Another 8-ball Layout: Where to go?

Jude Rosenstock

Jude Rosenstock

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Okay, I put in a real effort to try and create a very awkward scenario. You're stripes. You have ball-in-hand. The 13-ball does not pass in either the bottom-left corner nor does it pass in the top-right corner. Obviously, you're playing safe but what to do? Do you think you can maintain an advantage once your safety is placed?

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Hey Jude,

I would probably try to play the 11 in behind the 13 and leave the cueball glued to the backside of the 13. This would hopefully leave the 11 in the way of a one-rail kick at the one.
Tough one and you hate to give up the table...but I think this is what I would do.

Regards,
Koop
 
I'm playing under the 13, trying to hit the 11 up table enough that I can have a shot I like if I can't lock up the cue ball well enough on the 13 to get ball in hand again.
 
Shooting from the corner the 8 sits in I''ll try to hit the 11 on the right hand side of the ball...leaving the cb on the middle diamond right behind the stalled 11.

All speed and contact point contingent no doubt,but I'd expect to pull it off most days....esp with the 13 holding the 11 in place.
 
Thunderball said:
Shooting from the corner the 8 sits in I''ll try to hit the 11 on the right hand side of the ball...leaving the cb on the middle diamond right behind the stalled 11.

All speed and contact point contingent no doubt,but I'd expect to pull it off most days....esp with the 13 holding the 11 in place.
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I really like that shot because it not only accomplishes what I wanted to do but it also brings the 13 out for a makeable shot from anywhere on the table.

Thanks,
Koop
 
Thunderball said:
Shooting from the corner the 8 sits in I''ll try to hit the 11 on the right hand side of the ball...leaving the cb on the middle diamond right behind the stalled 11.

All speed and contact point contingent no doubt,but I'd expect to pull it off most days....esp with the 13 holding the 11 in place.
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I like this idea.. either way has issues though. If you play 11 out, leave the cue behind the 13, you end up moving the 11 with no pocket but the bank, unless you can carom it off the 7. If you play 11 - 13 leave the cue locked on the 11, you are moving the 13 to where the 6 is blocking the pocket. You need pretty fine control for that to avoid bumping it up too far, and leaving the cueball hidden, plus hitting a rail. I think Thunderball's method = greater chance of winning but a harder shot.
 
Ball in hand huh? I'd bank the 11 into the side pocket, then make the 13, then the 8. :D

Or do it like Thunderball said if you aint gutsy enough. :rolleyes:
 
Koop said:
I really like that shot because it not only accomplishes what I wanted to do but it also brings the 13 out for a makeable shot from anywhere on the table.

Thanks,
Koop
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Honestly, when I created the diagram, I didn't have an escape in mind. I was just hoping to give people something to think about to pass the day. This one I like but I have another in mind that has pros and cons.

In regards to this one, I like it a lot because it gives you an opportunity to really lock up your opponent. If that cue-ball freezes between the 11 and the rail (and there's a bonafide chance for that), you could conceiveably take away the majority of his kicks. The "con" is that there is a reasonable chance you can still leave a soft-kick on the 6 which would be a fairly effective shot.
 
IA8baller said:
Ball in hand huh? I'd bank the 11 into the side pocket, then make the 13, then the 8. :D

Or do it like Thunderball said if you aint gutsy enough. :rolleyes:
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Honestly, your aggressiveness is not a terrible idea. If you can't come up with something really good defensively, you might have to consider it. Your chances of making the bank and position WITH BIH might only be 30-50% but that might be no better than your chances with most safeties.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Honestly, your aggressiveness is not a terrible idea. If you can't come up with something really good defensively, you might have to consider it. Your chances of making the bank and position WITH BIH might only be 30-50% but that might be no better than your chances with most safeties.
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Either way (offensive or defensive) it's touchy, but sometimes if you get that "gut feeling" that you can make the shot, go for it.
 
Koop said:
Hey Jude,

I would probably try to play the 11 in behind the 13 and leave the cueball glued to the backside of the 13. This would hopefully leave the 11 in the way of a one-rail kick at the one.
Tough one and you hate to give up the table...but I think this is what I would do.

Regards,
Koop
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I would also play the 11 behind the 13, using the rail to get the CB onto the 13, but with a minor difference: I would try to get the 11 far enough over towards the top-right pocket that I could make it from most spots downtable, in case the opponent makes a decent kick.

Upon closer inspections, I don't really like this because the 2-rail kick return has a huge target that plays pretty good for solids. Seeing that, I think it's better to put the cue underneath the 11 and play the 11 to the center of the table to block part of the lane. Something like this (with some left, you could get the 11 a bit more in the way):

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Jude Rosenstock said:
Okay, I put in a real effort to try and create a very awkward scenario. You're stripes. You have ball-in-hand. The 13-ball does not pass in either the bottom-left corner nor does it pass in the top-right corner. Obviously, you're playing safe but what to do? Do you think you can maintain an advantage once your safety is placed?

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I would keep the cue VERY tight on the 13 ball so my opponent could not hit the 6 ball and I would try to leave the 11ball near the side pocket at the top of the diagram in case he gets lucky and makes a legal hit on the three balls at the upper left portion of the diagram. And he would not be able to make a very good hit on the 7 ball either. :)

JoeyA

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Depending how my speed control is that day, I may try the following shot:

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3Aasx3BPhP4...BPhP4CUea3DMmI2FaTR1GYII1Hatf2KTPu2MBEK2PAfd@

It's a touchy safe, but I like the rewards. He can't kick the 6-ball easily; he'd have to go 2-rails with spin and most likely would either fail to contact a rail afterwards, or would sell out a shot on the 11. Meanwhile, the kicks on the 7 and 1 (to pocket either) would require a bridge while jacked up over the 13. In the event that he contacts a ball (perhaps a two-rail Z kick) there's a good chance I'll see my 11 for a runout.

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I'm not sure this is what I'd do nor do I now if it's the best play but I'm toying with the idea of tying up the 6-ball. If I feel I have the speed just right, it should buy me a few more innings.

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StevenPWaldon said:
Depending how my speed control is that day, I may try the following shot:

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3Aasx3BPhP4...BPhP4CUea3DMmI2FaTR1GYII1Hatf2KTPu2MBEK2PAfd@

It's a touchy safe, but I like the rewards. He can't kick the 6-ball easily; he'd have to go 2-rails with spin and most likely would either fail to contact a rail afterwards, or would sell out a shot on the 11. Meanwhile, the kicks on the 7 and 1 (to pocket either) would require a bridge while jacked up over the 13. In the event that he contacts a ball (perhaps a two-rail Z kick) there's a good chance I'll see my 11 for a runout.

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This one was fuggin hard! I would go with the above solution and park whitey between the 13 and the rail.
 
CrownCityCorey said:
This one was fuggin hard! I would go with the above solution and park whitey between the 13 and the rail.
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The problem with this idea is that I believe the rebound angle would look more like this:

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I'm sorry but I did try to take that away when I created the diagram.
 
Jude,I'm lost on playing the six into trouble.

First off it doesn't really make the table better for you,just worse for the op...also it returns bih to the op....one decent break out shot into the three ball stack and it could be lights out depending on how they move.
 
Thunderball said:
Jude,I'm lost on playing the six into trouble.

First off it doesn't really make the table better for you,just worse for the op...also it returns bih to the op....one decent break out shot into the three ball stack and it could be lights out depending on how they move.
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Yeah, that 7 in the side serves as a perfect break ball and you have the 1 down table that you can easily use once you've broken it out. Just a thought.
 
Thunderball said:
Jude,I'm lost on playing the six into trouble.

First off it doesn't really make the table better for you,just worse for the op...also it returns bih to the op....one decent break out shot into the three ball stack and it could be lights out depending on how they move.
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Okay, I like this one A LOT more. Please disregard the lack of perfect placement in my diagram. The point is to show vicinity.

All you have to do is not leave the 7 a pocket and he's got a problem to solve. I'm not saying the table has turned yet but if you're going to intentionally foul, this would be the way to do it.

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