Almost Cried Last Night

Zphix said:
I won't get into my personal choices about how I decided on who is a friend or not but after all of this he's certainly not somebody that I want to be around. Friends come and go and I always choose to separate myself from toxic relationships, this is no exception.

Also, I don't know about you but when somebody starting "throwing around a pool cue" as I mentioned he was doing in my post I consider that pretty dangerous to the people around. I don't mean he knocked it onto the ground, I mean he was pretty much whipping it all over. Grabbing it by the shaft and throwing it - could he have hit me, or my friend, or broken any number of things in the basement, yeah? It was a pretty obvious choice to subdue him because martial arts are also used to subdue hostility, especially in such close proximity.

As for my Karate teacher - I will explain what happened to him as I had planned to already.
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Yes, of course. You mentioned how annoyed you were about a pretty cue being smashed and now it becomes you were actually looking out for the safety of others at the time :rolleyes:

Yes, being young also means defending your bad actions. I don't much care who you're friends with, but if breaking one cue is the cut off point, you were really not a friend of his to begin with.

You need to grow up a little. Now would be a good time to start.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
So, you chose to use violence against a friend of yours because he was legally destroying his own property that was non of your business, correct?

You chose an inanimate object over your friend?

The smart thing to have done was made an offer on the broken cue, got if fixed, and then flipped it on Ebay or AZB.

Friends can be forever, cues not so much. You're young, but if you want a life lesson, call him and apologize and beg his forgiveness and explain how out of line you were. Yeah, he's a bad sport, but that does not need violence, it only needs a "dude, relax it's only a game" type moment.

And being a 4th degree black belt, you must have forgotten martial arts are used for self defense, not to be used when you are annoyed. You should also pick up the phone and call your Karate instructor and apologize to him as well.
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This....
ChicagoRJ said:
Yes, of course. You mentioned how annoyed you were about a pretty cue being smashed and now it becomes you were actually looking out for the safety of others at the time :rolleyes:

Yes, being young also means defending your bad actions. I don't much care who you're friends with, but if breaking one cue is the cut off point, you were really not a friend of his to begin with.

You need to grow up a little. Now would be a good time to start.
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........and THIS!!! :D
 
Well now...

I know advice is hard to take from strangers, but here it is. Don't hang around idiots who can't control their temper and emotions, your 4th degree karate should of taught you that. Don't go "hands on" unless you are defending a loved one or you know the law is behind you. A degree in any thing don't mean squat if some one decides to put 4 lbs. of pressure on a trigger. If your actions would of escalated the situation and the law was involved you would be retaining an attorney as the DA would be looking hard at you. One may survive a criminal investigation only to be financially ruined by a civil suit. You really need to believe what I am saying.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Yes, of course. You mentioned how annoyed you were about a pretty cue being smashed and now it becomes you were actually looking out for the safety of others at the time :rolleyes:

Yes, being young also means defending your bad actions. I don't much care who you're friends with, but if breaking one cue is the cut off point, you were really not a friend of his to begin with.

You need to grow up a little. Now would be a good time to start.
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You're completely right.
 
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Looking back on it - I was wrong for what I did because I acted abruptly and rashly.... not using the Karate I learned to benefit anyone because he was whipping the cue around.

While I am usually calm and logical in situations like this - this time was an exception because I acted just as rashly as he did without even trying my hardest to first calm him down by talking. It was definitely a mistake on my part and one I shall bear in mind should further incidents like this happen.

I actually disagree with violence and using martial arts to hurt people but I completely faltered in a moment of emotional instability and I shall repent as a martial artist.
 
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As my Grandma used to say, "Don't love anything that can't love you back."

Save your love for people and dogs. Everything else is just stuff.
 
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ChicagoRJ said:
Yes, of course. You mentioned how annoyed you were about a pretty cue being smashed and now it becomes you were actually looking out for the safety of others at the time :rolleyes:

Yes, being young also means defending your bad actions. I don't much care who you're friends with, but if breaking one cue is the cut off point, you were really not a friend of his to begin with.

You need to grow up a little. Now would be a good time to start.
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I'm not going for this, RJ.
The cue breaker was a guest in a private home showing no respect.
The kid didn't put him in the hospital...he stopped the nonsense.

When you enter another one's home, take your shoes off.
 
I play once a week with my neighbor. He plays with a cheap mcdermott and he's always banging the thing around on the wooden rails, not because he's mad or anything i think he's just clumsy or just doesnt care while i cringe every single time he bangs it.

I have 1 custom cue that i had made for myself a little over 17 years ago and it still looks as beautiful and ding free as it was on the day i received it...lol. I have 4 cues and whether its worth $100 or $2000 i treat them all well.
 
Zphix said:
Looking back on it - I was wrong for what I did because I acted abruptly and rashly.... not using the Karate I learned to benefit anyone because he was whipping the cue around.

While I am usually calm and logical in situations like this - this time was an exception because I acted just as rashly as he did without even trying my hardest to first calm him down by talking. It was definitely a mistake on my part and one I shall bear in mind should further incidents like this happen.

I actually disagree with violence and using martial arts to hurt people but I completely faltered in a moment of emotional instability and I shall repent as a martial artist.
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Don't sweat it. You're a good kid and when I was 19 I probably would have done something stupider. (did, in fact) And so would the other people posting in this thread. They are speaking from experience and experience comes (mostly) from bad decisions. Trust me. From our brief time playing pool I could tell you're a calm person with a good head on your shoulders and the ability to think before you act.

You saw the situation, thought about what to do and then did what you thought was right. Even though you say you acted rashly I think you still made a decision, just a quick one :). And you learned from it. You didn't hurt anyone, you possibly saved a friends home from damage. Make a note and move on.

If the rager friend is worth his salt eventually he'll cool down a bit and you guys can have a heart to heart about it and both man up. If not, he's not worth the aggravation to be around.
 
our_auctionguy said:
One retired poolroom owner in Denver owned his own import business and imported cheap Chinese made cues that looked like high dollar cues untill you really checked them out. He would play bar table for $100-500 races and if he was losing, he would throw a tantrum and take the cue to the front door and sling it as far as he could over the cars out into the parking lot, then go into the office and grab another cue. All of it was an act to unnerve the winning player and it often worked. He would come back and the other guy would lose his concetration waiting for another outburst and end up on losing the race.

Maybe your deep pockets buddy picked up one of those shark tactics because he could afford it...
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That's pretty funny. Gives a whole other meaning to the term "Break Cue." I think I *might* know who that was.

One time I was playing Leroy at Tournaments in Commerce City and he got so mad he slammed his cue on the side rail and the shaft splintered into pieces. One of the women watching (Cordie) said "Hey, that's my cue!". Apparently he was playing with a cue he borrowed from her.

So anyway, Terry (the owner) tells him that if he needs to break a cue he can go in the back and grab a house cue from the ones that are being repaired or warped or whatever and break one of those. He'll only charge him $10/cue. Breaking his good cues was getting pretty expensive for Leroy.

A few weeks later, Leroy is playing someone else and he starts to lose it. He looks over at Terry and quietly puts his cue down and walks to the back room where all the cues are. We hear a hell of a commotion. Bashing, banging, splintering etc... Leroy walks out, calmly as you please, hands Terry $200 and says: "I broke all them f****ers." LOL
 
For what it's worth

For what is worth, Zphix came to our Chicago get together and was very reserved, calm, passive and respectful of all who attended. I described him as a gentle giant when I wrote about the event in that thread. Give this kid the benefit of the doubt on this one. Hine site is 20/20.
 
A player of some repute came to my house several years ago. I gave him a spare bedroom to sleep in and even put a few dollars in his account so he could play low stakes poker online. In the evenings we would practice a little One Pocket and he was definitely a better player than me. But it was just for fun or maybe dinner.

This was before I had a Gold Crown or a Diamond in here and my table then was a Gibson, a modern day replica of an Anniversary table. It was a beautiful table but it just didn't play as well as a tournament tough table. This player frequently complained about how the table was playing, mumbling about bad rails, roll-offs and just about anything and everything. This would come after almost any missed shot.

After a couple of days of listening to his whining I got sick of it and told him to knock it off. I had heard more than enough about the bad deal I got on this table, so he could shut up already. I guess he didn't get the message because a few minutes later he starts up again, moaning about my bad table. I deposited him on the floor abruptly, much to his shock and surprise. From there he could get the message, I let him know he had shot his last shot on my pool table and he could pack up and get out - NOW!

I've seen him since and he has never said a word about our last encounter.

P.S. I don't even want to tell you what Mark Tadd did to my beautiful one of a kind Starkey cue. Mark's a decent guy but he is a cue abuser of the highest order. And it wasn't even his cue. I was not a happy camper when I finally got my cue back. Mark was not the player I talked about above though. He was always a gentleman in my home.
 
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pt109 said:
I'm not going for this, RJ.
The cue breaker was a guest in a private home showing no respect.
The kid didn't put him in the hospital...he stopped the nonsense.

When you enter another one's home, take your shoes off.
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And the OP was a guest in a private home as well. That "fight" could have escalated easily. He was more concerned about the "pretty cue" being damaged... he said it, I did not. And it appears he has recognized his minor mistake, as we all had them
at 19 ;)
 
IMHO age or karate has nothing to do with it. They were at a house to
have a good time until the other friend started acting like a idiot.
Even if its his cue doesnt give him the right to ruin everyone elses night.
Friend or not, if a guy has to be restrained from being a fool and freaking
out, so be it. The guy should of been more respectful to the other party's
present.
I think the OP was in the right for doing what he did before it got past
that line of no return.
 
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