aiming

Patrick Johnson said:
Eliminate all of that (say, by using a robot to do the actual shooting) and just leave the aiming to yourself. Will you never miss? Can you think of anybody who would never miss?

Aiming is inescapably estimation - beginning with the first thing mentioned here: estimating where the contact point is on the object ball. If I stood at the OB and marked the spot you told me to, I'll bet it would be the wrong spot a fair number of times. How could that be if you *know* the right spot?

pj
chgo

I require no system to see the contact point and I am confident that it is correct. Now, I can see your point if you are talking about estimation on "aiming" as in getting the cue lined up to however it must be to hit at a certain speed with a particular spin in order to hit that spot...but even then, I wouldn't consider it inescapable.
 
Lol patrick ya smart ass ;)

Ill say it again Aiming is simple!!! What i was trying to say above was that aiming isnt or does it need to be over complicated. Thats what i say when coaching "dont make things more complicated than they need to be"! Keep things simple and there easier to learn and maintain!

For me aiming Is a simple task within a group of tasks when approaching a table! I will admit i've had problems cueing from time to time like anyone! But In general I have no problem performing the group of tasks to excute a good shot. Lining up a shot is the easy part. The hard part is excuting It! like i said! Thats my personal opinion from my experience.

I give my opinions/advice on issues not for my benefit but to give players possible suggestions that have worked for me that might work for them!

Whether or not your questions above are sarcastic or genuine patrick Ill try and anwser them! (Even if you might rip me too shreds for giving them lol)

The reason we need to practice:

Is Due to how the human body works! we have to keep reminding the brain and muscles how too perform a technique to a high level!! Its called Muscle memory where your brain and muscles remember a squence of events for that specific activity! Even after practice errors can occur after a while as you can without noticing start to perform the activity slightly wrong! (Weird i Know) Then you have to readjust and this is normally with the help of a coach!!

In general If you can develop and practice your technique to a very high standard then you wont miss much! Now your technique could be limited to a degree but with practice can be effective . Sorry to Allan Hopkins but he's the only example i can think of atm to prove you dont need a gr8 cue action(stroke) to pot consistantly! His technique isnt that gr8 but it doesnt need to be for the way he plays in 14-1(thats going on what ive seen him play at 14-1)! Like any pro im sure he's had to work hard to keep where he is. I jus shudder to think what he could do if his technique was better!!!!!!!

Now to answer ya question about missing? reasons for missing can be due to a number of factors: normally attributed to physiological and pyschological reactions of the human body when performing. E.g Muscle twitchs, fatigue, anxiety, over arousal etc etc The list is huge and can go on and on.

I myself normally know as soon as ive hit the cueball, whether ive hit it correctly or not to pot the ball(not talking about miscueing, talking about missing a ball by an inch or less etc). Its like a sixth sense that you gain from years of playing the game. E.g making a length of the table bank and knowing youve made it before the ball is sank.

Neways thats my views for this out of the way

Peace

R114
 
pdcue said:
Once I am down on the ball, I see<visualize> exactly where I need to hit
the OB.

Dale

FWIW, this has always been my way of aiming as well. It seems to work very well.
 
Lol patrick ya smart ass

Somebody gets me!

What i was trying to say above was that aiming isnt or does it need to be over complicated.

Totally agree. This is a complaint I have with aiming systems in general.

Lining up a shot is the easy part. The hard part is excuting It!

I agree with that too, but I think there's more uncertainty in the lining up part than you think. All the other stuff plays a bigger part, I agree (especially for an experienced player), but lining up isn't certain either, even for a great player. It's just the nature of the beast.


Ditto.

pj
chgo
 
I require no system to see the contact point and I am confident that it is correct.

I invite you to try what I suggested sometime: get down in shooting stance and have somebody mark the object ball where you tell them to (or just tell you if it's correct when they sight down that line toward the pocket). You might be surprised.

By the way, here's a great way to fine-tune your aiming eye: when you practice, shoot for the pocket facings rather than the center of the pocket - call the left or right pocket facing for each shot and see how often you can hit it.

pj
chgo
 
hmm i see your point as I just considered aiming when cueing directly overballs and jumping i definately agree that is nature of the beast! But apart from those aiming is simple :lol:
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I invite you to try what I suggested sometime: get down in shooting stance and have somebody mark the object ball where you tell them to (or just tell you if it's correct when they sight down that line toward the pocket). You might be surprised.

By the way, here's a great way to fine-tune your aiming eye: when you practice, shoot for the pocket facings rather than the center of the pocket - call the left or right pocket facing for each shot and see how often you can hit it.

pj
chgo
There's an easier way to do this: have your assistant use the cue ball and turn the little circle until you tell them it's right.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
So why not explain it here?



"The closed minded" means everybody with whom you refuse to share this knowledge? Did this "us vs. them" attitude toward teaching come from your BCA Master Instructor training?

pj
chgo

Patrick: This is a chat forum not a Pool School. Get on with your life. If you want to learn, come to School.......SPF=randyg
 
randyg said:
Patrick: This is a chat forum not a Pool School. Get on with your life. If you want to learn, come to School.......SPF=randyg

You know, if for once in your BCA lives (not just you randy) you guys would start a thread and actually teach something useful, somebody might actually read it and think, "Hey, that was brilliant! I'm going to go to your pool school and see what else you have to offer!"

But rather, the world may never know. How unfortunate.
 
randyg said:
Patrick: This is a chat forum not a Pool School. Get on with your life. If you want to learn, come to School.......SPF=randyg

Randy, this is a POOL CHAT FORUM, not a chat forum.

There are serious players that come here and share their knowledge, much to the delight of those wishing to learn.

There are beginning players who come here to learn and they do. It would be nice if the BCA instructors shared some of that knowledge here on AZ instead of the teasers to attend your schools. I understand making a living and not wanting to teach your entire course online for free.

Personally I don't think your course can be taught online. While I haven't attended your classes, I am positive that one of the biggest benefits is the observations of a trained instructor as to what the student is actually doing instead of what he is trying to do. That cannot be learned on this forum.

Here's hoping that you on occasion share a drink of water from that deep reservoir of information you have access to, with the very audience that you advertise to free of charge each and every day.

FTR, I am not knocking your school and believe most people would benefit from a multi-day school with a qualified instructor like you and the rest of the BCA instructors. I just think that if you advertise to this audience free of charge, you should on occasion provide detailed explanations of some of the things you teach in school. IMHO, it would only build good will and I doubt it would diminish the demand for your schools.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
Randy, this is a POOL CHAT FORUM, not a chat forum.

There are serious players that come here and share their knowledge, much to the delight of those wishing to learn.

There are beginning players who come here to learn and they do. It would be nice if the BCA instructors shared some of that knowledge here on AZ instead of the teasers to attend your schools. I understand making a living and not wanting to teach your entire course online for free.

Personally I don't think your course can be taught online. While I haven't attended your classes, I am positive that one of the biggest benefits is the observations of a trained instructor as to what the student is actually doing instead of what he is trying to do. That cannot be learned on this forum.

Here's hoping that you on occasion share a drink of water from that deep reservoir of information you have access to, with the very audience that you advertise to free of charge each and every day.

FTR, I am not knocking your school and believe most people would benefit from a multi-day school with a qualified instructor like you and the rest of the BCA instructors. I just think that if you advertise to this audience free of charge, you should on occasion provide detailed explanations of some of the things you teach in school. IMHO, it would only build good will and I doubt it would diminish the demand for your schools.

JoeyA
Tap Tap

Especially the part about building demand for Cue-Tech. Public Relations 101.

pj
chgo
 
Yeah its a forum Mr BCA master instructor but its nice to see people offering their opinions to try and help others without trying too gain financial rewards!!

Respect to JoeyA made some very good points above
 
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Go call up all my posts and you will see some very valuable info published. I wish we could all learn everything by reading, but it ain't so. Some things just have to be done "hands on".

One of the reasons that there are 7 taught aiming methods is that every one learns differently. One man's treasure is......

If this game could be learned from just reading, we would all be World Champions....SPF=randyg
 
Go call up all my posts and you will see some very valuable info published. I wish we could all learn everything by reading, but it ain't so. Some things just have to be done "hands on".

We all know this is true, which is why you needn't be shy about posting what *can* be learned by reading. I think the more you flaunt your knowledge the more students you'll get.

pj
chgo
 
JoeyA said:
It would be nice if the BCA instructors shared some of that knowledge here on AZ instead of the teasers to attend your schools.

Personally I don't think your course can be taught online. While I haven't attended your classes, I am positive that one of the biggest benefits is the observations of a trained instructor as to what the student is actually doing instead of what he is trying to do. That cannot be learned on this forum.

Here's hoping that you on occasion share a drink of water from that deep reservoir of information you have access to, with the very audience that you advertise to free of charge each and every day.

JoeyA

JoeyA...You know for a fact that I have shared a LOT of information here too many times to count, over the past several years. I have also done free clinics at DCC and in Las Vegas during the BCA Nationals. Randyg and I share the same philosophy about learning and teaching pool. He is not reticent in providing "free" information, any more than I am. I have learned much from him, and he has learned from me. We complement each other well when we teach together. The fact is that some posters on here refuse to acknowledge some information, and only want to argue about it. Neither he nor I am interested in that...although I'll be the first to admit that I get into these "discussions" more often than not.

The ignorance and argumentative nature of some posters is what holds the best instructors and pro players from offering advice here. I don't have to name names, but I'm sure you can figure out who these argumentative posters are...they ALWAYS show up whenever there's information posted that they just HAVE to disagree with. None of our instructors have ever said that we preach the 'gospel' (or gospool, in this circustance...thanks Freddie! :D ), and we've never insisted that you must follow our philosophy or advice...whether paid for or not.

We know for a fact that our style of communicating learning techniques works. We have literally thousands of students who have learned from these techniques and improved their pool games (some more than others). I'd have to accurately state that there isn't even an average of 1 out of 100 students who have been 'dissatisfied', or couldn't make the program work for them... provided that they practiced it the way they were taught. Please don't call Randyg out because he chooses not to argue with people who, simply stated, don't know what they're talking about. I argue enough for the both of us! :eek: :D

As you're aware, almost everybody on the internet is an expert...but the proof is in the pudding. Our students continually come on here (and on other pool forums) unsolicited and make positive comments about their experiences. I have never once refused to tell any 'secrets' about our program or techniques. On the contrary...if you search out my posts, I've laid out the entire program in one way or another, right here, for free. You're right...it's pretty impossible to learn it here or online...at least to the degree that a qualified SPF instructor can show you in person. JMO

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Patrick Johnson said:
We all know this is true, which is why you needn't be shy about posting what *can* be learned by reading. I think the more you flaunt your knowledge the more students you'll get.

pj
chgo

Pat...We have a bucket by the door when you come into pool school. It's where you dump your ego, and your preconceived notions. Without them cluttering up your mind, it's open to accepting new information (we call it 'emptying your cup'). It's up to you whether or not to believe or utilize it. But if your mind is made up, or CLOSED, you're incapable of even HEARING new information. FTR, we have as many students as we can work with...still, more come looking for us year after year!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Scott Lee said:
Pat...We have a bucket by the door when you come into pool school. It's where you dump your ego, and your preconceived notions. Without them cluttering up your mind, it's open to accepting new information (we call it 'emptying your cup'). It's up to you whether or not to believe or utilize it. But if your mind is made up, or CLOSED, you're incapable of even HEARING new information. FTR, we have as many students as we can work with...still, more come looking for us year after year!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Bucket?!?...hell, for pool players, you need a dumptruck!:D

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating." ---Henry Glapthorne III

Jeff Livingston
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I guess that's where we differ. I think it's both and want to share what we know here.



Mom?



Thanks, and I'm sure your school is great (really), but I'm not interested in any "secret" systems.

pj
chgo

PJ in Chicago,

I rarely call out someone in public, however, I will make an exception. All your bs about aiming is a replay of RSB forums. Me thinks you are all talk and zero action Mr. PJ from Chicago....

Based upon your posts, you have a strong opinion on aiming. I think you crave attention on this forum and want to try to show everyone what an aiming expert you are. I think you are full of yourself and are afraid to play. BTW, I work 6 days a week.

I will be in Chicago over the Thanksgiving weekend. YOU HAVE GOT THE 7!~!!!@ Race to 9 in nine ball. Minimum bet is $500. You apparently are an expert. I am calling you out Mr Aiming Expert. After 30 or 40 posts about the same topic let's just check out how important an aiming system really is.

You want to gamble? I sincerely doubt it but would love for you to prove me wrong. Aim this .....
 
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