another whats wrong with pool thread

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personally i don't think there is anything wrong with pool today. there is however a certain group of pool enthusiasts whose mindset casts a shadow over the reputation of all pool players in general.

this certain group is always lamenting over " in their eyes" the demise of pool in the near future. they always complain that something should be done. yet when someone comes along with a new idea these same people are the 1st to start spewing negative remarks before this idea ever gets a chance to get started.

these same people lament the lack of new blood in our sport yet when we have an organization come along who is heavily involved in jr leagues . this same organization hires several pros and some up and coming players this same group never takes notice until.... this organization makes a statement that one of their contracted players is not allowed to play in a certain match.

this same group then starts spewing negative remarks, false accusations and even wanting to boycott this organizations business.

this same group laments that no one is supporting the pros. yet when you get an organization that is doing exactly that starts bashing that organization for holding their player to his contract.

when this player agrees to the terms of his contract you have this same group resoert to calling him a puppet and a mama's boy. you have this same group man up and disregard the rules of his employer.

this same group laments the lack of pro participation on this forum but yet when one does post everyone questions every move that pro makes.in other words they try to micro manage that persons life style for them.

in my opinion if you are part of this group you are probably whats wrong with pool today.

LET THE FLAMING BEGIN !! :thumbup:
 
I think there's a diviersity of opinions on what people want pool to be today and evolve into tomorrow.

Since there is no *real* tour for the pros, it does hinder professional pool in America from advancing. What's worse, the number of events pros are welcome at can be counted on one hand for 2014. :frown:

Thinking about what is the current state of pool, at least in America, one must decide: Is it a game, or is it a sport?

With league play in full swing, it would seem the majority of people believe pool is a recreational game. They could care less about it being a comeptitive sport, like darts, bowling, or other like-related sports categories. :smile:

Then there's a whole culture of action enthusiasts. I think they could care less whether pool is a sport or a game, as long as they can bet it and sweat it. :grin:

There is a subculture in American pool that desires pool to be more like the '50s era, having players dress up in formal attire, a gentleman's game with no gambling, to be played in a quiet church-like setting.

Pool is in a fragmented state right now. There are some industry members trying to make things happen, but their audience base is limited to one of the above-referenced subcultures in the existing pool world today, And then there is a large base of pool players who don't care about what's wrong with pool. They just want to play the game and have fun. In the end, I think I fall in that category. I want to enjoy pool again, much like I did years ago, before I was aware of how difficult the pool political machine really is. :o
 
Restricting my post to America, there is much wrong with pool.

The health of the pro game is very poor, to the point that we've seen some prominent players retire from the pro ranks. There is in-fighting among the pros and a higher level of distrust between the pros and promoters than ever before, sadly evidenced by the awful turnout at the 2013 US Open that came in the wake of the 2012 US Open "failure to pay" fiasco. The top promoters are eliminating events because pros whose loyalties lie elsewhere haven't shown up in the usual numbers.

On the amateur side, the leagues are doing OK, but poolrooms are closing at an alarming rate.

An unhealthy pro game and the gradual disappearance of poolrooms in America mean that something is wrong with pool in America. So many on this forum are doing their part to keep supporting the sport, but ignoring that something is wrong with pool is to accept its sad decline.

What's the fix? We all have different opinions on that, and that's healthy. I've learned so much on this forum from those who don't see things my way.
 
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sjm said:
Restricting my post to America, there is much wrong with pool.

The health of the pro game is very poor, to the point that we've seen some prominent players retire from the pro ranks. There is in-fighting among the pros and a higher level of distrust between the pros and promoters than ever before, sadly evidenced by the awful turnout at the 2013 US Open that came in the wake of the 2012 US Open "failure to pay" fiasco. The top promoters are eliminating events because pros whose loyalties lie elsewhere haven't shown up in the usual numbers.

On the amateur side, the leagues are doing OK, but poolrooms are closing at an alarming rate.

An unhealthy pro game and the gradual disappearance of poolrooms in America mean that something is wrong with pool in America. So many on this forum are doing their part to keep supporting the sport, but ignoring that something is wrong with pool is to accept its sad decline.

What's the fix? We all have different opinions on that, and that's healthy. I've learned so much on this forum from those who don't see things my way.
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A resounding tap, tap, tap. Extremely well put!
 
Amateur Status is the way to go....

There is nothing wrong with pool today. If you think you are a pro, you need to get rid of that label. Yes...it is only a label. You need to be called an amateur.

Stop using your real name. Wear a wig and change your appearance. Hustling is not dead. Pool is still an art form if you miss a few balls really close. Get bad position and take a wack at balls. Hit balls hard and have some fun. Not everyone knows what a pro looks like. Heck, the people I play pool with don't even know what AZBilliards is.

Lots of tournaments for amateurs. Some people are trying their best to keep their amateur status.

If you think you are a pro, stop being so greedy and play in smaller events. $1,000 for first is good money.

Buy a vehicle that gets 50 miles per gallon.

Visit a food bank once a month.

So get rid of that label and start doing some real work as a pool player.

Make sure you wear a good pair of track shoes so you can run fast and don't shoot with an expensive cue because you might have to leave it behind.

November is loaded with tournaments. Amateur Open, Southern Something, Valley Forge, Williamsport PA, and the National Team Open in Ohio.

So, stop being so greedy and become an amateur again and stop winning every tournament you play in. People always remember the winner, but never remember who came in second.:smile:

With pool rooms closing, it cost too much to just have pool tables. You need great food, lottery machine, and ladies hanging out willing to learn. Free lessons for kids 13 and youger and tournaments for kids on Saturday mornings. Give out ribbons or a small trophy to the winners or top 3.

For food you need the best french fries, hoagies, cheese steaks, pizza and a few other things.:p


Okay...you are all right. Pro pool in America has died...but the amateur is thriving.:thumbup:



I still have pool cues for sale and cats are free.
 
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JAM said:
I think there's a diviersity of opinions on what people want pool to be today and evolve into tomorrow.

Since there is no *real* tour for the pros, it does hinder professional pool in America from advancing. What's worse, the number of events pros are welcome at can be counted on one hand for 2014. :frown:

Thinking about what is the current state of pool, at least in America, one must decide: Is it a game, or is it a sport?

With league play in full swing, it would seem the majority of people believe pool is a recreational game. They could care less about it being a comeptitive sport, like darts, bowling, or other like-related sports categories. :smile:

Then there's a whole culture of action enthusiasts. I think they could care less whether pool is a sport or a game, as long as they can bet it and sweat it. :grin:

There is a subculture in American pool that desires pool to be more like the '50s era, having players dress up in formal attire, a gentleman's game with no gambling, to be played in a quiet church-like setting.

Pool is in a fragmented state right now. There are some industry members trying to make things happen, but their audience base is limited to one of the above-referenced subcultures in the existing pool world today, And then there is a large base of pool players who don't care about what's wrong with pool. They just want to play the game and have fun. In the end, I think I fall in that category. I want to enjoy pool again, much like I did years ago, before I was aware of how difficult the pool political machine really is. :o
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you pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post jam. i guess i was pretty blunt with my post mentioning one of those sub cultures in particular. :D
 
sjm said:
Restricting my post to America, there is much wrong with pool.

The health of the pro game is very poor, to the point that we've seen some prominent players retire from the pro ranks. There is in-fighting among the pros and a higher level of distrust between the pros and promoters than ever before, sadly evidenced by the awful turnout at the 2013 US Open that came in the wake of the 2012 US Open "failure to pay" fiasco. The top promoters are eliminating events because pros whose loyalties lie elsewhere haven't shown up in the usual numbers.

On the amateur side, the leagues are doing OK, but poolrooms are closing at an alarming rate.

An unhealthy pro game and the gradual disappearance of poolrooms in America mean that something is wrong with pool in America. So many on this forum are doing their part to keep supporting the sport, but ignoring that something is wrong with pool is to accept its sad decline.

What's the fix? We all have different opinions on that, and that's healthy. I've learned so much on this forum from those who don't see things my way.
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the biggest problem i see is every body has a " whats in it for me attitude ". but i guess that describes society as a whole today.
 
poolguy4u said:
There is nothing wrong with pool today. If you think you are a pro, you need to get rid of that label. Yes...it is only a label. You need to be called an amateur.

Stop using your real name. Wear a wig and change your appearance. Hustling is not dead. Pool is still an art form if you miss a few balls really close. Get bad position and take a wack at balls. Hit balls hard and have some fun. Not everyone knows what a pro looks like. Heck, the people I play pool with don't even know what AZBilliards is.

Lots of tournaments for amateurs. Some people are trying their best to keep their amateur status.

If you think you are a pro, stop being so greedy and play in smaller events. $1,000 for first is good money.

Buy a vehicle that gets 50 miles per gallon.

Visit a food bank once a month.

So get rid of that label and start doing some real work as a pool player.

Make sure you wear a good pair of track shoes so you can run fast and don't shoot with an expensive cue because you might have to leave it behind.

November is loaded with tournaments. Amateur Open, Southern Something, Valley Forge, Williamsport PA, and the National Team Open in Ohio.

So, stop being so greedy and become an amateur again and stop winning every tournament you play in. People always remember the winner, but never remember who came in second.:smile:

With pool rooms closing, it cost too much to just have pool tables. You need great food, lottery machine, and ladies hanging out willing to learn. Free lessons for kids 13 and youger and tournaments for kids on Saturday mornings. Give out ribbons or a small trophy to the winners or top 3.

For food you need the best french fries, hoagies, cheese steaks, pizza and a few other things.:p


Okay...you are all right. Pro pool in America has died...but the amateur is thriving.:thumbup:



I still have pool cues for sale and cats are free.
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i like your post. a wry sense of humor with a ring of truth .:thumbup:
 
The dust is merely settling at the moment. Like a new galaxy waiting to form a new sun, planets, and moons. Once things have "solidified" pool will be out of this world.

Just play your games to the best of your ability, have fun, and play by the rules.
 
I think most of the people who are big in the Pool World only care about being a BIG FISH in their Litte Pond, and would not work with another BIG Fish who controls their own little pond, for the good of POOL. All Pool in one pond wit a group of people ruling the pond. The way other sport have grown using NASCAR, THE NBA, NFL, etc as an exaple. NASCAR is Motor Sports. NFL is football, NBA is BASKETBALL.
 
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Easy Fix...,

Its the money! If there was a $100K added Pro event every month in Pool the game would be fine. If the Pro's could make living from playing the game, things would change.

Look at bowling, its on TV, it pays well, it is played at every level Pro to non-pro and its stable.

First you get the money, then you get the power!
 
King T said:
Its the money! If there was a $100K added Pro event every month in Pool the game would be fine. If the Pro's could make living from playing the game, things would change.

Look at bowling, its on TV, it pays well, it is played at every level Pro to non-pro and its stable.

First you get the money, then you get the power!
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The IPT had money, and it didn't work. Bonus Ball had money for a short time, and it didn't seem to work.

That said, I will be interested to learn more about Mike Sigel's Global Pool Player League with $1 million guarnateed, $250,000 first place. :)
 
The game aint broke..., well?

The IPT..., not sure the IPT had money, the guy who ran it had money and he didn't have a love for pool or he would still be promoting the game, his money didn't run out, he did?

Bonus Ball is not the game to change improve the game of Pool. I like bonus ball, if the over all game of pool was healthy bonus ball might take off, but the traditional games, the core games need to work because that's where the heart of the players are?
 
when people go from praising john to saying he sold his testicles for a few entry fees just further proves my point about whats wrong with pool.
 
Earlier on.. I hit some balls.. Won a few.. Lost a few..

Had a good time.. Got a little drunk...

Next week, I'll do the same...

Someone or other at the top end of the game with three initials or a Yorkshire accent or a funny cue action earns either £100 a week or £100,000 a week... That'll make no difference to my end of the game..

Grow up...
 
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