If I spent the time to explain every aspect of it to you....you'd be wanting to buy in trust me, I'm just not selling right now....I have reasons, same reason I won't just spill the beans here on AZB.
An open conversation on what pool in North America needs and can support.
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If I spent the time to explain every aspect of it to you....you'd be wanting to buy in trust me, I'm just not selling right now....I have reasons, same reason I won't just spill the beans here on AZB.
Trust me when I say, if I don't explain it.....no one's going to figure it out on their own, it's to far out of the box for anyone to believe, but it's a real road map to straightening out this sport, and making the top players millions of $$$
I think you have to actually successfully market something before you can pat yourself on the back about your marketing skill. The greatest marketing plan in the world is meaningless and valueless unless there is some way to get from here to there. And so far we are still here, not there.
I bet the guys who have tried before thought they had a great plan as well.
Fans. Non-player fans.
I watch a lot of global cue sports and the spectators at events in the US are almost all male, mostly younger. Probably 95% of them play - and probably pretty seriously for amateurs.
Watch a snooker video at the Crucible and when they pan the audience you see much more of a cross section of the population. Old, young, male, female - lots of folks you would have a hard time imagining playing.
Watch a 3C match in Korea or even Europe. All ages, both sexes, also probably a significant number of non-players.
Non-player fans are the way to get money into the pool world. Any approach that does not focus on creating non-player fans is just moving money around within the pool world. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, IMO.
Well, my plan is unlike any other plan some one else has thought of, because if my plan was ever done in the past....pool wouldn't be the same as it is today.
Which is exactly why nebulous discussions of it do nothing to prove or disprove your marketing prowess. This is not a knock on you per se, but claiming that you have demonstrated marketing expertise because of an untried plan that may never be tried seems a little . . . presumptuous. Usually marketing plans have to actually be put into place and work before we can hail the skills of the marketer.
People came to think you are in the very top class of table mechanics because they saw your work, not because you talked about it. NOW, when you talk about tables you rightfully have a tremendous amount of credibility BECAUSE enough folks have seen and played on your work. But you EARNED that credibility with your work.
Hey, if your plan ends up rescuing pool I'll be one of the first to give you mad props for it.
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Now that's what I call a Jump Shot!
In my plans, as well as a self sustaining....and growing income base. People don't realize most of what's needed to pull pool together world wide, already exists and is in place, it just needs to be organized and coordinated to work together. Professional pool players can be identified all over the world without them having to travel whether they're in Moscow, Bangladesh, Manila, Beijing, or anywhere else on this planet. When they DO come together, it's the top 64 or 128 players on the planet, and they're ALL paid a minimum, even in their first round loss. But, I know....there's some plan out there that's going to work....all everyone has to do is keep running around the inside of that box, and I'm sure someday someone will catch something, but will it be in my lifetime....LOL....No!
I'll ask the same question here that I asked in the Fargo thread.
My problem is this, in Golf playing 72 holes, there's golfers that can post under par scores, and golfers that the only way they can get an under par score is if they wrote it down on a piece of paper. On that basis, if 10,000 golfers played the same 72 holes, and only for example purposes....only 64 players were able to post under par scores....would it be fair to say, THOSE 64 golfers who posted the under par scores are the best 64 golfers in the world....at that moment?
In Bowling, if 10,000 bowlers bowled 10 games each and was allowed to throw out the 5 worst game scores and pick the 5 best scores to keep, and only 64 bowlers posted a total pin count of 1490-1500, with 1500 being 5 games with a perfect score of 300 each....would it be fair to say....THOSE 64 bowlers at that moment.....are the best bowlers on the planet?
If in ANY sport of skill, there IS a way of identifying the top 64 at ANY thing, world wide....is it NOT a safe assumption that you have with confidence....identified the best of the best? I'm NOT talking about ones ability to perform under pressure against some one else, I'm just talking about the ability to perform a specific task better than anyone else in the world as to identify the top 64 in the world at a specific task.
My problem is this, in Golf playing 72 holes, there's golfers that can post under par scores, and golfers that the only way they can get an under par score is if they wrote it down on a piece of paper. On that basis, if 10,000 golfers played the same 72 holes, and only for example purposes....only 64 players were able to post under par scores....would it be fair to say, THOSE 64 golfers who posted the under par scores are the best 64 golfers in the world....at that moment?
In Bowling, if 10,000 bowlers bowled 10 games each and was allowed to throw out the 5 worst game scores and pick the 5 best scores to keep, and only 64 bowlers posted a total pin count of 1490-1500, with 1500 being 5 games with a perfect score of 300 each....would it be fair to say....THOSE 64 bowlers at that moment.....are the best bowlers on the planet?
If in ANY sport of skill, there IS a way of identifying the top 64 at ANY thing, world wide....is it NOT a safe assumption that you have with confidence....identified the best of the best? I'm NOT talking about ones ability to perform under pressure against some one else, I'm just talking about the ability to perform a specific task better than anyone else in the world as to identify the top 64 in the world at a specific task.
haven't read thru the entire thread. Problem I see with most of these fix pool ideas or start a pro tour is what is the pro tour bringing to the table? Have to be able to offer something to people who are going to be putting up money.
Pool is a poor spectator sport (unless you really like to watch pool). No casual person is going to sit down and watch a pool tournament. One tournament takes many hours to watch. Streams don't have the professional cut-a-ways like golf does where you are always jumping from action to action.
Best chance I see, is for pro players to bring a compelling argument to the APA. They need to be able to commit to helping them grow their business for a financial trade off.
APA has their magazine they send out (2-4 times a year). What better way to introduce players to an established group of people who play pool weekly. Pros could be tied to cities/regions as regional state tourneys and create tournaments based on region, and add a pro tournament to the annual Vegas tourneys (singles/teams). Start small and show there's interest. If people sort of know a player they'd be more likely to tune in an watch.
I've met plenty of people who have played pool a long time but don't care about pro pool, even some that never heard of Efren :shrug:
Pool is a poor spectator sport (unless you really like to watch pool). No casual person is going to sit down and watch a pool tournament. One tournament takes many hours to watch. Streams don't have the professional cut-a-ways like golf does where you are always jumping from action to action.
Best chance I see, is for pro players to bring a compelling argument to the APA. They need to be able to commit to helping them grow their business for a financial trade off.
APA has their magazine they send out (2-4 times a year). What better way to introduce players to an established group of people who play pool weekly. Pros could be tied to cities/regions as regional state tourneys and create tournaments based on region, and add a pro tournament to the annual Vegas tourneys (singles/teams). Start small and show there's interest. If people sort of know a player they'd be more likely to tune in an watch.
I've met plenty of people who have played pool a long time but don't care about pro pool, even some that never heard of Efren :shrug:
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Just for fun last week I told an APA player that Shane Van Boehning won the U S Open for the 5th time and he said oh who is that? I just grinned.
Pool is a success for Pool Leagues and its a minor success for room owners. Anything that gets done ought to help room owners without them there is no pool.
Just for fun last week I told an APA player that Shane Van Boehning won the U S Open for the 5th time and he said oh who is that? I just grinned.
Pool is a success for Pool Leagues and its a minor success for room owners. Anything that gets done ought to help room owners without them there is no pool.
And YOU know my plans INCLUDE room owners all over the world! You also know my plans include involving all participating room owners on the business board of directors giving them a 49% vote involving pool participation in their regions of the world, as well as the world as a whole.
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