An Observation About the Game we Love.

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The State of Pool and Billiards
In the Mainstream Sports World
By: Charles Eames

Pool and billiards for years was known as a sport of kings and gentleman. Dating back to its inception in the fifteenth century there have been three main variants of the game. Pocket Billiards, Carom Billiards, and of course Snooker. All cue sports are generally regarded to have evolved into indoor games from outdoor stick-and-ball lawn games such as croquet or golf. Since then the game has evolved greatly into various sub-divisions of each game including nine ball, 14 and 1 Straight Pool, 8 Ball and many many more.

Since those days the game we love has been morphed into a sport of hustlers, degenerate gamblers, and thieves in the eyes of the mainstream sports world. We have been relegated to the idea that pool rooms are dark and dingy places smoke filled with the scum of the earth roaming around searching for their next mark or target. They are places that parents are afraid to let their children go to and a place that laws pertaining to the distance from a school or religious property (church, temple, religious school, etc.) are currently in effect in some states. These are laws that also pertain to strip clubs and we know what so called polite society?s view of those are. Basically its just a different kind of hustler.

Now dear reader you might be saying to yourself that they can?t all be that bad. You yourself may have been inside of a pool room recently with friends or family and are now thinking to yourself hey it was nothing like you are describing now. Well believe me I have been in my fair share of dank dark pool rooms and they deserve the reputation they have gotten. However I have also been in some of the most elaborate, and upscale rooms in the country. Full restaraunts with great food, nice people, and a great ambience all around.

Next is the topic of gambling. Of all of the stereotypes of the game, gambling is by far the largest. That players are gambling away money that would be better used for personal gains such as rent, food, bills and the like. Now herein lies the rub dear reader. One of the newest phenomenons sweeping our nation is poker. It is on television constantly whether on ESPN or the Travel Channel. Even NBC one of the largest broadcasting networks has gotten in on the action. Poker is a game in which gambling is a must. It is the largest staple of the game that you are basing your betting on the quality of your own poker hand or the weakness of your opponent?s. The worlds top players have gained a celebrity the likes of which Tiger Woods would be jealous of. Golf, Football, Baseball, even Soccer all have betting lines in Las Vegas but that is considered to be a legitimate venture. Im not even going to mention horse racing or boxing and the gambling that goes on there. You might be asking yourself how this pertains to pool and billiards but think about it. There is an old joke that more money changes hands on the golf course than the entire New York Stock Exchange. Basically the point of this is that gambling is ok so long as its on the sports that society deems fit.

Pool in general it would appear is going through a renaiscannce. Professional tours with prize money in the tens of thousands, sponsors putting up money for newer and better quipment. Social leagues are also coming into play more than ever with memberships in the hundreds of thousands. Television coverage and fans across the country. Pool rooms popping up in family oriented places such as Dave and Buster?s and Jillians. Much like the Vegas we now know to be a family oriented place, pool is slowly creeping its way back into the minds of people as a sport that can be recognized as a friendly competition between friends, family, and of course a resected opponent.

The point of this little essay while I am sure it could have been written better and thoughts organized more, is that there are those of us who play as gentleman and of course gentlewomen. That we are sportsman and while we may enjoy the occasional gamble on a friendly game with friends or in tournaments, we play for the game. Although it sounds clich? I truly feel that we do it becaseue we love it. We strive to be great, we strive for excellence like in any sport. There are those of us who play with the etiquette and respect our opponents and the game deserve. There are those of us who dream of the bright lights of the final table (and no not poker) and the cameras rolling as our families watch on ESPN.

Just so everyone knows the idea of this was conceived while browsing through the magazine section of my local Barnes and Nobles. While they carry instructional books regarding the game on how to play and the rules. There is not one magazine dedicated to the subject. From my own research I have found there are over ten publications about pool and or billiards. Magazines following current events and trends in the game and what not. When I asked the manager about this travesty he said that the corporation deemed pool an unfit topic to have a magazine about stocked in their store. This of course was said while we were standing in front of every handgun, shotgun, hunting rifle, and knife magazine known to man.

While browsing I came across five different magazines about poker or gambling one of which entitled Slot Player. I guess slot machines are ok for our children to learn about in Barnes and Nobles. Perhaps it has something to do with the math aspect. Learning win loss ratios or statistics and number variances.

Now I know I didn?t articulate all of the issues and opinions regarding this topic. I know that what was said here today could have been better said and better laid out but it has gotten to the point that I simply could not take it anymore.

I look forward to any and all opinions and responses.
 
Thank You

Thanks it just came to me I got so sick of not seeing someone like john schmidt and his over 400 straight pool run on the nightly sports news meanwhile Arod runs around in circles and hits a ball with a much bigger stick than us and hes a freakin millionaire.
 
Hey, couldnt you pick on someone who isnt a NY Yankee.


If you are going to pick on anyone, pick on Mr. Woods
 
Trust me Ive met the man and ive played poker with the man and hes a toolbox. Now David Hasslehoff now theres a class act.
 
Let's not make this an argument on who is worse in what sport. I Think it was a great thing that you wrote, and i totally agree with you... if enuf of us feel this way maybe we can make the difference!!!
 
cant wait to hear more of your thoughts, and many others here on the forums..

Keep up the good work

I Gave you some Rep for your post
 
After reviewing my original post i forgot to mention the lack of pepsi reebok nike and others as corporate sponsors in the pool world. I would love to see johnny archer or alison fisher gulp down a gatorade in front of the cameras.
 
IMO From what i have seen, alison couldnt be bothered with any of that. she is above all of that.
 
Thanks for the read. You shouldn't put yourself down so much, it scans well. Your main observations seem to be that:-

1. Pool has over successive generations acquired a seedy image which is at least partly deserved.

2. There are modern pool halls and wholesome pool playing communities which are inreasingly trying to help shake off that image.

3. Pool is currently experiencing a renaissance with increased sponsored tourneys and increased numbers of televised pool fans etc.

4. Most small and all major non-billiard related commercial ventures and companies do not want their brand name associated with pool.




For what it's worth this prompts the following thoughts re each point:-

1. Indisputable.

2. This may be so....but number 4 suggests it isn't yet having any significant effect on perceptions of pool within the general public and commercial organisations.

3. The content of posts from pool industry personnel and professional/tournament players in these columns would suggest that there might be significant disagreement with your views regarding the renaissance being experienced, unless only amateur leagues and 'social' pool is being considered......and even then various submissions by people such as room owners to these columns would suggest some likely disagreement with that also.

On a numbers basis only it shouldn't be difficult to for pool to increase it's television fan 'count' given that these numbers are historically pitifully low to start with, but not sure where your evidence of a large number of fans across the country is coming from.

One of the most spectacular pool ventures in history folded quite recently and the bottom line reason for the failure, when you cut through all the diversionary chaff and do not get sidetracked by the personalities involved etc, was a lack of sufficient interest from pool players, fans, the general public and potential sponsors to make it viable.

4. Indisputable.
 
#4-maybe You're Right

memikey said:
Thanks for the read. You shouldn't put yourself down so much, it scans well. Your main observations seem to be that:-

1. Pool has over successive generations acquired a seedy image which is at least partly deserved.

2. There are modern pool halls and wholesome pool playing communities which are inreasingly trying to help shake off that image.

3. Pool is currently experiencing a renaissance with increased sponsored tourneys and increased numbers of televised pool fans etc.

4. Most small and all major non-billiard related commercial ventures and companies do not want their brand name associated with pool.


Can we add that the incentive to continue to invest the money needed to promote, advertise, package and create significant value in this 'branded' product collapsed when potential buyers ran into global internet gaming regulatory obstacles that blew the likely future sale of this franchise out of the water? Maybe it wasn't lack of interest in the pool community that led to IPT's demise but rather the fact that it couldn't be sold off for profit to the right people who would take it to another level. I think it was a good idea that was well received that lost momentum and funding. It was an investment that didn't work out. KT lost his buyer and pulled up.

JMO

3railkick
 
stevekur1 said:
IMO From what i have seen, alison couldnt be bothered with any of that. she is above all of that.

Why would you say that?
When I was running the ladies florida tour 10 years ago I approached many sponsors outside of the billiard industry to sponsor the tour and no one would support us. Why would you think Alison couldn't be bothered to be sponsored. I think she would. It is the outsiders that do not want to be aligned with our sportl....
Further more Alison is a class act.
 
Actually shes not a class act I met her at valley forge this year and she was ruder than any celebrity i have ever encountered. Perhaps in tournament mode she is because she has to represent herself that way maybe but when i went up to her booth at valley forge she was extremely rude which is suprising considering she was trying to sell herself and her line of cues and equipment.
 
Sums it up pretty well.

I would only suggest adding something about how pool is portrayed in the movies and TV...I think it has a lot to do with the "perception" of pool in general.


However...I am not even sure that society in general is against that portrayal anymore...

Look at the movie Rounders.....Although the main character tried to play "straight up"...so to speak...he was surrounded by hustlers and sharks...The poker boom came shortly after that movie.

Now the new movie 21 is out...From the previews, it looks as if it is going to portray a shady side of blackjack, card counting, and the gaming "underworld".....Yet it is the #1 movie right now and probably will do nothing but add to the stigma of going to Vegas and playing 21...I suspect it will create a new breed of people that will think that they can become "card counters" ...

It is quite interesting to me that society can't seem to get past the "hustle" related to pool, yet society will not only get past but embrace poker...even after the mob tied, police corruption tied seedy underground of New York poker was exposed...so romantically in the movie Rounders.
 
ForumGhost516 said:
Actually shes not a class act I met her at valley forge this year and she was ruder than any celebrity i have ever encountered. Perhaps in tournament mode she is because she has to represent herself that way maybe but when i went up to her booth at valley forge she was extremely rude which is suprising considering she was trying to sell herself and her line of cues and equipment.

I'm really sorry that happened to you. I have had many interactions with her and she was not like that. But, I understand how you feel. It only takes one bad day for people to get an impression. I have a similar story for another pro but, will let that dog lie.
I do think she would be happy to be sponsored by any company outside of the industry provided they were a good fit.
 
Gambling

It is true pool is viewed differently than other sports. Even though most have gambling either as a part of it or that you can bet on. If you went into your local card room you will see lots of players gambling. I'd be willing to bet that if you saw most of them in a bar or pool room and asked to play for something they would say no. Hell most would be taken aback that you even asked. They would view it as something bad. The same people however have no problem losing a few hundred at the poker table. Just an observation.
 
storke said:
It is true pool is viewed differently than other sports. Even though most have gambling either as a part of it or that you can bet on. If you went into your local card room you will see lots of players gambling. I'd be willing to bet that if you saw most of them in a bar or pool room and asked to play for something they would say no. Hell most would be taken aback that you even asked. They would view it as something bad. The same people however have no problem losing a few hundred at the poker table. Just an observation.
What your saying may be true, but I know a LOT of gamblers and they would bet on anything. I heard one guy betting with another as to whether the sun would shine the next day.
 
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