Amazing pool shots from Efren Reyes
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Neil said:
I think he had an awkward angle on the 6--not enough angle to naturally avoid the 9 and go straight up for a shot on the 7, and not enough to draw off the 6 to the end rail and go two cushions for shape on the 7 (which is a bit dangerous because he'll be crossing the line for shape into the bottom corner pocket playing it that way).
If he shoots the force-follow shot and gets over close to the 7 he's got 4 possible pockets for it, so even if he doesn't get to the side cushion and back out above the 7 to make it in the bottom corner pocket he'll at least be close to the 7 and likely still have a pocket for it (unless he gets really unlucky and ends up right on top of it). Even if he bumps the 7 he's likely to have a shot in the side pocket or the opposite corner pocket.
If he shot with right, it would have spun out on the second rail. The left is the reason it died and slid perfectly behind the seven. High Left with a good stroke and a bit of luck.
PinoyRomeo said:
And another one sees the light.
Right english would be running english on this shot, and the shot would look very different in that case. The curve could only take place with a lot of topspin, meaning high english (there's no such thing as low follow, at least with a fairly level cue like Efren used on this shot), and the dying of the CB speed could only occur with a little left english.
-Andrew
JoeyInCali said:I believe it was derived from the gang Sputnik's favorite weapon.
Indian pana'.
It's from the Russian sattelite Sputnik. "around the world."
Andrew Manning said:
For the record, I think you're right. A tad of left with a lot of high (approx 10 o'clock)
is the shot. The left english will reverse itself once it hits the cushion and will make
the CB curve towards the side rail while the top spin will finish the job.
one thing to consider is that was on new Stevens cloth along time ago and it is real slipery when its new and plays different than new Simonis,
i have thought about it and I dont think he intended to land where he did, look at his record, yes he comes with "magic" shots all the time, this is a trick shot that got out of hand and landed good, my first instinct isd he hit the CB around 2. however these kind of shots arnt part of my game and I dont study them so my opinion is weak. What a feel strongly about is he got a roll I jhavent seen him play a trick/stroke shot like that before, typically his trick shots are kick shots or crazy strong safety shots not masse shots.
i have thought about it and I dont think he intended to land where he did, look at his record, yes he comes with "magic" shots all the time, this is a trick shot that got out of hand and landed good, my first instinct isd he hit the CB around 2. however these kind of shots arnt part of my game and I dont study them so my opinion is weak. What a feel strongly about is he got a roll I jhavent seen him play a trick/stroke shot like that before, typically his trick shots are kick shots or crazy strong safety shots not masse shots.
Fatboy said:
I've seen him do these kind of shots a number of times "live", or in person,
many, many moons ago (early 70s). When Efren is goofing around, he will
lay the point of his stick to where he intends the CB to land, he didn't do it
in the video obviously, he will be perceived as a show-off.
I still think he could have been going for the 9 as well, when I tried it, with high right I made the 9... I did stroke the shot a tad bit softer, i played around with that shot for about an hour the other day..
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arian dacongan said:you can never get the result what reyes did on that shot putting all the tops you'll wanna put on the cue ball....
you have to forced-throw the cue ball with a lot of english to achieve that result.....top will never do that...
some tips: ( for those that does not know this shot--this worth to some a lifetime and would never learn this shot)...did you ever remember in your beginners days where you try to draw the cue ball and hit it on the bottom but instead of the Cb going back it went forward...well, it's the same thing only thing is you are deliberately doing it and applying extreme english- either left or right- whichever effect you're trying to achieve...
...yes you can make the cue ball follow even though you seem to be drawing...
Arian, can the shot you are describing be considered, Shooting low, inside
English with stun follow with side English?
Is this a shot where the draw is used up just before it makes contact with the object ball and because of the forward momentum and lack of back spin at contact time that it continues in the direction of applied English and reduced follow?
Thanks,
JoeyA
Fatboy said:
You could be right. I just can't see any other shot he could've been playing that had to be hit with that much force.
For those of you that think it's top right, I urge you to actually try the shot with it. I really think that it's just speculation, and you haven't tried it.
Today I spent another half hour practicing this shot. At the PH I work and play at, we have Simonis 860, about 3 months old. On the back row, we have really rough and thick Championship cloth. I spent 30 minutes doing this shot on both types of cloth. Even on the very slow cloth, with top right you just can't get the cueball to stop behind the 7 like Efren did. With the speed required to get the cueball to arc, it's virtually impossible to get the cueball to stop where it did in the video, because after hitting the 2nd rail, the cueball will take off from the running english.
With center top, the results were obviously much closer than top right. But I got the best results using top with about 1/2 a tip of left english. Seriously, try for yourselves! It can't be top right. If somehow you are able to do this with top right, please post a video, or else this is going to drive me mad. Now I'm hooked on this shot.
Today I spent another half hour practicing this shot. At the PH I work and play at, we have Simonis 860, about 3 months old. On the back row, we have really rough and thick Championship cloth. I spent 30 minutes doing this shot on both types of cloth. Even on the very slow cloth, with top right you just can't get the cueball to stop behind the 7 like Efren did. With the speed required to get the cueball to arc, it's virtually impossible to get the cueball to stop where it did in the video, because after hitting the 2nd rail, the cueball will take off from the running english.
With center top, the results were obviously much closer than top right. But I got the best results using top with about 1/2 a tip of left english. Seriously, try for yourselves! It can't be top right. If somehow you are able to do this with top right, please post a video, or else this is going to drive me mad. Now I'm hooked on this shot.
Fatboy said:
I think Efren is probably the most honest guy out there, he will admit when he get's lucky. If something doesn't go as planned, often he'll scratch his head or make some type of gesture. After this shot he just continued on like he meant it. I'm inclined to believe him on this one.