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duke@neo.rr.com

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tell me...why can this guy charge SO much for his cues? yeah...he makes a nice cue, but so do alot of other cue-makers who don't get as much. even used ones fetch top dollar! what is it, like $375 for a b/j now? I contacted sean from "cueaddicts" a few days ago about the purple heart cue they have had of his since 3/05, and he says that $970 is the best they could do. :eek: I know the weight is 18.9oz, but that's pretty close to 19 which is what I use anyways. I know the guy has made cues since 89', but his prices are almost up there with scruggs who's been doing this alot longer. I just can't believe his cues are worth that much. I guess I should have kept the one I sold to SkippyFL, as I can't see spending that much money on a cue. when I bought it, I paid $775 I guess...which is alot of money there. no inlays, just 4 points, and a couple trim rings. this baffles me
 
duke@neo.rr.com said:
tell me...why can this guy charge SO much for his cues? yeah...he makes a nice cue, but so do alot of other cue-makers who don't get as much. even used ones fetch top dollar!
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Do you really want someone to tell you? It's Economics 101. Andy's work has gotten to the point where he has to and can charge a certain price. It has nothing to do with comparing his work to any other cuemaker, past or present. That would be dumb.

Fred
 
I thought you were trying to sell all/part of your cues and almost "getting out." Now you're worried about someone elses prices again. Which direction are you going?
 
Well, let's see. I have a Stinger J/B, and a Predator BK. Both are excellent break cues. Friday AZB'er Steev came over and let me hit a couple with his Andy Gilbert J/B and it had an extraordinary hit; to me probably a little better than my 2 options.

Seems to me the price is about right.
 
Williebetmore said:
Well, let's see. I have a Stinger J/B, and a Predator BK. Both are excellent break cues. Friday AZB'er Steev came over and let me hit a couple with his Andy Gilbert J/B and it had an extraordinary hit; to me probably a little better than my 2 options.

Seems to me the price is about right.
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when u go thru dealers .you pay more ..or didn't u know that ..
 
duke@neo.rr.com said:
tell me...why can this guy charge SO much for his cues? yeah...he makes a nice cue, but so do alot of other cue-makers who don't get as much. even used ones fetch top dollar! what is it, like $375 for a b/j now? I contacted sean from "cueaddicts" a few days ago about the purple heart cue they have had of his since 3/05, and he says that $970 is the best they could do. :eek: I know the weight is 18.9oz, but that's pretty close to 19 which is what I use anyways. I know the guy has made cues since 89', but his prices are almost up there with scruggs who's been doing this alot longer. I just can't believe his cues are worth that much. I guess I should have kept the one I sold to SkippyFL, as I can't see spending that much money on a cue. when I bought it, I paid $775 I guess...which is alot of money there. no inlays, just 4 points, and a couple trim rings. this baffles me
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Hey Jeff,

Nice talking with you this weekend. This is a very perplexing post, though. :confused:

Even after a few price increases in the last 3 years, Andy's cues are nowhere near the likes of Scruggs or Mottey (let's say as examples). His cues are basically right at half their cost. Andy has paid his dues as a cuemaker and is still underpriced IMO.

Sean
 
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duke@neo.rr.com said:
tell me...why can this guy charge SO much for his cues? yeah...he makes a nice cue, but so do alot of other cue-makers who don't get as much. even used ones fetch top dollar! what is it, like $375 for a b/j now? I contacted sean from "cueaddicts" a few days ago about the purple heart cue they have had of his since 3/05, and he says that $970 is the best they could do. :eek: I know the weight is 18.9oz, but that's pretty close to 19 which is what I use anyways. I know the guy has made cues since 89', but his prices are almost up there with scruggs who's been doing this alot longer. I just can't believe his cues are worth that much. I guess I should have kept the one I sold to SkippyFL, as I can't see spending that much money on a cue. when I bought it, I paid $775 I guess...which is alot of money there. no inlays, just 4 points, and a couple trim rings. this baffles me
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Andys prices are a steal.............every gilbert i own is worth more than what i paid for it. I always get offers on gilbert cues that i own. Not to mention they all play great!! Andy makes one great cue for the money.
Cuaddicts prices may be more towards the retail side of the pricing scale......however i hear nothing but great things about dealing with them and they sell alot of cues. Wich to me means alot of satisfied customers. you should just call andy up an he will break the whole price of the cue down.
 
duke@neo.rr.com said:
tell me...why can this guy charge SO much for his cues? yeah...he makes a nice cue, but so do alot of other cue-makers who don't get as much. even used ones fetch top dollar! what is it, like $375 for a b/j now? I contacted sean from "cueaddicts" a few days ago about the purple heart cue they have had of his since 3/05, and he says that $970 is the best they could do. :eek: I know the weight is 18.9oz, but that's pretty close to 19 which is what I use anyways. I know the guy has made cues since 89', but his prices are almost up there with scruggs who's been doing this alot longer. I just can't believe his cues are worth that much. I guess I should have kept the one I sold to SkippyFL, as I can't see spending that much money on a cue. when I bought it, I paid $775 I guess...which is alot of money there. no inlays, just 4 points, and a couple trim rings. this baffles me
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He charges a fair price for a good product as does Tim Scruggs.If you want a cheaper cue why not just buy one rather than question a cuemakers business practices? Mike S.
 
bells said:
Andys prices are a steal.............every gilbert i own is worth more than what i paid for it. I always get offers on gilbert cues that i own. Not to mention they all play great!! Andy makes one great cue for the money.
Cuaddicts prices may be more towards the retail side of the pricing scale......however i hear nothing but great things about dealing with them and they sell alot of cues. Wich to me means alot of satisfied customers. you should just call andy up an he will break the whole price of the cue down.
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This brings up a good point that some people just don't get. A cue dealer's price should be "toward the retail side of the pricing scale", as you call it. Buyers, too, should appreciate that...that is if you want to protect your investment. We do not dump or wholesale Andy's cues. When a so-called cue dealer does this....everyone had better watch out. It's a bad situation for eveyone involved. The cuemaker loses his reputation and dealer/retail price structure and more importantly the buyer suddenly has a cue worth far less in the secondary market. I can think of a few very good examples of this happening....and they are cues that appeared in the "devalued" thread a few weeks ago.

Andy's cues are still an enigma. Many, many that we have sold over the past few years for retail ended up changing hands again on the secondary market for $100-$200 more that the original buyer paid. I'm no rocket-scientist but that tells me a few things....that a lot of people think he does great work and as many people also think, they are underpriced.
 
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cueaddicts said:
This brings up a good point that some people just don't get. A cue dealer's price should be "toward the retail side of the pricing scale", as you call it. Buyers, too, should appreciate that...that is if you want to protect your investment. We do not dump or wholesale Andy's cues. When a so-called cue dealer does this....everyone had better watch out. It's a bad situation for eveyone involved. The cuemaker loses his reputation and dealer/retail price structure and more importantly the buyer suddenly has a cue worth far less in the secondary market. I can think of a few very good examples of this happening....and they are cues that appeared in the "devalued" thread a few weeks ago.

I'm not saying his cues aren't good, because I did have one and liked the hit. I'm just saying his pricing has gotten imo a little out of hand. he makes a nice cue, but to think they're "undervalued"...well, I don't think so. not knocking him for making money doing it, or you guys for doing the same thing. I'm just asking why his cues are able to go up in value so much and others have only gone up a little bit and play just as well. hey...those who can, do...I guess
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You honestly think his pricing is out of hand?!?! How the hell have you come up with that?

Seriously, his pricing is probably more inline, or even undervalued, than most other cuemakers that exist! His reputation and "resell-ability" is probably the best out there for what he charges...

I'm looking to have a new design made and have sent it out to a few different cuemakers, Andy being one of them. He was the lowest. The average price that I got back was $1400, Andy's was only $950. You cannot beat his pricing by a longshot, so I HIGHLY disagree with your opinion.

-Ross
 
duke@neo.rr.com said:
I'm just asking why his cues are able to go up in value so much and others have only gone up a little bit and play just as well.
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Because he priced them too cheaply for so long and the market is on the way to catching up with what his FMV should be.
 

I'm not saying his cues aren't good, because I did have one and liked the hit. I'm just saying his pricing has gotten imo a little out of hand. he makes a nice cue, but to think they're "undervalued"...well, I don't think so. not knocking him for making money doing it, or you guys for doing the same thing. I'm just asking why his cues are able to go up in value so much and others have only gone up a little bit and play just as well. hey...those who can, do...I guess
It's called law of supply and demand.
 
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about 2 yrs ago i ran into Jeff Hoeksma who deals Gilberts, at a tournament and he had several of his cues with him. And he had a plain PurpleHeart with white wrap with him and was selling it for 375$ which if i had the $$ at the time would have bought the cue.

375$ for one of Gilberts JB cues it a steal, because i know several guys who use them also for a playing cue too. Because they hit the same. So if you look at it that way, for 375$ you have a DAMN NICE CUE!!!!!!!!

dave
 
Would say that Andy's cues are an excellent value relative to almost anyone. Beautiful work, excellent playability for a reasonable price IMO.
 
I think part of the problem Jeff is that Andy's J/B cues have finally come up to what they are really worth. They are EXCELLENT playing cues from my understanding, and it is nice to have 1 cue do it all in your case so to speak. It's rare to find a custom cuemakers 375 dollar cue play as good as his 1500+ dollar cue...see what I mean? Even the old Tim Scruggs sneakies bring 700+ and they shoot just as lights out as his now bottom line 1900 dollar cue. The days of finding an Andy Gilbert j/b for 250 are LONG gone I am afraid to say, unless he does something stupid and starts only selling on eBay.
 
im really happy i got my Gilbert J/B, traded it straight up for my 10x fancier coker, technically lost money int he transaction, but im still happy. How does that happen? That J/b cue plays like god, or even better.

Everyday i look forward to using it, when i go to the pool hall, i could just hit a cueball into an object ball for 20 minutes and not care about where the Object ball goes, just paying attention to and enjoying the hit.

$400, or an even trade for a $900 cue, seems fine to me for a cue that plays so well. This is the first time i tried a cue in person before i bought it, the first time ive owned a cue before i knew every detail about it (wood type, joint type, tip type, weight, etc). I hit with it, and just knew it was for me.
 
duke@neo.rr.com said:
tell me...why can this guy charge SO much for his cues? yeah...he makes a nice cue, but so do alot of other cue-makers who don't get as much. even used ones fetch top dollar!
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I believe it is called the free enterprise system. He charges what he wants and people pay for his cues. If people weren't paying his asking price, he would be asking for less.

duke@neo.rr.com said:
but his prices are almost up there with scruggs who's been doing this alot longer. I just can't believe his cues are worth that much.
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Your a little off base here. Per his web site, the starting price for a Tim Scruggs cue is currently $1900.
 
What difference does it make anyway? you'd sell it in a week and then moan about it for two years. If you don't like his prices buy something cheaper and see how it works out. You really do get what you pay for with most of the custom cue makers.

Andy
 
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