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SpiderWebComm said:
Hal's system is really, really strong. Hal pretty much changed my life when I took the time to visit him last July. I've been playing pool for about 15 years, but I've only learned how to play since meeting Hal.

These aiming threads tend to get heated for some reason. I compare Hal's system to some of those Stereogram pictures...ya know, where you see an image out of nowhere by looking past it? You either see it or you don't. Those who don't see it will say it's a joke, those who do would attest to the fact it's one of the strongest foundations in pocketing balls.

I don't think Hal really cares if anyone uses his system, likes his system, or whatnot. He just puts it out there for people to use if they want. My take on it is you can play for a decade and never develop your feel to pocket any ball or you can reduce that time greatly w/ Hal's system. I'm 11 months into it and my ball pocketing is at least 5x greater than it was a year ago...i'm confident that's not an exaggeration. For those who pocket balls really well by feel, etc... perfect. I envy you!

I don't like to pivot from right to left when aiming, it's really awkward feeling for me (just a personal thing). Therefore, I use a hybrid system between Hal's and Ronnie V -- to ensure I always pivot left to right. Stan Shuffet does something very similar.

Hal's center-to-edge system really changed my life with pool.... Thanks Hal :)

Dave

I saw your straight pool run video, and you certainly look like a confident shooter. It must work, even if it's not easily explainable why it works. A little while back you helped clarify Hal's system for me. What I say here is just my opinion as to why the system is successful. I may be way off, but it's what my instincts tell me.

I met with Hal and his family, yet was puzzled by a few things, but eventually I realized that the reason people, like me, too quickly reject the center-to-edge-pivot-back-to-center system is that it doesn't fit into what we would label as an aiming system--one that provides targets for all possible shot angles.

What it does do however is provide our eyes and brain a good base point to do a visual sweep until the correct angle for the shot is found by instinct. Subtle adjustments are made from the basic center-to-edge pivot-back-to-center routine, so that all shots are covered by feel. So my take on it is that the system seems to be a great reference or starting point for feeling the right aim for a particular shot.

One thing you can't do with this system is analyze it too much. You just have to do it and let your instincts take over from there. If you're too rigid with it, like I was, it won't work. You can sight perfectly center to edge, you can then pivot perfectly back to center and still miss, but you're missing because you forgot the third step-- feel and adjust until it's right, don't think.

The center to edge is a reference. The pivot or cue placement before the pivot is one that is different for different shots. It really has to be, but I think we're capable of sensing the right pivot for the shot at hand. If a robot were designed to use this system in its strictest form, it would sight flawlessly center to edge and pivot flawlessly from the side of the cueball back to center, yet it would miss most shots. It's the human element that allows it to work.

I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of meeting with Hal and his family. It was a beautiful day up in the mountains. If I lived closer I'd go back. Anyone who does live close enough should take him up on his invitation to show you the system first hand. I doubt you'd regret it.
 
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bluepepper said:
I saw your straight pool run video, and you certainly look like a confident shooter. It must work, even if it's not easily explainable why it works. A little while back you helped clarify Hal's system for me. What I say here is just my opinion as to why the system is successful. I may be way off, but it's what my instincts tell me.

I met with Hal and his family, yet was puzzled by a few things, but eventually I realized that the reason people, like me, too quickly reject the center-to-edge-pivot-back-to-center system is that it doesn't fit into what we would label as an aiming system--one that provides targets for all possible shot angles.

What it does do however is provide our eyes and brain a good base point to do a visual sweep until the correct angle for the shot is found by instinct. Subtle adjustments are made from the basic center-to-edge pivot-back-to-center routine, so that all shots are covered by feel. So my take on it is that the system seems to be a great reference or starting point for feeling the right aim for a particular shot.

One thing you can't do with this system is analyze it too much. You just have to do it and let your instincts take over from there. If you're too rigid with it, like I was, it won't work. You can sight perfectly center to edge, you can then pivot perfectly back to center and still miss, but you're missing because you forgot the third step-- feel and adjust until it's right, don't think.

The center to edge is a reference. The pivot or cue placement before the pivot is one that is different for different shots. It really has to be, but I think we're capable of sensing the right pivot for the shot at hand. If a robot were designed to use this system in its strictest form, it would sight flawlessly center to edge and pivot flawlessly from the side of the cueball back to center, yet it would miss most shots. It's the human element that allows it to work.

I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of meeting with Hal and his family. It was a beautiful day up in the mountains. If I lived closer I'd go back. Anyone who does live close enough should take him up on his invitation to show you the system first hand. I doubt you'd regret it.

Nice post. I think you understand Hal's systems very well.

I've highlighted what I think are the "takehome points".

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Nice post. I think you understand Hal's systems very well.
pj
chgo

Thanks. I'm only referring to this one pivot system though. I don't know much about his others.
I think it is valuable, but not foolproof.
Here's a visual 3-page sequence of why adjustments have to be made. For some reason the first page may not show up until you click to change pages:

CueTable Help

 
Here's a simple one.
Imagine the cueball hitting the object ball.
Freeze, do they line up to the hole when they collide?
:rolleyes:
 
Roadkill said:
Most players use variations of two basic aiming methods, Rifle Aim (cue under dominant eye) or Center Aim (cue under chin).

The most important thing is to shoot the shots using the same aim/alignment since the brain takes a "picture" of each shot.

In order for the picture to playback correctly, your body needs to be in the same position as the recorded version. Regardless of which aiming method is used, it's important to remain consistent for this reason.


If this "two basic aiming" is true, please explain how Keith McCready aims....SPF=randyg
 
Hal Houles aiming method.

I was wondering those of you that use Hal's aiming
method,lets say your cutting a ball to the right,does
the cut angle make a difference where the bridge
hand is place and cuetip before the pivot or is the
cue tip always in the same place?
 
eze said:
I was wondering those of you that use Hal's aiming
method,lets say your cutting a ball to the right,does
the cut angle make a difference where the bridge
hand is place and cuetip before the pivot or is the
cue tip always in the same place?
WHY NOT ASK THE QUESTION OUT RIGHT TO HOULE, THEN YOU WOULD
NOT HAVE TO PUSSY FOOT AROUND THE BUSH.
 
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Why Not Ask The Question Out Right To Houle, Then You Would Not Have To Pussy Foot Around The Bush.

Hal Houle
 
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9ball said:
Just curious, If you came up with an aiming system or technique, That was absolutely great in pocketing balls from all over the table, and was both easy for beginners and advance players to use once they were taught.
Would you devulge it to others? Now I know many of you don`t believe in systems and thats ok! But what if I had a way to seriously help your game, Should I show it to others? Would you show your secret to other players?

WHAT IS YOUR POINT. YOUR REAL POINT. OR GET OFF THE POT.
 
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eze said:
I was wondering those of you that use Hal's aiming
method,lets say your cutting a ball to the right,does
the cut angle make a difference where the bridge
hand is place and cuetip before the pivot or is the
cue tip always in the same place?
WHY NOT ASK HAL HOULE?
WHY ASK PLAYERS ON THE FORUM. THIS IS HAL HOULE. NOW WHAT?
 
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eze said:
I was wondering those of you that use Hal's aiming
method,lets say your cutting a ball to the right,does
the cut angle make a difference where the bridge
hand is place and cuetip before the pivot or is the
cue tip always in the same place?

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

HAL HOULE
 
I Would Sure Like To See That Picture Of A Brain Shot From Randy G. Make A Ton Of Money On Brain Shots, Thats For Sure.
If The Brain Shots Were All Colors Of The Rainbow, The Sky Is The Limit. Throw Pool Out The Window. Our Futures Are Secure.
Was Getting Bored Stiff Anyway With Pool, Could Not See Any
Purple Brain Rainbows In The Offing. Full Steam Ahead Now.
 
randyg said:
If this "two basic aiming" is true, please explain how Keith McCready aims....SPF=randyg

He probably aims the same way Greenleaf did.
IIRC - and I've only seen Keith play a few times
his head is positioned over the shaft just like everyone else.

Using a side stroke doesn't change where the cue is,
it only changes where your arm is.

Dale
 
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eze said:
I was wondering those of you that use Hal's aiming
method,lets say your cutting a ball to the right,does
the cut angle make a difference where the bridge
hand is place and cuetip before the pivot or is the
cue tip always in the same place?

Sounds like you are trying to aim a shot after you get down to shoot. If this was compared to shooting a gun... it would be like pulling the trigger and then pointing it at the target.

Pocket the ball or miss, you get down on your shot with your mind made. You should know the (or stop guessing) the contact points and all ready know shape for next ball. When you step into the shot, stroking is the only thought that should enter at this point.
 
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