All 150 Players to Orlando

kissin a$$

iusedtoberich said:
So far it seems that only the non-IPT members are making a big deal out of this mandatory meeting. You wont hear a peep of complaint from the 150 who are members because they are afraid if they do speak their mind, they will be kicked off of the tour. Lets not forget, this isnt a normal OPEN pool tourny- its KT,s baby and if your face doesnt fit you are out and there is nothing you can do about it. The players in the IPT have no rights. They are completely at the mercy of KT,s whims.
The truth is, the only ones who are blindly singing the praises of, and cannot find one single thing wrong with the IPT are those who have a financial interest in it or hope to have one in the future.
I dont find it reasonable to expect someone to from China or Australia to HAVE to attend an event that they are not even playing in.
Was this the original deal?
Were they told this when they applied?
 Although it may not be the most convenient thing, it makes perfect sense for all members to be at the first event, for all of the reasons already listed in this thread.

I'd like to add that backers are a dime a dozen. A player that is truly financially burdened by this trip will be able to easily find a backer. Every top local player and better knows this, as they often have backers for all of their high stakes action anyway. What a load of rubbish!
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Wonder what the next surprise from the IPT is?

G
 
queasy

breakup said:
Remember when he was taking applications and the deadline was firm “No matter who you are” and then he may have given preference to early applicants. He is obviously trying to do something to weed out the irresponsible irresponsible???????and select the more professional players available. By-in-large if someone is unable to make it to Orlando for a meeting that has huge potential to change their lives then maybe they don’t handle their personal affairs well enough to be considered a good representative.Are you mad? If he is ever going to make money on this venture he will be selling the entertainment value of it and he must be looking for some particular characteristics for the actors. actors???????????????????????????????There is no doubt that there was more than just who played the best pool as far as who made the first cut.If the IPT isnt about who is the best pool player, WTF is it about? I always thought that the whole point of having tournaments was to find out who is the best player.
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So that statement from the IPT about 'it doesnt matter who you are' is BS? It does matter, is that what you are saying?

G [ This whole thread is crazy.]
 
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Sweet Marissa said:
I think it makes sense explain pleasefor everyone to meet before the start of the tour. And what better place than the Invitational?
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If it was so important that these players be there, they would have been invited, not ordered to be there. KT has billions apparently, why doesnt he pay their expenses. For him its pocket change!
Since your dramatic U-Turn on the IPT, I have difficulty believing anything you say on this matter.

G....wonder what that brown spot is on the end of M,s nose. :p
 
Gabber said:
If it was so important that these players be there, they would have been invited, not ordered to be there. KT has billions apparently, why doesnt he pay their expenses. For him its pocket change!
Since your dramatic U-Turn on the IPT, I have difficulty believing anything you say on this matter.
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I've never made it a secret that I support the idea of the IPT. My only concern was KT's motives and past, which he has already covered on his website and in numerous interviews. He's even hired a top marketing firm to enhance the tour. It looks to me like he's doing his best at insuring this tour lasts.

As for everyone's presence requested in Orlando: Rules and specifics are going to have to be laid out and discussed, and I'm sure more than a few people will have questions. This is also a great way for everyone to meet KT beforehand, as well as the other people on the tour.
 
Gabber said:
So that statement from the IPT about 'it doesnt matter who you are' is BS? It does matter, is that what you are saying?

G [ This whole thread is crazy.]
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irresponsible???????

Yes the pool world is chock full of irresponsible over sleeping, chronically late for everything cry babie premadonas. I’m just guessing he is sending a message that won’t fly there.

Are you mad?

no

actors???????????????????????????????

Like it or not it’s show biz

If the IPT isnt about who is the best pool player, WTF is it about? I always thought that the whole point of having tournaments was to find out who is the best player.

That is not what I said, reread the post


So that statement from the IPT about 'it doesn’t matter who you are' is BS? It does matter, is that what you are saying?

Huh?


I was quoting the website when they indicated that the deadline was firm to submit an application no matter who you are
 
Geez

breakup said:
irresponsible???????

Yes the pool world is chock full of irresponsible over sleeping, chronically late for everything cry babie premadonas. I’m just guessing he is sending a message that won’t fly So I guess Earl S and Ronnie O shouldnt even bother coming!

Are you mad?

no

actors???????????????????????????????

Like it or not it’s show biz. No it isnt show bizz!!??? What ever gave you that idea? Show bizz is Desperate Housewifes and Mega Make over- this is pool. Its a sport. It might be entertainment but its not show bizz.

If the IPT isnt about who is the best pool player, WTF is it about? I always thought that the whole point of having tournaments was to find out who is the best player.

That is not what I said, reread the post


So that statement from the IPT about 'it doesn’t matter who you are' is BS? It does matter, is that what you are saying?

Huh?


I was quoting the website when they indicated that the deadline was firm to submit an application no matter who you are
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You said it yourself [ read your own post] ,that KT was weeding out the undesirables. That says that the idea given ,ie first come first served ,is not true!

Gabber
 
Mmmmm

Sweet Marissa said:
s for everyone's presence requested in Orlando: Rules and specifics are going to have to be laid out and discussed,
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Do you know something we dont? Is this for sure or are you just guessing?

Gabber.
 
Gabber said:
Do you know something we dont? Is this for sure or are you just guessing?

Gabber.
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Yes, we are indeed instructed via email, that we need to attend a player's meeting at 5 pm on the 29th and not leave until the 5th and are expected to attend matches. The player's meeting will cover rules and all questions. We will have official portraits and action shots done and members of the press/tv crews may want to interview us during our stay.

We were also given a dress code, so you will see players dressed at least in a sport coat. Those men not playing may even be wearing ties. Women will be dressed in dressy clothes as well. He says "a player can't overdress - think Sinatra hanging out in a casino."

Linda
 
Rich R. said:
The players, in the sports you mentioned, are all being paid, and paid well, to be there on game day.
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I knew when I made the post that this was going to be brought up but I didn't have the time to go over it when I made the post. We have to start from somewhere and for the pool world, that somewhere is the bottom. I would love to see the day that pro pool players were at every pro event & paid for it. As it is right now... all the players on the IPT are required to be there. To stay or to go... you really have both options. If you opt to go, you have to pay to go. If you opt to not go, then you lose your spot & the person on the alternate list that did go, will get your spot. Everyone has a choice. KT is trying to sell pool. Period, no if's, ands, or but's about it. The IPT tour is what he's trying to sell & the 150 pool players are what makes that tour. It wouldn't make a very good impression if only the 43 & maybe 10 or 20 other players were there out of the 150 when the inaugural event goes down with the press there taking pics & doing interviews. You can't sell the product if the product isn't there for the customer to see.
 
Timberly said:
I knew when I made the post that this was going to be brought up but I didn't have the time to go over it when I made the post. We have to start from somewhere and for the pool world, that somewhere is the bottom. I would love to see the day that pro pool players were at every pro event & paid for it. As it is right now... all the players on the IPT are required to be there. To stay or to go... you really have both options. If you opt to go, you have to pay to go. If you opt to not go, then you lose your spot & the person on the alternate list that did go, will get your spot. Everyone has a choice. KT is trying to sell pool. Period, no if's, ands, or but's about it. The IPT tour is what he's trying to sell & the 150 pool players are what makes that tour. It wouldn't make a very good impression if only the 43 & maybe 10 or 20 other players were there out of the 150 when the inaugural event goes down with the press there taking pics & doing interviews. You can't sell the product if the product isn't there for the customer to see.
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Just to set the record straight - NOWHERE does it say players who don't show up forfeit their spots. I imagine a printed program is already being published with all 150 original selected players...we sent in our bios and pictures a while back. Someone surmised that players would lose their spots and then it took on a life of it's own from there. Maybe they will and maybe there will be fines as well (might make travel costs look better and better!), but as of now, we just don't know. If I hear anything else, I will be sure to let you know, assuming it is not confidential.

Linda
 
If I was one of the selected I would view this as a great opportunity. A great chance to network. To meet some VIPs who really are VIPs in the world of business and are part of the upper crust. In other words friends of KT. People who travel in his crowd.

Hey, maybe one of them might like you and want to adopt you. As in be your sponsor and fly you around in his/her little airplane. Be surprised how many people have planes around here.
 
rackmsuckr said:
Just to set the record straight - NOWHERE does it say players who don't show up forfeit their spots. I imagine a printed program is already being published with all 150 original selected players...we sent in our bios and pictures a while back. Someone surmised that players would lose their spots and then it took on a life of it's own from there. Maybe they will and maybe there will be fines as well (might make travel costs look better and better!), but as of now, we just don't know. If I hear anything else, I will be sure to let you know, assuming it is not confidential.

Linda
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I stand corrected. Deno states in another thread to use our imagination if a player does not show up. Mandatory is mandatory.
 
rackmsuckr said:
Just to set the record straight - NOWHERE does it say players who don't show up forfeit their spots.

(snip)

Someone surmised that players would lose their spots and then it took on a life of it's own from there.

Linda
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Thanks, I saw that & ASSumed ( :p ) that was the case. However, if I am to use my imagination.... If I were to venture a guess... considering the fact that KT picked most of the 150 from the early entrants due to it showing their desire to be on the tour...I'd throw a lil vcash bet on that person losing their spot to an alternate. Of course, that's just a guess. ;)
 
Colin Colenso said:
I don't mind speaking on this matter openly and honestly.

I've no right to complain about being offered this fantastic opportunity. I just better work my ass off and make the best of it :D
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That comment reflects your good insight & judgement
:cool:
 
vagabond said:
That comment reflects your good insight & judgement
:cool:
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:D Well said Vagabond :p
Fact is I and most other IPT players are expendible, replaceable.

Sure, I wish I had guaranteed 10k per tourney and flights on a magic carpet to a 7 star hotel all expenses paid, but it all comes down to cost : benefit ratio and supply and demand.

I've spent a lot of time and money on the game in my past as have most applicants for the IPT. I've risked $300 for a chance at $2,000 and $3,000 for a chance at $160,000 when the odds of getting a favorable return was low.

And here is a chance where if I win just a few matches I can can realize a substantial profit and risk losing a relatively small amount.

I can see clearly this is probably a once in a lifetime opportunity...would be silly to ask/beg/demand more from the hand has generously come forth to feed the game and the IPT selected members.

I've posted several times on this board in the past about what I think the sport needs to develop, and what KT is doing is what I suggested and hoped for to bring growth. A marketing media saavy entrepreneur.

Frankly I care more that he succeeds than I make my fortune as a player. I'm very happy to have the chance to be involved and to support an experiment that could set the path for pool's development as a high profile sport.
 
..why doesnt anyone from the IPT post? Players > Youre just workers for his company. Thats not empowerment. Do this, do that.
 
suprise

AuntyDan said:
If I am understanding it correctly, all players in the 150 selected will win a minimum of approx. $6K for just showing up and placing last in the first Open event (NOT the Invitational). Therefore, even if it costs them a few thousand to go to Orlando for the intiation ceremony (I can hear them practicing "Thank you Mr. Trudau, may I please have another" now) they will still be quids in once the first Open is played. That is, of course, assuming it DOES get played.
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For some reason i got the same impression!

From the IPT website.

"How many players get paid in each tournament?

Answer:
For the 2006 season, the first two events will be limited to 150 IPT players, with the exception of any player who can not make the event, or drops out and is replaced by a sponsor exemption. The bottom line is there will be only 150 players in the first two events. Seventy-five players miss the cut and do not get a paycheck; the other 75 are in the pay line. The complete payouts are on the IPT website www.internationalpooltour.com."

I still cant find the payouts!

Gabber.....so 50% of the players will get zilch! :eek:
 
Gabber said:
For some reason i got the same impression!

From the IPT website.

"How many players get paid in each tournament?

Answer:
For the 2006 season, the first two events will be limited to 150 IPT players, with the exception of any player who can not make the event, or drops out and is replaced by a sponsor exemption. The bottom line is there will be only 150 players in the first two events. Seventy-five players miss the cut and do not get a paycheck; the other 75 are in the pay line. The complete payouts are on the IPT website www.internationalpooltour.com."

I still cant find the payouts!

Gabber.....so 50% of the players will get zilch! :eek:
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Gabber, do you have any idea how pool tournaments currently work? 90% of the tournaments around pay 33% - 25% of the field. The WPBA pays to 48th place in a 64 person tournament but the payout barely covers costs up to 25th place. 16 people go home with nothing.

Paying 50% of the field is generous and it rewards those who make it throught the qualifiers. That is why this is a tournament and not employment. If were employment as you like to suggest then each employee would have to be paid. As it is however, the participants are free to participate or not.

John
 
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