Am I too much a purist???

cutter said:
I know this post was about sharp vs rounded inlays. But, I'd like to digress a little bit. What seems to be the big hang up on cnc vs pantograph. A pantograph doesn't make sharp tips nor does the cnc. A .032 or .020 0r .010 cutter all have a radius. Doesn't matter what is moving them. A Stepper/servo motor following a numeric program, or a mechanical arm following a template. How would you categorize a pantograph using a template that was cut on a cnc machine. I'm just wondering because I've heard some buyers bad mouth cnc, but rave about pantograph cues.
In the case of Tony's very nice cues, who cares how he cut the pockets.
They are sharp, and they are a nice well executed design. Is his work diminished because some of it is cnc vs pantograph.
I don't think some people understand how a pantograph really works.
Hey but I've had 5 cups of coffee and the caffeine level is way up there.
Gotta go take a v spliced forearm out of the mill, oh oh, I used a power feed to move the bed, is that no no.
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JOE AND I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS TOPIC.....

AS LONG AS IT'S SHARP IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW IT'S CUT.

WE BOTH HAVE BUSINESS DEALINGS WITH GUYS THAT USE CNC, BUT NOT WITH GUYS THAT LEAVE EVERYTHING ROUNDED. IT'S JUST A SIGN OF LAZINESS, AND IN MY OPINION, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT MID LEVEL CUES SUFFER. AND ALSO WHY ALOT OF THE MID TIER GUYS ALL BLEND TOGETHER.

IF CNC IS USED TO PUSH THE LIMITS OF CUEMAKING, AND TO DO THINGS THAT AREN'T POSSIBLE WITH A PANTO, THAN I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT. BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT CNC SHOULD BE USED AS A SHORTCUT.

THESE ARE JUST MY FEELINGS, AND I FEEL JOE HAS THE SAME OPINIONS.
 
Rounded or Sharp????

That is the question...

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Thats the best part of the cnc debate.. "I use it to push the limits of cuemaking" c'mon.. how about pushing the limit a little more and sharpen the inlays. I guess that is not pushing the limit.

Steve, it's not cnc yes or no, it's do I have the hand eye coordination to finish the pocket or am I going to lose a digit.. :)

CNC has it's place, no debate there. But I always wonder how good a cue you'll get, if a certain few cuemakers all lost their motherboards. IMHO I think there would be very few who could survive that.

The other thing..while all cuemakers are moaning there are to many of us, then you need to start pointing the finger at all the cheap machinery advertised in the cue making industry. This is what I find perplexing.. instead of making money building a good cue, SOME people will focus not on their cuemaking skills, but the skill to put themselves and others out of business to turn a buck. It's a funny way of doing business. IMHO.

JV
 
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Jamie,
Thats hard to tell because as you and I both know the camera can make sharp inlays appear to be rounded just based on resolution. I recognize some of the cues there and some are rounded, a few done by very traditional cuemakers. Were they lazy.. hell yes.

JV
 
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GLAD YOU USED THE PICS OF MY CUES, AND BROUGHT A DIRECT CUEMAKER INTO QUESTION.

1. STANDARD TIFFANY DIAMOND. NO NOT SUPER SHARP. HIS ROUNDED SIDE TIFFANY DIAMONDS AREN'T POINTED. (ROUND SIDES, ROUND TIPS) HIS FLAT SIDED DIAMONDS ARE SHARP AT THE TIPS.

2. ROUNDED. IS A VERY EARLY INLAID CUE ALL DONE BY HAND.

3. SHARP

4. SHARP ON THE EDGES THAT WERE TO BE SHARP. THE INLAY WAS DESIGNED TO BE ROUNDED IN THE CENTER.

5. ROUNDED.


SO, DID YOU THINK I WOULDN'T KNOW THEY WERE MY CUES? OR DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE CUES? OR DID YOU THINK I WOULD BACK OFF, BECAUSE YOU DID THIS?

I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS, REGARDING THE CUES YOU CROPPED THE PICS OF WITH THE CUEMAKERS. I FEEL THEY SHOULD BE SHARP, HE HAD REASONS NOT TO.

SO WHAT WAS YOUR POINT OF DOING THIS?
 
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Since nobody is going to answer my questions regarding what makes it so obvious that the diamonds in cue #5 were done without the use of CNC I will answer the question.

Nothing.

All the inlays on the 5th cue were done on my lathe with a proxxon hand tool except the Diamonds. They were done on the CNC. This photo was taken before a final sand and finish, but I probably did hit the butt of the cue with sandpaper quick before I took the picture. There is no black epoxy in that cue. I was going to go in and fill in any place that needed it prior to finishing, but there weren't any. I should have photos of 1 & 5 finished with wraps sometime early next week.

I was going to put some inlays in the Purple Heart too, but decided against it. I'm not sure I'm ready to hide the glue lines that are certain to appear in the Purple Heart.

That cue was the first cue I have used a CNC for. Two months ago, I didn't have a clue how to use a CAD program.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
GLAD YOU USED THE PICS OF MY CUES, AND BROUGHT A DIRECT CUEMAKER INTO QUESTION.

1. STANDARD TIFFANY DIAMOND. NO NOT SUPER SHARP

2. ROUNDED. IS A VERY EARLY INLAID CUE

3. SHARP

4. SHARP ON THE EDGES THAT WERE TO BE SHARP. THE INLAY WAS DESIGNED TO BE ROUNDED IN THE CENTER.

5. ROUNDED.


SO, DID YOU THINK I WOULDN'T KNOW THEY WERE MY CUES? OR DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE CUES? OR DID YOU THINK I WOULD BACK OFF, BECAUSE YOU DID THIS?

I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS, REGARDING THE CUES YOU CROPPED THE PICS OF WITH THE CUEMAKERS. I FEEL THEY SHOULD BE SHARP, HE HAD REASONS NOT TO.

SO WHAT WAS YOUR POINT OF DOING THIS?
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I thought #3 was rounded in the slots. The outside edges are sharp, and the photo could be a bit deceiving, but the inside notches looked rounded to me.
 
hangemhigh said:
I thought #3 was rounded in the slots. The outside edges are sharp, and the photo could be a bit deceiving, but the inside notches looked rounded to me.
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SHARP.... I HAVE THE CUE IN HAND.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
GLAD YOU USED THE PICS OF MY CUES, AND BROUGHT A DIRECT CUEMAKER INTO QUESTION.

1. STANDARD TIFFANY DIAMOND. NO NOT SUPER SHARP

2. ROUNDED. IS A VERY EARLY INLAID CUE

3. SHARP

4. SHARP ON THE EDGES THAT WERE TO BE SHARP. THE INLAY WAS DESIGNED TO BE ROUNDED IN THE CENTER.

5. ROUNDED.


SO, DID YOU THINK I WOULDN'T KNOW THEY WERE MY CUES? OR DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE CUES? OR DID YOU THINK I WOULD BACK OFF, BECAUSE YOU DID THIS?

I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS, REGARDING THE CUES YOU CROPPED THE PICS OF WITH THE CUEMAKERS. I FEEL THEY SHOULD BE SHARP, HE HAD REASONS NOT TO.

SO WHAT WAS YOUR POINT OF DOING THIS?
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Just asking the simple question...that is all. I knew you would know they were your cues. I think it is all one cuemaker though isn't it?

FWIW...I have no problem with any of the inlays I attached.
 
Worminator said:
Just asking the simple question...that is all. I knew you would know they were your cues. I think it is all one cuemaker though isn't it?

FWIW...I have no problem with any of the inlays I attached.
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IT'S TWO CUEMAKERS....THE PETE'S HAVE BEEN BUILDING CUES TOGETHER FOR A LONG TIME.

I DO HAVE ISSUES WITH ONE OF THE CUES, BUT I WAS GIVEN THE REASON WHY IT WAS DONE, AND UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS DONE. ALL INLAYS AND POCKETS WERE CUE BY HAND IN THE CUE.

THE TIFFANY DIAMOND, IS A ROUNDED DIAMOND. THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN OUT OF THAT SHOP (AND MANY OTHER SHOPS), IT'S THE WAY HE LIKES THEM. NOTHING TO DO WITH LAZINESS, IT'S ABOUT PREFERENCE.


I'M STILL CURIOUS AS TO WHY YOU WENT AFTER A SPECIFIC CUEMAKER? WAS SOMETHING SAID THAT BOTHERED YOU? OR DID YOU THINK A CUEMAKER YOU SUPPORT WAS BEING TARGETED?

THIS CONVERSATION WAS GENERAL, UNTIL YOU DID WHAT YOU DID. THERE HAS TO BE A REASON.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
IT'S TWO CUEMAKERS....THE PETE'S HAVE BEEN BUILDING CUES TOGETHER FOR A LONG TIME.

I DO HAVE ISSUES WITH ONE OF THE CUES, BUT I WAS GIVEN THE REASON WHY IT WAS DONE, AND UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS DONE. ALL INLAYS AND POCKETS WERE CUE BY HAND IN THE CUE.

THE TIFFANY DIAMOND, IS A ROUNDED DIAMOND. THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN OUT OF THAT SHOP (AND MANY OTHER SHOPS), IT'S THE WAY HE LIKES THEM. NOTHING TO DO WITH LAZINESS, IT'S ABOUT PREFERENCE.


I'M STILL CURIOUS AS TO WHY YOU WENT AFTER A SPECIFIC CUEMAKER? WAS SOMETHING SAID THAT BOTHERED YOU? OR DID YOU THINK A CUEMAKER YOU SUPPORT WAS BEING TARGETED?

THIS CONVERSATION WAS GENERAL, UNTIL YOU DID WHAT YOU DID. THERE HAS TO BE A REASON.
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I was just curious as to what you viewed as round vs sharp. All you guys know I don't stir the pot on this forum.
 
Worminator said:
I was just curious as to what you viewed as round vs sharp. All you guys know I don't stir the pot on this forum.
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I KNOW YOU NORMALLY DON'T, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING.

SHARP IS SHARP, ROUND IS ROUND. NO GREY LINE WITH ME.
 
I Guess I Should Have Been More Specific In My Opinion.....

Flat(sharp) Sided Inlays, Should Have Sharp Corners

My Biggest Issue Is Cues With Sharp Points Having Rounded Flat Diamonds.

I Also Feel That Cues With Cnc Points, And All Rounded Inlays, Will Never Be In The Same Tier As A Traditional Cue.


None Of My Posts Are Direct At A Cuemaker, That's Why I Used No Names, And Why I Got Offended When A Specific Cuemaker Was Brought Into It.
 
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1 SHARP
2 IS TOO SMALL FOR ME TO SEE
3 ROUND
4 ROUND
5 SMALL, BUT TOP AND BOTTOM LOOK SHAR, AND THE SIDES LOOK ROUNDED.

P.S. I'M OUT...GOING TO GET MESSED UP AT A FAMILY GET TOGETHER.
 
What's really bad is that folks just can't have conversations like these about inlays without someone somewhere getting offended. Especially if it is a dealer offering their opinion on something. **That is a general statement, guys and not specifically related to you guys' exchange in this thread.

Jamie, I think all of yours are sharp (in my book) except #4. The thing on inlays like that is that inner part has to be rounded (where the tip of the black diamond meets the ivory)....it's my understanding there's really no way to accomplish that sharp. Also the red coral may be a little rounded too, but into the black you don't see that as much.

#3 is sharp enough to be considered sharp....at least in my book. Could it be a little keener at the tips, sure, but definitely not what I would consider round.
 
i like this thread, keep it going.....seriously.


I'm ok with rounded diamonds sometimes-depends on the overall look of the cue.

THE SECOND PICTURES OF INLAYS OVERALL LOOKED SHARPER THAN PETES WORK, I JUST GOT A TASC THAT HAS ROUNDED INLAYES IN IT AND I LIKE THEM JUST THE WAY THEY ARE,

I DONT LIKE THAT TOP NOTCHED DIAMOND ON THE TOP OF THOSE PICS I DONT LIKE TH ANGLE OF THE NOTCH, I LIKE THEM 90 DEGREED TO THE SIDE OF THE FLAT SIDE OF THE DIAMOND

OH I'M TYPING IN CAPS I hope Marcus dosent get pissed :) :) ;) :p
 
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