Am I too much a purist???

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Is it just me or does it seem like the whole CNC thing is making people LAZY. I have seen many a pointed cue RUINED by rounded inlays. I am sorry, but I have just seen two titleists which have POINTS, have the flow of the cue interrupted by radius'es or radiia's or as I like to say multiple roundness. This for those who failed geometry.. diamonds, rectangles and squares have FOUR edges when shown in 2d. When you radius them you now have 8 surfaces. Blunts are for smoking, not for inlays. In fact now I think I'll refer to pointed cues with round inlays as cues suffering from blunt force trauma, or BFT cues.
Slotted diamonds, same thing. It's admirable that you are adopting the look, but running a round cutter in to pocket the diamonds for the slots is lazy..

JMHO..

JV
 
i completely agree. i'd rather have no inlays than CNC.

-s

//can't you take a chisel and square out the pockets?
 
I agree, too, Joe.....rounded inlay shapes that should and could be sharp is a quick way to ruin a good Titlist....and anything else for that matter imho. Don't know about your acronym, though....'BFT' makes me think of something else altogether.
 
Cnc

I feel like a beautiful piece of wood or sharp pointed cue can be cheapened by CNC inlays. I do feel disgust when I see "speartips" or other inlay forms that are well rounded. That doesn't mean I'm against CNC. The cue Dave Jacoby just finished for me is CNC...I chose inlays that would not suffer for the blunt radius though. To me, gunsights are for the purists.

Also, I have to say some cuemakers have elevated the CNC to new levels. Paul Drexler made a box cue with mitered veneers that was CNC. I was fooled.

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To clarify, it's not really the 'CNC' that's the culprit....but likely the cutter bit size and lack of going back in and manually sharpening the corners that create the 'blunt force trauma'. This can also easily be accomplished on a pantograph if a) you don't really know what you're doing with the stylus/bit set up, b) are just lazy, or C) don't care....or even the maverick scenario here of d) you genuinely like the look of a diamond with round edges. :)
 
Drawman623 said:
I feel like a beautiful piece of wood or sharp pointed cue can be cheapened by CNC inlays. I do feel disgust when I see "speartips" or other inlay forms that are well rounded. That doesn't mean I'm against CNC. The cue Dave Jacoby just finished for me is CNC...I chose inlays that would not suffer for the blunt radius though. To me, gunsights are for the purists.

Also, I have to say some cuemakers have elevated the CNC to new levels. Paul Drexler made a box cue with mitered veneers that was CNC. I was fooled.
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Nice insights and super attractive box cue, Gian !!
 
steev said:
i completely agree. i'd rather have no inlays than CNC.

-s

//can't you take a chisel and square out the pockets?
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Why is that? Can you tell the difference when the cue is finished if it's CNC or not CNC?

Here's a test on some cues I've made:

1. CNC or Not CNC?

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2. CNC or Not CNC?

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3. CNC or Not CNC?

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4. CNC or Not CNC?

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5. CNC or Not CNC?

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Very nice cues Tony. I am gunna guess, WHO CARES! By this I mean these all look great , and let's face it, the end result is what matters, right? Great looking gallery of hard work either way they got there. KUDOS!
 
Am I too much of a purist???

I don't care if you use a cnc/panograph drill and fill or even a dremel. If you can make the points sharp, that's all that's matters. I'd put money on the fact that Palmer, Gus or George would be updating their equipment if they were still sucking wood dust. The only inlay that should have round ends are ovals or circles IMO.
Personally I don't think it's any easier to do good cnc work than it is to do good panograph work. Neither is true free hand work. It all comes down to execution and basic design.
Come on you so called master cuemakers, lets sharpen up those exacto knifes. Ok, at least let's forget the 1/16 end mills for a while.
 
steev said:
i completely agree. i'd rather have no inlays than CNC.

-s

//can't you take a chisel and square out the pockets?
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Agreed. The only thing I want to be round...is the cue itself. Everything else ...I want razor goddam edges.
 
I'm going to guess they've all had some CNC use. Just a hunch. By the way...that butt with the "snowflakes" in it...is amazing. That's a godawful amount of detail and work. Good job brother.

Tony Zinzola said:
Why is that? Can you tell the difference when the cue is finished if it's CNC or not CNC?

Here's a test on some cues I've made:

1. CNC or Not CNC?

07-21-08-003.jpg


2. CNC or Not CNC?

02-17-08-003.jpg


3. CNC or Not CNC?

03-05-08-004.jpg


4. CNC or Not CNC?

07-31-08-003.jpg


5. CNC or Not CNC?

07-12-08-001.jpg
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I agree that is is not the fault of the CNC. This is also not a matter of CNC vs panto vs chisel.

This is the difference that makes a cue maker great. Execution of design.
 
Tony Zinzola said:
Why is that? Can you tell the difference when the cue is finished if it's CNC or not CNC?

Here's a test on some cues I've made:[/IMG]
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Just for the helluvit

1. Both CNC & non CNC
2. Non CNC
3. Non CNC
4. Could be both but I think non CNC
5. Same as 4

Looking at arms length and not being able to tell why would it matter.
 
Tony Zinzola said:
Why is that? Can you tell the difference when the cue is finished if it's CNC or not CNC?

Here's a test on some cues I've made:


3. CNC or Not CNC?

03-05-08-004.jpg



5. CNC or Not CNC?

07-12-08-001.jpg
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Clever: all inlays are against ebony backgrounds...that makes it tough on the finished cues but still easy to see on the unfinished cues. My guess:

The 3rd cue is CNC. You've created a sharp appearance with black epoxy at the spear tips.

The diamonds in the last cue are non CNC. Clearly, however, with all those dots, there could be elements of CNC in all cues.
 
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Drawman623 said:
Clever: all inlays are against ebony backgrounds...that makes it tough on the finished cues but still easy to see on the unfinished cues. My guess:

The 3rd cue is CNC. You've created a sharp appearance with black epoxy at the spear tips.

The diamonds in the last cue are non CNC. Clearly, however, with all those dots, there could be elements of CNC in all cues.
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Wrong.

Just for some information, any unfinished cues showing have no filler. Only 1 cue is 100% CNC. One is 1/2 and 1/2 and the rest are none.
 
steev said:
i completely agree. i'd rather have no inlays than CNC.

-s

//can't you take a chisel and square out the pockets?
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I apologize. When i said CNC here, I meant 'improperly finished CNC', as in rounded corners on inlays and 'points'.

to each his own, though.

-s
 
Tony,
I am gonna guess #1 CNC
2, 3 and 4 NOT CNC
And #5 half and half.
By the way all are really nice work.
 
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