Alex Pagulayans Stroke.

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hey guys, what kind of stroke would you classify alex's under and some of the more finer details regarding said stroke. he seems to have a very straight and leveled cue from start to finish. i just started shooting pool and i think he has a very beautiful and solid fundamentals and was wondering if i could take anything away from it.

things like,

grip type

grip placement

how the fingers/grip should feel on pull back

ideal cue balance and weight for his type of stroke

stance and form

thanks you guys.

Benny
 
miragez said:
hey guys, what kind of stroke would you classify alex's under and some of the more finer details regarding said stroke. he seems to have a very straight and leveled cue from start to finish. i just started shooting pool and i think he has a very beautiful and solid fundamentals and was wondering if i could take anything away from it.

things like,

grip type

grip placement

how the fingers/grip should feel on pull back

ideal cue balance and weight for his type of stroke

stance and form

thanks you guys.

Benny
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Watch snooker players you will find plenty of straight strokes there

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"he seems to have a very straight and leveled cue from start to finish. "

I would classify it as such.

Here is a good description of Alex's stroke. Starts at about 6:10
https://youtu.be/eqoJiwpSbYo?t=6m8s

I've tried many strokes and for me swinging the right hand from the elbow only like a pendulum is the best.
I actually don't even ease up on my grip on the back side of the stroke. Some players do and it works fine but I prefer not to.
So I grip the cue with thumb, index, middle, ring and pinky and they stay on the cue throughout the stroke.
But the grip is very soft....think of the butter in the fridge thing.
This works well for me and I never have to change my stroke regardless of power. Using a wrapless helps a LOT.....(for me).
Used use index and middle against thumb but had to always change the grip on the more powerful strokes.
This is one system that works the same on all the strokes from soft to break and has in my opinion helped my game.
That being said there are some truly amazing players who have a very 'busy' stroke arm.
Bustamante, Imonen, and others come to mind.
 
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I like how you said wrap less....I was basically forced to switch to diff cue recently and it's got a wrap....

I've got a got dam slip stroke with it and it pisses me off alot....bout to go get my darn penrise drain


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greyghost said:
I like how you said wrap less....I was basically forced to switch to diff cue recently and it's got a wrap....

I've got a got dam slip stroke with it and it pisses me off alot....bout to go get my darn penrise drain


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LOL....I can't play with wrapped cues any more.
Leather or linen.
Borrowed a friend's expensive linen wrapped cue the other day and I gave it back to him and picked up a house cue.
 
I don't know if Alex was kidding or not, but on TAR he was asked if he played 3 or more balls ahead, and he said no. Hard to believe. Johnnyt
 
The mechanics of a good, effective stroke cannot be learned by observing..Nor can it be taught, any more than you can teach someone how to shoot straight!.. There are dozens of very good pool players, and golfers who look horrible. (ie; Hopkins, Busty, Jim Furyk, Arnie) But they have succeeded in making their 'less than ideal' methods work very well for them!

Nothing wrong with trying to emulate someone you admire, especially as a beginner ..But remember, we are not all built alike, and we are all wired differently, as far as our brain and muscle memory communicate.. The sooner you find your comfort zone, and your stroke, the sooner you will reach your maximum potential!
 
for a snooker style form and stroke what kind of cue balance and taper is recommended? or is all of that subjective?
 
SJDinPHX said:
The mechanics of a good, effective stroke cannot be learned by observing..Nor can it be taught, any more than you can teach someone how to shoot straight!.. There are dozens of very good pool players, and golfers who look horrible. (ie; Hopkins, Busty, Jim Furyk, Arnie) But they have succeeded in making their 'less than ideal' methods work very well for them!

Nothing wrong with trying to emulate someone you admire, especially as a beginner ..But remember, we are not all built alike, and we are all wired differently, as far as our brain and muscle memory communicate.. The sooner you find your comfort zone, and your stroke, the sooner you will reach your maximum potential!
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cool thanks for the advice.
 
Hey Miragez

If I could suggest a few other pros to also watch for solid fundamentals

1. John Morra
2. Thorsten Hohmann
3. Mika immonen

Hope it helps


Take care
 
SJDinPHX said:
The mechanics of a good, effective stroke cannot be learned by observing..Nor can it be taught, any more than you can teach someone how to shoot straight!.. There are dozens of very good pool players, and golfers who look horrible. (ie; Hopkins, Busty, Jim Furyk, Arnie) But they have succeeded in making their 'less than ideal' methods work very well for them!

Nothing wrong with trying to emulate someone you admire, especially as a beginner ..But remember, we are not all built alike, and we are all wired differently, as far as our brain and muscle memory communicate.. The sooner you find your comfort zone, and your stroke, the sooner you will reach your maximum potential!
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Shazam!!!!
No magic pill, practice practice practice, and once you think you got it, practice some more!!!!
 
miragez said:
for a snooker style form and stroke what kind of cue balance and taper is recommended? or is all of that subjective?
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Subjective and this is how I play. And I use many diff cues esp as of late.... Doesn't really matter bud.

-greyghost


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SJDinPHX said:
The mechanics of a good, effective stroke cannot be learned by observing..Nor can it be taught, any more than you can teach someone how to shoot straight!.. There are dozens of very good pool players, and golfers who look horrible. (ie; Hopkins, Busty, Jim Furyk, Arnie) But they have succeeded in making their 'less than ideal' methods work very well for them!

Nothing wrong with trying to emulate someone you admire, especially as a beginner ..But remember, we are not all built alike, and we are all wired differently, as far as our brain and muscle memory communicate.. The sooner you find your comfort zone, and your stroke, the sooner you will reach your maximum potential!
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Good strokes can be and are taught , numerous examples especially in snooker ,,
Same in golf ,, yes thier are a few examples that differ from the norm but the numer is very small

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one stroke said:
Good strokes can be and are taught , numerous examples especially in snooker ,,
Same in golf ,, yes thier are a few examples that differ from the norm but the numer is very small
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We are on completely different wave lengths, sir!..Anyone can be "taught or shown" how to hold a pool cue, or swing a golf club!..But once a person is shown how, only their individual aptitude can take them any further..Been that way since the first father taught his son how to throw a spear..And the number of sons, that did't "get it" has always been HUGE!..Otherwise, we'd all be champions! :eek:
 
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Dimeball said:
Shazam!!!!
No magic pill, practice practice practice, and once you think you got it, practice some more!!!!
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Thank you (I think)..But practicing by itself, will not get it..The only way to improve dramatically, (IMO) is to regularly compete in quality tournaments, or high $$$ action!..That is the quickest way to determine if you are going to become an SVB, an AlexP. or a 'D player' like Cocobola Cowboy!..:thumbup:
 
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