do it because the people really want learn the system and I enjoy teaching it..All my phone lessons are free and i spend an hour to an hour and a half...

I will teach you guys anything you want to learn for free I have said that in the past. So fire away with the questions.
I will do it on the forum or on the phone. 212-737-0077, And it will be more than tidbits

Anytime Neil
Regards
Ron V.[/QUOTE]

Great! I don't know how well you type, but would you point out where Cleary is wrong in his video?
 
Neil said:
Neil, I do not get paid unless someone comes to NYC and then i let them stay at my place so they can save at least $250.00 a night I play poker for a living and made $75,000 last year.Do you think I can make that giving lessons..I do it because the people really want learn the system and I enjoy teaching it..All my phone lessons are free and i spend an hour to an hour and a half...

I will teach you guys anything you want to learn for free I have said that in the past. So fire away with the questions.
I will do it on the forum or on the phone. 212-737-0077, And it will be more than tidbits

Anytime Neil
Regards
Ron V.
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Great! I don't know how well you type, but would you point out where Cleary is wrong in his video?[/QUOTE]

Neil, I just looked at Cleary's video and it seem that he air swivels instead of moving his hip to get to center CB. Now that does work but there is feel in that method.I tried that years ago and found the hip was always on the mark with almost no adjustment. If I need to correct it then it's my fault, remember the system is never wrong it would always be human error.

What ever shot there is on the table 1/2 ball 3/4 ball etc,etc. The CB will always be aiming at the cut point just like the CTE system.The CTE has to be aimed center to the cut on every different shot. Where the 90/90 when you aim 90/90 and turn the hip you go right to the cut point no matter what the shot.

Ron V
 
RonV said:
Dear John, I am really not writing about your remarks on the CTE system, all though they are very good..I do have the utmost respect for the information that you bring to the forum and all the science you do to help people understand the CTE system.BUT this original post was not about the CTE system it was about the 90/90 system that Andrew Cleary was kind enough to do a video on..After a few pages of my 90/90 it turned into the usual debate on the CTE.I don't think that was very fair to Cleary.

I never get involved in these things but a few people asked me some questions and i gave some very important information and not one person was interested. I put 18 years of my life working on and finding things about pool that people still haven't found yet. The reason i know is because no one has ever talked about it,and i never did just to see if anyone was ever going to stumble on it.Well they haven'.

I must say John you have come very close with some of your findings and i told you so,but you would rather talk about the CTE system and there's nothing wrong with that.

I was taught by a very brilliant man that people ask the wrong questions and most of you are doing just that.As a result you all get into fights because everyone is answering the same question over and over all giving there own opinion for their answer...So if they were to ask the right question to the right people then this forum would cease to exist..

I think you should be asking the people who put these systems together..Now i did not invent the system only the method in which i teach it. No one owns the system it's been here since pool started.

This letter is not to insult any
one only to help people think before they ask a question..

Your Friend
Ron V
PS ALL SYSTEMS WORK
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Fair enough. I kind of tried to get away from talking about CTE but it seems as if the two are linked in people's minds.

My first question is what are the steps to use 90/90? I'd like to follow your directions to the letter if possible when learning it and talking about it.
 
Ron could you explain your hip pivot? I am having to slide my bridge hand over to get back to center. It does work for me, but leaves a lot of room for error.

Thanks

Shev

ps Jaw and Dave thanks for responding to my question.
 
Ron, I'm glad you got the thread back in line. I am somewhat familiar with a hip pivot when using english.

I am with John in wishing for a step by step procedure for your aiming system. Approach, set up, visual, hip pivot--whatever it requires. Ideally you and Cleary could hook up for a video. If not and if it is too difficult to explain via writing please PM me the best time to call you after the Holidays or between Xmas and New Years.

Thanks for sharing.
 
Well I tried me some 90/90 today and it's freaking awesome so far. I understand the "hip pivot" a little I think. I don't really know yet what shots are a Edge to Edge vs. an Edge to Center but let me tell you this is the real deal. No video yet because my webcam I hooked up to the ceiling decided it does not like 30 feet of usb cables strung together. I am going to hunt for one that does pan and tilt and zoom and also a long usb cable.

Can anyone recommend a good piece of software for capturing video from a webcam that is FREE? I was using the logitech software that came with the logitec camera - but since the camera is out so is the software. I downloaded a couple programs but they all suck.
 
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