Another CTE question
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I had to re-draw the diagram and make it simpler and accurate.
based on the diagram, Perceptions are the same for each shot especially if you'll opt for a 30 Degree Perception it only varies between sweeps. Regardless if there’s a curtain dividing it into two diagrams it will be the same, the curtain is just an illusion.
Regardless of how many curtains there is, there are factors to be considered:
- 1) A pool player basically knows where the direction of the pocket is, it may not be exact but it goes in the same direction.
- 2) Perception for an object ball will be the same regardless of the degree perception he uses. Why? Because a perception is bound by the actual physicality of the table and the balls in it.
Of course the same goes for Right Upper Corner.
Again please note:
Perception is the same, while the physicality of each are different. For example the Center to Edge Line of all three/four shots is perfectly Center Cue Ball to Object Ball Edge if you’ll rely on your visuals, but once you get down to the shot with or without pivot that actual Center of the Cue Ball is pointed NOT exactly as what you have perceive. Well may one of may be perfectly the same.
Sorry my English is limited but once you watch Stan’s DVD and reach to chapter 12, you’ll understand what I’m saying.
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believe me once you've watched it.. it will enlighten you about perceptions and it's information is clear as daylight
All the shots have the same visual here. The top one is getting close to becoming 30 degree perception left sweep but it is still a 15 degree perception.
All 3 shots are identical.
Here is a clip I did a while a go to illustrate this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98fKl1W-7GE&list=UU8rNnGNPTLwihnszKS4Zg2g
Here is Stan explaining it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Psy5hOJT0
Gerry
All 3 shots are identical.
Here is a clip I did a while a go to illustrate this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98fKl1W-7GE&list=UU8rNnGNPTLwihnszKS4Zg2g
Here is Stan explaining it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Psy5hOJT0
Gerry
Oh I see so the top (1 ball) can also be pocketed by a 15 Degree Perception...
well all in all it only proves that the answer to swest question is "NO CHANGE or SIMILAR"
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During one practice session of 14.1, I was concentrating on safety play. I put myself in the position in the pics below.
Safety play in 14.1 is not the same is in the other games since any basic rule is any ball in in pocket. What this means is that if you do not for sure have a make able shot, play safe leaving no shot for your opponent. Cause if you do, you could be sitting in the chair for a bit.
The nature of the leave required a safety shot, meaning I was not going for a pocket, but going for ball placement on the table.
Standing back from the table, I could see all pockets, the whole table. As I moved into shooting position, my field of view was limited. I could not longer see the pockets or the rails of the table.
However, I still had my position and the spot on the table to give me enough the know where the balls were on table when my field of view was looking down at the CB and not like it being higher from standing up and back.
It seems the discussion has been more focus on pocketing balls, but ball placement that is required in safety play is never mentioned.
Or going two rails with the CB to hit a OB, which is required at times during a safety battle in 9 ball. When you do this, can you show me the spot on the rail where the CB will hit without
Can anyone tell me accurately what those cut angles are in those previously posted pics, and not guess what they are? You can say what you think they are, which is not the same as what they truly are. Therefore ones perception is not the same as anothers.
I have never had the need to know the degree of the shot. Why, cause using contact patch principle of ghost ball, all shots are straight and the angle does matter for aiming. It does matter for stroking cause the angle does affect energy transfer from the CB to OB which influence my stroke.
If there is no math behind CTE, how can the table dimensions and the angle of a shot be used in describing how to use it?
Enjoy
Safety play in 14.1 is not the same is in the other games since any basic rule is any ball in in pocket. What this means is that if you do not for sure have a make able shot, play safe leaving no shot for your opponent. Cause if you do, you could be sitting in the chair for a bit.
The nature of the leave required a safety shot, meaning I was not going for a pocket, but going for ball placement on the table.
Standing back from the table, I could see all pockets, the whole table. As I moved into shooting position, my field of view was limited. I could not longer see the pockets or the rails of the table.
However, I still had my position and the spot on the table to give me enough the know where the balls were on table when my field of view was looking down at the CB and not like it being higher from standing up and back.
It seems the discussion has been more focus on pocketing balls, but ball placement that is required in safety play is never mentioned.
Or going two rails with the CB to hit a OB, which is required at times during a safety battle in 9 ball. When you do this, can you show me the spot on the rail where the CB will hit without
Can anyone tell me accurately what those cut angles are in those previously posted pics, and not guess what they are? You can say what you think they are, which is not the same as what they truly are. Therefore ones perception is not the same as anothers.
I have never had the need to know the degree of the shot. Why, cause using contact patch principle of ghost ball, all shots are straight and the angle does matter for aiming. It does matter for stroking cause the angle does affect energy transfer from the CB to OB which influence my stroke.
If there is no math behind CTE, how can the table dimensions and the angle of a shot be used in describing how to use it?
Enjoy
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I said I did the same routine on all....I came up with the same shot on all.You came with 5 different shot lines.(doing the same routine )One is a 3/4...two ..inside the 1/2 ball...3..1/2 ball ..4 just outside the 1/2 ball...5 just inside the 1/4 hit..and these will change ..depends on how you hit them. 5 different shot lines with the same exact routine. I was being honest with what I said...You again insult me.
Mr Shuffett,my whole argument was never Meant to insult you,(to find truth) but you Sir have no problem throwing out your insults as you see needed.
Maybe there's a reason for all the question's....
I said I did the same routine on all....I came up with the same shot on all.You came with 5 different shot lines.(doing the same routine )One is a 3/4...two ..inside the 1/2 ball...3..1/2 ball ..4 just outside the 1/2 ball...5 just inside the 1/4 hit..and these will change ..depends on how you hit them. 5 different shot lines with the same exact routine. I was being honest with what I said...You again insult me.
Mr Shuffett,my whole argument was never Meant to insult you,(to find truth) but you Sir have no problem throwing out your insults as you see needed.
Maybe there's a reason for all the question's....
You obviously do NOT know or understand real CTE. It is about the visuals. Regardless of your routine you MUST learn the visuals. In all likelihood you are using your eyes in the same manner as you always have. Let go of that and allow your eyes to go into another dimension of seeing. It is not difficult but it does take motivation and some work at the table.
You, SIR, have been cutting on my work for what seems like forever. You have zero intentions of wanting to use CTE in a correct way. It is CUT CUT CUT.
All of the realness of CTE will come forth in due time and then we will see what your story is then. The day is coming for those that constantly, relentlessly try and take what I have presented down.....not gonna happen, though.
Stan Shuffett
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Are you trying to insult again...The only person I represent is me.
See and shoot.....the approach is far from that.(maybe it becomes this way)You keep talking like people wanna see you fail,that's not the case at all .I do understand why you feel this way. I think people just want something that is easy and easily explained.
Duckie, you once again made it very clear that you have no understanding of the system. The 15, 30,and 45 degree perceptions are perceptions, not angles of the ball to the pocket. At least watch some of Stan's free videos before saying something doesn't work, It only make you look like a doofus.
Second, in your diagram, the 4 ball is an easy shot to the side. Not very safe place to put the cb.:wink:
Second, in your diagram, the 4 ball is an easy shot to the side. Not very safe place to put the cb.:wink:
Are you trying to insult again...The only person I represent is me.
See and shoot.....the approach is far from that.(maybe it becomes this way)You keep talking like people wanna see you fail,that's not the case at all .I do understand why you feel this way. I think people just want something that is easy and easily explained.
No insults! I am calling it as it is!!
CTE PRO ONE is as easy as it gets. All one needs to do is to have faith and commit to visual work at the table whether it seems easy at first or not.
Anyone can make CTE PRO ONE the last overall system they will ever need for playing the game. My advice is to save time and major frustrations by making the first system you learn your last one. Why spin wheels....a little work with CTE PRO ONE .....and a professional approach to playing will SOON emerge.
Stan Shuffett
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Let me throw a nugget of information out there that might help people figure out how to sweep. As Stan has stated, this is a visual system, the eyes lead and the body follows.
Now, it has been understood that the sweeps are all the same. Meaning, they are always a 1/2 tip away from the shot line. That said, it is important to emphasize that visually they are the same, but physically they can differ. :idea2:
So what this means: when you are working on sweeps, don't focus on the physical motion of the sweep. Instead, focus on the center of the cue ball, and where the tip needs to end up for the given sweep. It is a natural movement. For left sweeps your eyes go left. For right sweeps your eyes go right. As you move in your cue stick will slightly pivot around the core of the cue ball and point straight through the core. CCB is the target!
Once you practice this way, the sweeps quickly become automatic, as the eyes do all the work and the body/cue just falls into position.
Now, it has been understood that the sweeps are all the same. Meaning, they are always a 1/2 tip away from the shot line. That said, it is important to emphasize that visually they are the same, but physically they can differ. :idea2:
So what this means: when you are working on sweeps, don't focus on the physical motion of the sweep. Instead, focus on the center of the cue ball, and where the tip needs to end up for the given sweep. It is a natural movement. For left sweeps your eyes go left. For right sweeps your eyes go right. As you move in your cue stick will slightly pivot around the core of the cue ball and point straight through the core. CCB is the target!
Once you practice this way, the sweeps quickly become automatic, as the eyes do all the work and the body/cue just falls into position.
I want to add one small thing. When I say your cue stick will pivot around the core of the cueball, that isn't necessarily a physical motion. You can leave your cue stick completely out of the way until your eyes are down on the shot, then bring the cue stick in from the side and place it squarely on CCB. As your eyes move left or right, it is the same as a small rotation around CB core visually.
Most will probably start the movement of the cue stick as the eyes are still coming in, that is fine too. What matters is the final placement. With this information you can probably see that bridge placement has little to do with CTE sweep, you can place your bridge hand wherever comfortable/appropriate for the given shot.
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