Amazing find, Please help ID

jhanso18

jhanso18

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So a good friend of mine found this VERY unique piece, and has been told by several very reputable sources that they believe this to be an extremely rare BURTAIN SPAIN forearm. Most people are under the impression that he never did 8 point forearms but some old-schoolers know that he did. Upon further looking into this my friend believes this is possible.

I would like to get a hold of Joel Hercek, to see if he can help verify. Does any one on here have his contact info???


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pretty sure that is an old adams cue.. but i am not an expert.. there are many huge adam experts here on the forum that can positively id the model for you if it is...

chris
 
I'm about 85% sure this is NOT an Adams cue. This cue is alot thinner than any Adams cue I've ever held. Also the wrap is different from any Adams I've seen. this is something different for sure.
 
jhanso18 said:
I'm about 85% sure this is NOT an Adams cue. This cue is alot thinner than any Adams cue I've ever held. Also the wrap is different from any Adams I've seen. this is something different for sure.
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Butt sleeve is shoddier looking than Adam also. The wrap doesn't look like Adam work, that's for sure. Looks like an Asian import to me but I'm certainly no expert.
 
Maybe the pictures don't do this justice, but the construction is quite a bit better than the typical import cue I've seen. That was my thought initially, but on further examination, this is something different. I can get more specs this weekend, and hopefully some better pics!
 
jhanso18 said:
Maybe the pictures don't do this justice, but the construction is quite a bit better than the typical import cue I've seen. That was my thought initially, but on further examination, this is something different. I can get more specs this weekend, and hopefully some better pics!
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Lots of Asian import cues, even Taiwan cues, violate people's stereotype. Happens all the time.

I had some of my own out recently to show an "expert". He was absolutely certain they were not Taiwan cues. Questioned my sanity he did. Then I turned them around and showed him the label.

Show us the joint and what is under the bumper please.



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The cue looks almost identical to a Schmelke I bought years ago. Terrible workmanship, but had a nice shaft, unfortunately the joint was pretty unique and it hasn't fit any other cue I have had since. Cut the forearm at the wrap to make a short cue for the house many years ago. Bought it at a pawn shop for $30 but really wanted the case it was in. Still have the case!
 
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This thing had a brass joint on it originally, he doesn't have anymore since dismantling the cue. under the but cap are four visible marks of the lathe chuck, (I'll try and get pics this weekend.) He thought the pin was in the butt, but doesn't remember any more,. He's had for a few years now cue apart.

I'm not at all sure what this is, but the only thing pointing to import is the cracks in the but sleeve that are not present in the forearm. The wrap is surprisingly well done. I'm not ruling out cheap import, but the construction didn't look to be typical cheap import, so I'm trying to help out friend.

All of your guy's help is much appreciated!!! I'm still learning alot about vintage cues, and this one had me stumped. I've emailed Joel to see if he would be interested in looking at it further and I will keep every one posted if by some thin margin my good friend has some wooden gold in his house!


Thanks again,


Justin
 
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Just got an email from Joel. His thoughts are leaning toward Helmstetter. Older one. which is what my first thoughts were.

Joel said Burt never built 8 pointers, Only 6 prong blanks. He didn't care for the looks of an 8 point cue.

I'm a little torn on the Helmstetter theory, but we shall continue to do more work. Pretty sure not a Twain import, but we'll see soon enough.


best,

Justin
 
I have an Asian import from the 70's. Sharp looking cue, same wrap as yours but a different color. It also has a brass pin. Very heavy cue, 24 ounces.
 
see i thought the points reminded me of helmstetter also.. and when i was looking at pictures i saw other similar pointed cues with different inlays.. thats why to me i thought it could be an adams..

chris
 
EightballJunkie said:
Okay, let me rephrase ...it looks very much like an old import. Nothing says otherwise. The uneven miters, pronounced glue lines, tennis grip wrap, and poorly done inlay work all speak to a low cost mass production cue to me.

Edit: On second thought, it's probably a Schemlke :winknudge:

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YEAH!



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