Angle of bridged veneer

[Mc2]

That's why i asked the question in the beginning. I was just trying to get an idea of where to start. Getting ready to do some test pieces. Thinking of grinding the miters on a surface grinder to be more accurate. What do you think?

I have been quiet on this subject as I have only done this once. My question is to digdug. How do you think bridged points are done? I am not sure though that this topic belongs here in ask the Q maker. This section was for customers to ask qualified Q makers about Q issues. This topic would require propitiatory information to be reveled.

Jim.

 

[KJ Cues]

I think the same person wrote both of these! Maybe the corn cob fell out in between! I am fine with not just handing people the answers all the time but I do think if someone wants to learn you should provide the tools for them to do so.

This is truly a treasure.
My determination as to what and when to share is up to me, not you.
Forgive me if my responses don't meet your standards.
Did you miss the CAD drawing on the previous page?
You must have if you're suggesting that the OP draw an 'L' on a piece of paper.
How much clearer does it need to be?? You can read a print, right???

I share when I don't feel that I'm 'casting pearls'. This isn't 20 questions.
I can't see where the OP has made any effort at all other than tickling his keyboard.
My first post to the Op's question at the time was appropriate. Do something, make some effort.
You'll be amazed at what you will learn in the process. Sorry but I'm not holding anyone's hand.
Sixteen posts later he's still asking the same level of question and admits that he hasn't started anything yet.

Since you're both in the same state, why don't you trot over there and walk him through the process?
It'll certainly be more exciting and rewarding than passing judgement on me.
Don't forget your spoon.

KJ

 

[BigDon]

I can understand that your upset KJ! If I got caught talking out both sides of my mouth, I would be embarrassed too! Read prints, yes I do it for a living. Get into a pissing match with you, no not needed. I already see what I am working with "pro" cue builder. Just get tired of the sarcastic answers all the time. Would have taken less time to provide him a few clues to let him figure it out than the time it took for your answer. Like you said, I guess he didnt get the cad drawing since he was still asking later. Thats why I was trying to simplify it to something he could maybe understand. This is ask the cuemaker not ask KJ. If you don't like what someone asked, just keep scrolling down to something else. Who are you to decide if he has put enough time or effort into it.

I understand what your saying and actually agree but there is other ways of going about it.

 

[RBC]

This is ask the cuemaker

DigDon,

If I'm not mistaken, and I'm pretty sure I'm not, the Ask the CueMaker section was intended to be a forum where consumers could ask cuemakers questions.

It was supposed to be where the cue buying consumer could ask questions about cue construction pertaining to their likes and dislikes or buying experiences.

Unfortunately, it has turned into a place where those who want to become a cuemaker come to ask, "how do I become a cuemaker?".

There's something about building a cue that everyone seems to want to do. I understand it because I was there. It was 25 years ago, but I was there.

I think KJ was politely trying to tell the original poster that bridged veneers are out there pretty far. Unless you have many other things, like points and veneers, down pretty well, bridged veneers are out of reach. Basically, if a cuemaker goes through the steps to get the basics down pretty well, then he will most likely figure out the answers to these questions before they come up. The OP does not appear, at least not to me, to be familiar with v cut points and veneers. Without that, what is he going to bridge?

As for KJ's later posts about sharing, he was clearly referring to 2 accomplished cuemakers who just helped each other out.

KJ is all for helping anyone, including the OP. The only trouble is telling him how to do bridged veneers isn't going to help him if he won't understand what's being talked about.

You mean well, and so does KJ.

Just my observations

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com

 

[JerseyBill]

Insight

IMO, there is nothing more gratifying and more rewarding than 'finding out for yourself'.
You can ask here and eventually someone will give you a number, but what have you learned???
Not a damn thing other than how to copy. Wouldn't it be nice to know why they are cut at a certain angle??
Or would that be the follow-up question that seeks yet another spoon-fed response?
The problem with spoon-fed responses is that you will eventually become fat and lazy, incapable of any type of innovation.
People have forgotten how to think for themselves; or maybe they never knew how to in the first place.

I like LGSM3's response a lot because it's accurate. The answer you seek is dependent on other factors.
There is no 'one size fits all' answer here. Now it's up to you to figure out why.
You state "Been thinking" & "I thought". Son, you just ain't been thinking enough.
Thinking doesn't hurt and better yet, it's free. Use the gift you were given.

Now you want to know what machine is used to cut said angle.
How's this: what ever machine that gives you the results that are acceptable to you.
I can think of at least a 1/2 doz without breaking a sweat.

Given my response, you may find me to be offensive, rude and discourteous.
I'll lay claim to all of the above but I look at it as 'tough-love'.
I want all my fellow tradesmen to succeed.
Not because they asked the right questions but because they put in the effort.
The drawing-board awaits. Get busy.

KJ

KJ,
I love your answer. I still have trouble doing what you say, but I'm getting better.

 

[snipershot]

Sometimes you just gotta accept that "tough love" that KJ gives you. He has been a total sarcastic smartass to me more than once, but honestly, i deserved it, and in the end, he still put me on the right path and i value his input. Others may disagree, but i enjoy reading KJ's posts, even when he is ranting, lol.

Joe

 

[KJ Cues]

I can understand that your upset KJ! If I got caught talking out both sides of my mouth, I would be embarrassed too! Read prints, yes I do it for a living. Get into a pissing match with you, no not needed. I already see what I am working with "pro" cue builder. Just get tired of the sarcastic answers all the time. Would have taken less time to provide him a few clues to let him figure it out than the time it took for your answer. Like you said, I guess he didnt get the cad drawing since he was still asking later. Thats why I was trying to simplify it to something he could maybe understand. This is ask the cuemaker not ask KJ. If you don't like what someone asked, just keep scrolling down to something else. Who are you to decide if he has put enough time or effort into it.

I understand what your saying and actually agree but there is other ways of going about it.

For the most part, I'm done with this thread. The OP's question has been asked and answered
and there has been valuable information shared, primarily on pg-1.
I've learned from the posts submitted and I think that others have as well.

There are only a couple of points that I would like to address and they pertain to you Big Don.
First-off, if you're going to quote someone, go all the way. The quote is free so why not?
To cherry-pick a sentence here or there and take it out of context to support your position is unethical.
If done with mal-intent particularly, you can twist a person's words to make them say whatever you want.
Fortunately, most readers are savvy to this practice and see right through it.

Another point is that you took the word "Pro" from my avatar to somehow, I don't know, question my credibility maybe?
The word Pro is there for a reason. I am a professional at what I do.
I make the vast majority of my income from building and repairing cues, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.
This is not something I do after my day job as a hobby or for side income. This is my full-time job, literally.
I don't have the luxury of weekends off or even holidays. My occupation, as stated on my tax returns is CUE-MAKER.
If you were using the word to infer that I have an association with Pro players, well, you'd be correct.
I've built many shafts for professional players and perform other services on their cues for them as well.

In two of your posts you state that you agree with me yet you don't agree with my methodology.
Trust me, I don't consider appeasing your sensitivities a priority when drafting a post.
I understand that my style of writing doesn't appeal to everyone. That's not so much a problem for me as it is for them.
I write because I enjoy it. My time on AZ is purely for personal entertainment if you will.
I don't watch TV and I haven't had the time to play in 4 yrs. AZB is my outlet.
I don't answer every post but help when & where I can. If that takes the form of a motivational speech, so be it.
That's my call. If it doesn't sit well with you then as you say, 'scroll-down'.

Sayonara, KJ

PS. Thanx Joe. You're obviously a man of substantial character.
Sometimes you have to get over the barbed-wire fence before you can talk to the horse.

 

[BigDon]

KJ it's all good! The only reason I quoted the "pro" was to show your substantial character. You don't notice any other professional having to state it. You don't have to worry about hurting my feelings but it does look bad on all of us when we have someone that treats others like crap for pure entertainment as you say. It's not his fault you don't have a life! Let's just let it go and have a good day.

 

[97Buick22]

the tool you use to cut the miter is far less signifcant than the fixture you need to hold them square and true. And then of course you have the same dilemna when cutting the cue to accept it

Tap tap tap..... Whenever you try to do something in cuemaking that is new to you there is a learning curve to get over. That means mistakes, try again, and again, and test, and so on.... Even if you knew the angle you would still have your work cut out for you. Lots of mitred veneers and boxes are done in cues, but the quality is all over the map from stunning to real bad. Take your time and make'em the best that you can.

 

[Canadian cue]

A few years ago Bob Dzuricky had a pic on his site which showed how to do bridged veneers, he has since removed the pic. If you PM him he may be inclined to help you out.